Front Sight Phone calls


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tntwatt
July 22, 2011, 11:37 AM
Somehow FrontSite has gotten hold of my home phone number. Their automated sales system has called my house at least 10 times...

At the end it says press "3" to be removed. I have pressed "3" and it still keeps calling me.....fed up with them....

I WILL NEVER USE FRONTSITE BECAUSE THEY ARE SO DESPERATE THAT THEY HAVE TO HARASS PEOPLE JUST TO GET CLIENTS.......GOD I AM SICK OF THEM..

rant complete

:banghead::cuss::fire::mad::barf:

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Apex29
July 22, 2011, 11:52 AM
Put 'em on the do not call list then report 'em to the feds.

If that doesn't work then get caller ID?

Gottahaveone
July 22, 2011, 02:54 PM
Here you go. Call ALL the numbers listed, including the pro shop and also fax and email them until they get the message and remove your number from their system. The trick is to annoy them more than they are annoying you ;)



Front Sight Firearms Training Institute

Corporate Headquarters:

7975 Cameron Drive, #900
Windsor, CA 95492

Phone (inside the US): 1.800.987.7719
Phone (international): 1.707.837.0131
Fax: 1.707.837.0694
Email: info@frontsight.com


Employment:

Fax: 1.707.837.0694
Email: info@frontsight.com


Front Sight Pro Shop:

Renting firearms or purchasing ammo for a Front Sight course can be done at the Front Sight Pro Shop Website.

#1 Front Sight Road
Pahrump, NV 89048

Phone: 1.702.837.7433
Website: www.FrontSightProShop.com

El Mariachi
July 22, 2011, 03:04 PM
Mabe you need to do one of these....



http://www.reversechargecalls.com/uncategorized/tom-mabe-reverse-prank-calls-on-telemarketers-so-funny

45crittergitter
August 1, 2011, 09:15 PM
I just emailed them my number (which they had anyway) and asked to be removed from their list. They emailed back and said I was removed. So far, no more calls.

84B20
August 2, 2011, 02:49 PM
I really don't know why so many people are so bothered by the calls or emails. All you need to do is ignore the calls or just hang up. And as far as the emails, have you not learned about the delete key? I for one am not bothered by either. As a matter of fact it was because of the calls I was able to get three certificates for a total of $138 which provided me two 4 day handgun and one two day rifle courses. Maybe it is because I have taken courses at Front Sight and know first hand how great the training is. My wife even attended a course with me and even though she is not as enthusiastic a firearm owner as I she admits the course taught her a lot. We both have lifetime memberships now.

Sheepdog1968
August 2, 2011, 04:37 PM
I get the emails but stopped the auto-calls. I just pressed the number like they said during the live phone call (not a voicemail of it) and they stopped.

blackDdefense
August 2, 2011, 04:39 PM
just pressed "3" last thursday and haven't had one since.

JFtheGR8
August 2, 2011, 04:51 PM
This post should get you a warning like one that I got a few days ago. You need to mention a gun somewhere in it or it is not firearms related. Just look at the one about some Monster Hunter book that is going on right now. Although that post is not about firearms it exists because the op mentions guns somewhere in it. I would say edit it before a moderator reads it.

Shadow 7D
August 2, 2011, 05:00 PM
Call the business office, and tell them you would like your 10K in a single wire transfer, then explain to them what harassment of a 'DO NOT CALL' registered number gets them, INVESTIGATED, and fined.

OH and please report them.
https://complaints.donotcall.gov/complaint/complaintcheck.aspx?panel=2

forgetitohio
August 2, 2011, 05:09 PM
What I'd like to know is how posters can get away with spam.

A OP started a thread that had a "FrontSite" ad banner in the message.
Should we contact a moderator when we find these? Or do they pay to have them??
Besides that there's a "FrontSite" magazine that belongs to USPSA group.

That which does not kill me makes me stronger. - Friedrich Nietzsche

Justin
August 2, 2011, 05:37 PM
This post should get you a warning like one that I got a few days ago. You need to mention a gun somewhere in it or it is not firearms related.

Front Site is a company that's been around for years, and they've been offering training classes and engaging in shady marketing practices for almost as long. Discussing such a company is completely on topic for this forum.


Just look at the one about some Monster Hunter book that is going on right now. Although that post is not about firearms it exists because the op mentions guns somewhere in it. I would say edit it before a moderator reads it.

For those not in the know, Larry Correia was helping to run this forum from day one. If you search the archives of THR, the seeds that eventually lead to the creation of his series of novels were all planted in discussions that happened here. As such, discussions about his books are, in a way, discussions about the things that have happened here.

What I'd like to know is how posters can get away with spam.

A OP started a thread that had a "FrontSite" ad banner in the message.
Should we contact a moderator when we find these? Or do they pay to have them??
Besides that there's a "FrontSite" magazine that belongs to USPSA group.

That which does not kill me makes me stronger. - Friedrich Nietzsche

If you aren't logged on to the forum, ad banners can show up in the first post.

Front Sight Magazine is a publication put out by USPSA, and has no relation to the Front Site training center that I'm aware of.

forgetitohio
August 2, 2011, 09:07 PM
Thanks for the info

>If you aren't logged on to the forum, ad banners can show up in the first post<

It wasn't this thread with the spam. I don't remember if I was logged on or not.

I was thinking copyrights. I see where the 2 "front Sight -Site are spelled different.

84B20
August 2, 2011, 09:29 PM
Front Site is a company that's been around for years, and they've been offering training classes and engaging in shady marketing practices for almost as long. Discussing such a company is completely on topic for this forum.

Justin, I think it is somewhat unfair to say that Front Sight has been engaging in shady marketing practices without citing at least one example. I for one do not believe that aggressive marketing with emails and phone calls is shady. Many other legitimate companies market this way. Phone companies are an example as well as Directv as another.

303tom
August 3, 2011, 01:30 AM
I have a answering machine & I never answer my phone , you want to talk to me leave a message , if I want to talk to you I will call you back , if not to bad so sad !

Justin
August 3, 2011, 02:21 AM
Justin, I think it is somewhat unfair to say that Front Sight has been engaging in shady marketing practices without citing at least one example. I for one do not believe that aggressive marketing with emails and phone calls is shady. Many other legitimate companies market this way. Phone companies are an example as well as Directv as another.

While it may not be shady, such marketing is deliberately intrusive, and as far as I'm concerned, the mark of an uncreative marketing staff.

If you want an example of a shady marketing practice on the part of Front Sight, look into the scheme they were running a few years ago where they were selling plots of land for a housing development that was supposed to be built around centralized shooting ranges, but ultimately never materialized.

http://www.8newsnow.com/story/5806002/judge-suspends-new-front-sight-memberships

Furthermore, Front Sight has, in the past, threatened lawsuits against firearms forums when discussions arose around Ignatius Piazza's religious affiliation. Both Glock Talk and The Firing Line were threatened by their lawyers.

Correia
August 3, 2011, 11:23 PM
Every year when I post something like that somebody always whines about favoritism. But it isn't gun related!

1. I write lots of books for a living, but I only post about the ones that are related to THR. i.e. the one that started on here and was originally written for and sold to THR members specifically, and the other series where the rough draft was actually written live on THR. I've got 3 other series, short stories, and a couple of stand alones and I don't post about them here.

2. I always ask the mods for permission first.

3. Gun related? Massad Ayoob wrote the back cover blurb. :D

Shadow 7D
August 4, 2011, 02:10 AM
Actually Front Sight doesn't have much love, they came on here and pretty much EVERY OTHER FORUM

and failed to maintain the high road, threatened law suits etc. for discussing the fact that they screwed a LARGE number of people out of multiple HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of dollars. I have seen a number of their adds, I have read about the 'deals' and the good reviews, but I will never spend money at a place that has such poor business practices,

I put them with SCCY, a knockoff that has a product of questionable quality. AND very bad Netiquette.

splithoof
August 4, 2011, 02:17 AM
What is the reputation of the founder?

Shadow 7D
August 4, 2011, 04:50 AM
google him, you'll find a bit...

ArfinGreebly
August 5, 2011, 02:44 AM
And yet every first-hand after action training report we've had posted here cites very well delivered professional quality course work and method.

It would seem that they deliver a quality product at a reasonable price.

If their marketing approach offends you, then don't go.

It's a business, though, and to stay alive a business has to engage in promotion.

If they called me at home, I'd probably ask them not to call back.

On the other hand, if they offered me a free flight down, a free two-day course, and a decent motel room, I might be tempted to get some vacation time off work.

Meanwhile, for those of you who want to know how to "put paid" to the phone calls, the above advice seems sound.

woad_yurt
August 5, 2011, 09:59 AM
This post hit upon one of my pet peeves.

Telemarketing is definitely intrusive and automated telemarketing is downright rude. When I go home, I shouldn't have to put up with someone's annoying machine injecting itself into what little down time I have.

84B20
August 5, 2011, 11:40 AM
Come on, people, get over it. When it comes to a subject that affects all gun owners, that is firearm training, a little slack should be given to a company that is trying its best to offer excellent training to as many people as it can. It is like people complaining about the NRA's approach to solicit new members and donations to the cause. Both organizations use aggressive methods but they both do us a great service in the long run. As I mentioned in a previous post, I have had training at Front Sight and highly recommend it.

mgkdrgn
August 5, 2011, 10:41 PM
Funny. I've been to a class, get the newsletter emails, and recently joined as a limited lifetime member.

Number of phone calls I've gotten from Front Sight....

Zero

Oh, by the way, best d%$n training you'll get anywhere.

Hypnogator
August 7, 2011, 02:02 PM
Oh, by the way, best d%$n training you'll get anywhere.

Well, maybe the best training you've gotten anywhere! :rolleyes:

84B20
August 7, 2011, 02:19 PM
Well, maybe the best training you've gotten anywhere! :rolleyes:

Not only him but me as well. Why don't you try it before you condemn it or at least not denounce it without any first hand or even second hand knowledge of the actual training?

RedAlert
August 7, 2011, 02:30 PM
I attended the training and really enjoyed. I also got the intensive after training marketing. I didn't like it. I found their phone number ( sorry, I remember it) and direct dialed it. I spoke to a rep there and thereafter all communication from them ceased.

Would I attend more training; maybe. I also appreciated their handling of my wishes not to receive any marketing.

84B20
August 7, 2011, 02:40 PM
I attended the training and really enjoyed. I also got the intensive after training marketing. I didn't like it. I found their phone number ( sorry, I remember it) and direct dialed it. I spoke to a rep there and thereafter all communication from them ceased.

Would I attend more training; maybe. I also appreciated their handling of my wishes not to receive any marketing.

The problem with not receiving any marketing calls or emails is you might miss out on any upcoming specials. Personally, I know how to hang up the phone and delete unwanted emails. The calls and emails as I mentioned in a previous post are from an organization that has our best interests in mind like supporting the 2nd Amendment and again it was through one of these calls that I was indirectly able to purchase a lifetime membership for any of their courses at a MUCH reduced cost. For that I can put up with the calls and emails.

mgkdrgn
August 7, 2011, 11:57 PM
Not only him but me as well. Why don't you try it before you condemn it or at least not denounce it without any first hand or even second hand knowledge of the actual training?
Ya know, I've never talked to, or even heard of anyone who has actually =been there= have anything but praise for their training. The "marketing" while =I= was there, a hot 15 minutes at one of the lunch lecture sessions. Period.

84B20
August 8, 2011, 12:04 AM
Ya know, I've never talked to, or even heard of anyone who has actually =been there= have anything but praise for their training. The "marketing" while =I= was there, a hot 15 minutes at one of the lunch lecture sessions. Period.

I don't know when you were there last but the lecture hall is now air conditioned and quite large.

mgkdrgn
August 8, 2011, 09:08 AM
I don't know when you were there last but the lecture hall is now air conditioned and quite large.
I was there, oh, 5 or so years ago, and the hall was pretty big then. I don't recall if it was AC or not ... but it was early spring (ran into snow on the drive from Vegas) while we were there. Gary Graham was in my group ... was interesting to see him as a "regular guy" rather than the Vulcan ambassador. ;-)

84B20
August 8, 2011, 11:41 AM
This is one of the emails you would miss if you ignor or drop them from Front Sight.

http://www.ignatius-piazza-front-sight.com/2011/08/08/front-sights-monday-blog-why-you-should-carry-a-gun-everywhere/

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