D.C. opens to gun business; Gura lawsuit dismissed


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usmarine0352_2005
July 20, 2011, 06:49 PM
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Gura said he is appealing the dismissal.




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D.C. police opens to gun business; Suit dismissed

Wednesday - 7/20/2011, 5:07pm ET


WASHINGTON -- The Metropolitan Police Department has opened up its doors to a gun dealer whose business, cleared by the D.C. Zoning Commission, will lift the de facto ban on District residents purchasing handguns.

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zoom6zoom
July 20, 2011, 06:55 PM
But he said there is not an "overwhelming demand" for firearms in the District, which would allow multiple gun dealers to make a living.
What concern of the city is that? You open a business, it succeeds or not. I don't see them concerned because there are too many bodegas and they can't all make a decent income.

Larry E
July 20, 2011, 07:18 PM
Maybe I'm just not very bright, but if the dealer can obtain an FFL, and the necessary business licenses, which I'm sure there are plenty of in DC, why does he have to set up his "business" in the PD?

What a dungheap of a city is all I can say.

Cop Bob
July 20, 2011, 07:29 PM
I love it when a liberal cause gets slapped by the courts...

It's not about the guns, it's about control....

Your right, it is not the city's business... and I Guarantee you, that when the stores do open up, business will be brisk..

AKElroy
July 20, 2011, 07:50 PM
But he said there is not an "overwhelming demand" for firearms in the District, which would allow multiple gun dealers to make a living.

What a joke! No demand after a 40 year drought in the highest crime disctrict in the country? This shop-owner better invest in a good financial planner; he's about to have more money than the Fed.

El Mariachi
July 20, 2011, 08:26 PM
This is most f-tastic news. I can now see almost all of Free America from my ********** porch......

mgkdrgn
July 21, 2011, 09:51 AM
I love it when a liberal cause gets slapped by the courts...

It's not about the guns, it's about control....

Your right, it is not the city's business... and I Guarantee you, that when the stores do open up, business will be brisk..
It will be a cold day in Hades before you see a "gun store" in the District of Columbia. The city council has stated this very clearly on multiple occasions. This fellow is a transfer agent only ... and only got his FFL because he was only doing transfers to LEO's. After it became legal to own a handgun in DC he (reluctantly) agreed to do transfers for the general public. THAT is when his lease problems began (this is the 2nd time in two years he has had "lease issues").

JohnBT
July 21, 2011, 10:19 AM
"Maybe I'm just not very bright, but if the dealer can obtain an FFL, and the necessary business licenses, which I'm sure there are plenty of in DC, why does he have to set up his "business" in the PD? "

The short version according to what I've read in the Washington Post is that D.C. has so many zoning restrictions on where a gun store can open that the guy can't find a legal location.

D.C. zoning laws treat gun stores about like strip clubs. :)

They have to be downtown and at least 600 feet from the nearest home, church, school, library or playground.

happygeek
July 21, 2011, 11:31 AM
Josh Sugermann has a FFL in DC with the VPC's office as the address.

Bubbles
July 21, 2011, 11:33 AM
Josh Sugermann has a FFL in DC with the VPC's office as the address.
Good luck getting him to do a transfer.
That said, perhaps someone should try to rent space in the same building and get an FFL... ;)

JohnBT
July 21, 2011, 01:13 PM
"at least 600 feet from the nearest home, church, school, library or playground." - me

WRONG. So I'm sitting at my desk eating a sandwich looking at the Post.

It's 300 feet.

And the D.C. police say they need an exemption from the city regulation because their headquarters building that they want to let the gun dealer use is too close to a church.

:banghead:

CoRoMo
July 21, 2011, 02:17 PM
That is progress.
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I love it...
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This is most f-tastic news.
Either I'm on the wrong forum, or I have a hard time understanding the good part here. So we had the best 2nd Amendment lawyer in our nation, challenging the prohibition of interstate handgun sales, the lawsuit gets dismissed, and we are glad to see it go away?

We might simply disagree, but I for one, wanted Gura to take down this part of federal law. If he can't challenge it in court, it's here to stay. No buying handguns across state lines for you.

But if the failure to strike this prohibition, is wonderful to you, are you then against his appeal of the dismissal? He obviously wants to fight this fight regardless. Does his appeal upset you then?

:confused:

This is like going out to mow the lawn, but there is no gas in the mower. The task falls through because the means is lacking an integral component. It might relieve you to find that this work won't take place today, but the lawn still needs to be mowed.

This law still needs to be challenged. How ever will it be now? I certainly hope his appeal is given attention. YMMV

usmarine0352_2005
July 21, 2011, 05:43 PM
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I wonder what Gura's chances of appealing the dismissal are?

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dec41971
July 21, 2011, 09:32 PM
So these idiots think illegal guns are bought at FFL shop. They also assume criminals do get a lot of guns from the FFL. How else would you explain their insistence on opening a store in a police station? Eh intimidate potential buys perhaps? They will suddenly feel like they are doing something bad and will stay away. :evil:

Also isn't this just like the way they intimidate ignorant voters to stay away from polling stations? Have you seen the lawsuits and the tactics that are used? Now since the DC public is generally very misinformed about their rights due to debilitating clampdown over many many years, they will easily be intimidated.

I have to admit that even as informed as I might seem, the tactic might deter me to some extent. Lets just think about whats going on here. Do they have cameras recording everyone who walks into the station? Do they have a list of everyone who shops there? Are they going to publish your name in a CCW list like some places do? I don't doubt that for one second. Its DC. :eek:

Bubbles
July 21, 2011, 09:55 PM
This law still needs to be challenged. How ever will it be now?
There are other avenues. Restraint of trade, government-enforced monopoly...

jbrown50
July 21, 2011, 10:22 PM
Exactly CoRoMo.

The interstate handgun sales ban is a stupid law, rendered even more ridiculous by the anti's very own Brady background check system.

This was DC's way of circumventing the lawsuit, that's all.

These all amount to stall tactics with the goal of waiting it out until the makeup of the US Supreme Court changes.

CoRoMo
July 22, 2011, 12:19 PM
I agree. DC burned cash the last time Gura took them to court, so they just yielded on this one. Don't get me wrong, when your opponent yields, it's a win. But Gura wasn't going after DC. He was using DC to go after the federal government. Now that DC surrendered, the fed still stands strong.

Yes, hopefully there is another avenue.

jbrown50
July 22, 2011, 04:45 PM
The current Mayor of DC, Vincent Gray, is so staunchly anti-2A that he makes the previous Mayor, Fenty, look like a candidate for NRA spokesman.

You can bet that Gray, allowing an FFL to set up office in the headquarters building, has more to do with an overall strategy than him simply wanting to comply with the Heller ruling.

There's no mistake about it. They're very well aware of our strategy to dismantle GCA '68.

mgkdrgn
July 22, 2011, 08:44 PM
Josh Sugermann has a FFL in DC with the VPC's office as the address.
He use to ... but I don't believe he does anymore, as he is not "in the business". He got it years ago to prove how easy it was to get. However, even then you had to say you were "in the business" of buying/selling guns, so he perjured himself to get the FFL.

Will he be prosecuted? H3ll no.

mgkdrgn
July 22, 2011, 08:45 PM
"Maybe I'm just not very bright, but if the dealer can obtain an FFL, and the necessary business licenses, which I'm sure there are plenty of in DC, why does he have to set up his "business" in the PD? "

The short version according to what I've read in the Washington Post is that D.C. has so many zoning restrictions on where a gun store can open that the guy can't find a legal location.

D.C. zoning laws treat gun stores about like strip clubs. :)

They have to be downtown and at least 600 feet from the nearest home, church, school, library or playground.
And approved by the city councilmen ... which have made it quite clear they will never do.

MikeNice
July 23, 2011, 05:18 AM
I have to admit that even as informed as I might seem, the tactic might deter me to some extent.

In NC you currently have to get a purchase permit from the Sheriff of your county to buy a handgun. The other option is to take the CCH class and file for a permit with your Sheriff. We still have hundreds of thousands of legal handgun owners.

The DC set up is bogus. I don't think it will significantly dampen the rate of transfers though.

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