Sub 22 caliber rifles


January 20, 2004, 11:57 AM
I recently got my hands on Vols 1&2 of PO Ackley's Handbook for shooters and reloaders (or something to that effect). The really small caliber wildcats have piqued my interest. However, where does one find a .14 or .17 barrel? With the .17 Remington and .17 Rimfire, .17 barrels shouldn't be tough, but I've never seen a .14 even in air rifles. How does one go about building a rifle for the .14-221 Walker for example? When you get below .17, where do you find bullets?

BTW, the .14-221 Walker is a 221 Fireball necked down to .14.


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January 20, 2004, 12:21 PM
Eventually, I hope to neck a 30mm cartridge down to the size of a photon, and shoot it down a sub-photon sized barrel. Seeing as how a photon is about 500 nanometers in size, all I have to do is find a way to make a 490nm sized rifled hole.:D Do they sell photons in reloading stores?

Eat photons!!!:p

January 20, 2004, 12:29 PM



AJ Dual
January 20, 2004, 12:32 PM
Photons? To collect some photons, just lay some tape sticky side up in a sunny window for a few seconds. You'll have a couple of billion, which ought to be a lifetime supply. Duh.... :rolleyes:


I'd suspect that sub-.17 barrels are custom items. Although I suspect that if the popularity of the .17 HMR stays the course, you'll see a resurgence in centerfire .17 loadings.

Brian Williams
January 20, 2004, 12:36 PM
look here

January 20, 2004, 12:42 PM
The trouble with the tape idea is that the tackiness of the glue molecules is insufficent to trap them, because they can go inbetween the molecules. We also have no idea what the viscosity and friction coefficient of a photon is. Therefore, we cannot know if the photons will adhere to a peice of duct tape.

It also means I havent a friggin clue how to keep that little photon in the necked-down case. It is a fine day....FOR SCIENCE!!!:D

January 20, 2004, 07:47 PM
There is an article in the 1988 Guns Illustrated annual entitled "Fourteen Fever" written by Helmut Sakschek that explores that question. He builds a .14 caliber rifle using a .222 cartridge necked down to .14 using a Winchester model 70 action. He claims 4500 fps using an 11.4 gr bullet.
You might look for a copy of that annual. I don't have a scanner or I would copy the article and E-mail it.

January 20, 2004, 11:37 PM
Over at rimfire central there were a couple of posts about some .11 and .14 barrels I think.

Rimfire Central (

January 21, 2004, 08:45 AM
If you are looking for centerfire, this is the one I'd get if I was ready for a sub-.22 varmint gun:

"19-233 CALHOON®

Simply run a 223 case through the Bonanza "BR" reloading dies (provided in the Re-Barrel Kit) and you have the 19-223 CALHOON, or simply order preformed cases from James Calhoon! A case with the capacity of a 222 Mag and the velocity of a 220 Swift. Fast, economical and fun to shoot!

James Calhoon 19 caliber bullets come in a broad weight selection (32, 36, 40, & 44 grains), all big enough for a man to get a grip on. The case mouth is big enough to get powder into.

James Calhoon Re-Barrel Kits will fit any 3/8" bolt face action (17 REM, 221, 222, 223, 222 Mag) and contain a bunch of goodies at about half the price of a new rifle. The 19-223 Re-Barrel Kit contains: a match grade barrel, your choice of chrome moly or stainless steel, which has been contoured and chambered (requires only threading by gunsmith); two 19 caliber Dewey bore brushes; a set of top quality Bonanza "BR" loading dies; 250 custom 19 caliber James Calhoon bullets; complete instructions and load data.

Expect velocities of: 4050 ft/sec - 32gr bullet
3850 ft/sec - 36gr bullet
3750 ft/sec - 40gr bullet
3650 ft/sec - 44gr bullet "

:evil: sweeeeeet!

January 21, 2004, 10:00 AM
That's a neat site. The conversion kits are cheaper than I expected too.

Edit: Looky what I found,

Mopar, I think we're getting closer to your proton shooter. :D


January 21, 2004, 10:28 AM

Too cool! It might be a bit small for Elk but as far as I know, hunting grasshoppers is completely legal here in Michigan:D :p :D
I'd love to see the data on that little bugger.

Carlos Cabeza
January 21, 2004, 11:04 AM
:p That one on the right must be the "magnum" !:D

Max Velocity
November 24, 2006, 11:10 AM
Pac-Nor offers barrels in .14 caliber

November 24, 2006, 11:28 PM
well , the absolute best sub 22 cal is the 19. this was the origional choice for the military , until the ar15 came under 223. mostly, besides , side deals , and a$% kissing, the 223 was chosen because of the size of the cleaning rod. the smaller cals bent or broke rods too easy. I have seen a 14.223 wildcat, at a gunshow about 1 yr. ago, it is totally a custom job. go here to check on the 19's.

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