Pitbull Confrontation


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bg226
July 22, 2011, 07:46 PM
A friend and her child had been confronted on their property by a lone, aggressive pitbull. She has a .22LR Revolver at home and would like some advice on what would be a suitable replacement for protection in this case.

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ichiban
July 22, 2011, 07:50 PM
12 gauge, 00 buck. Seriously.

beeenbag
July 22, 2011, 07:52 PM
I would say just about anything .380 or up. Lcp maybe for ease of carry or a small 9mm. Most people that don't carry religiosly won't make much sacrifice to carry. I would advise something small but potent. Even a j frame would be great.

mgmorden
July 22, 2011, 07:55 PM
I second the 3" 12ga 00 suggestion for general purposes. For close up you won't find a handgun that hits quite so hard. Each rounds is about like getting shot by a .380 . . . a dozen or more times.

Just to carry something at all times though, I'd just go with an easily carryable centerfire of 9mm or higher if auto, or .38 spcl or higher revolver.

beeenbag
July 22, 2011, 08:00 PM
I second the shotty for keeping around the house, but in all reality if you are outside when shtf which you would about have to be to be attacked by a dog, you need something fast. That's why I am a firm believer in always carrying, even at home.

W.E.G.
July 22, 2011, 08:08 PM
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CWL
July 22, 2011, 08:15 PM
I'd start with a canister of bear spray then pick up a 12ga as a supplement.

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Fat Boy
July 22, 2011, 08:24 PM
I would start with a phone call to law enforcement. Be informed on legal ramifications of discharging a weapon outside; not saying don't just be sure of legality. Just my 2 cents

SquareBeer
July 22, 2011, 08:27 PM
ditto with the spary which can be carried on person and in tandom I would have a .380 or maybe a 9mm with hollow points. A shotgun is a good idea, however, you will have to shoot this dog while they are attacking or chasing somebody one would think.

It would as well be helpful knowing how far your neighbors are!

groundhog34
July 22, 2011, 09:47 PM
Antifreeze and ground meat will take care of the problem

sirgilligan
July 22, 2011, 09:58 PM
Dogs are tough. I empty a 22 rifle on a German shepherd and it was just barely enough. I hit every shot.

A 22lr isn't enough to do the job, IMO.

I would want a 9mm or like they have said, a 12 gauge shotgun.

beeenbag
July 22, 2011, 09:58 PM
Not anymore. Modern made antifreeze will not kill dogs, just make them sick.

GLOOB
July 22, 2011, 09:59 PM
^ Terrible. Yet apparently completely legal, as long as it's on your own property.

Give the dog a chance, first. I'd recommend talking with the neighbor and letting them know you are afraid of their dog. Not angry that it's running around. Afraid. Some owners don't get it, because their little puppy is so nice and friendly all the time - when the owner is around. When they tell you not to worry, because he's friendly and doesn't bite, get it into their head that the dog acts different when the owner isn't there. If they care about their dog, they'll fix the problem. If they don't take kindly to your words, at least you tried. Call the police. Be prepared.

9mmepiphany
July 22, 2011, 10:04 PM
I've seen aggressive dogs take hits from 9mms and .40s and pretty much shake it off...I wouldn't put much faith in a handgun against a dog of less power than a .357 Magnum with at least a medium weight bullet; 140gr+

Zerodefect
July 22, 2011, 10:07 PM
1. It's allways best to be ready for the worst. Get a .45 and a small can of bear spray. Learn how to use them.

2. File a report with the police about the loose dog.

3. A big guy like myself is handy to have around. I'm good enough with dogs to quickly determine if the aggressive dogs truely are a problem. Do your friends know anyone that's good with dogs? It may not actually be a bad dog.

4. A .22 ain't going to stop jack. Dogs like a pit don't allways respond to body pain. And a .22 isn't even going to be felt until an hour after the dogs on top of you anyways. You'd have to hit something vital, and IMO, it's too hard to do that with a .22 on a pit bull. A .22 that deosn't hit the CNS, is not going to do anything. Bear spray would be more effective. Keep in mind that dogs are big noses with teeth and legs. Bear spray is hell on eyes and noses.

Assume the dog is as tough as a person. Nothing smaller than 9mm +p will do.

100% good idea to have a gun. But a novice shooter is going to run out of luck quickly unless that dog just wants to sit there and growl. (And if it's just sitting there growling it's not much of a threat is it?) It's best to be prepared with a knife as well, incase all your shots are ineffective and you end up on the ground. Training is going to be key. A dog moves a whole lot faster than a human target.

9mmepiphany
July 22, 2011, 10:11 PM
I forgot to add that I second...or third now I guess...the recommendation of the bear spray

Loosedhorse
July 22, 2011, 10:15 PM
My minimum for dogs is .38 Special +P 158 gr. It is a very active consideration, since I believe, for me, dog attack is more likely than human attack.

In a semiauto pistol, I'd like .40 better than 9.

Rick Roll
July 22, 2011, 10:15 PM
I remember when I was a kid we had a rabid pitbull roaming the neighborhood. We think it was abandoned by someone. After many of the neighborhood animals were killed, including 2 of our cats and 1 of our dogs, and many sitings, all of us kids were not allowed outside until the thing was caught/killed.

Law enforcement did nothing, mostly because no one knew where the dog had taken up residence. However, I remember my father driving with his 12ga in his car, just in case he saw it while going to/from work. His .357 was with him, but he figured the 12ga would have been better for a charging dog.

Our neighbor was the one who finally put it down. That beast took 5 shots from a .45 to go down. Our neighbor said the only reason that worked was because the 5th shot was a head shot. Not sure if he was using hp or fmj though. The dog was charging our neighbor in his front yard when the final encounter happened.

1911Tuner
July 22, 2011, 10:17 PM
I've got a completely off the wall suggestion. I know that it's a little unorthodox when the subject of Pitbulls comes up...but why not try to befriend the dog. If it was truly being aggressive, it would have attacked without hesitation.

I did that two years ago with an abandoned Pitbull, and she's turned out to be a loyal and devoted companion who won't even retaliate against my Chihuahua when he nails her in the face. I can literally put my hand into her mouth and take food away from her.

For what it's worth, you can handle aggressive dogs neatly with a pointy stick, and you avoid bouncing lead all over the neighborhood.

vellocet
July 22, 2011, 10:18 PM
shotgun: advantages: You can get the muzzle right next to their heads probably without getting bitten. Instant effect. Gun can also be used to fend off other dogs. Disadvantages: Pellets can really migrate against bone. Messy. pistols: no matter what caliber, no advantages. Much potential for shooting something other than the dog. Final solution, as we all know, ban and remove that breed.

Zerodefect
July 22, 2011, 10:22 PM
I've got a completely off the wall suggestion. I know that it's a little unorthodox when the subject of Pitbulls comes up...but why not try to befriend the dog. If it was truly being aggressive, it would have attacked without hesitation.

I did that two years ago with an abandoned Pitbull, and she's turned out to be a loyal and devoted companion who won't even retaliate against my Chihuahua when he nails her in the face. I can literally put my hand into her mouth and take food away from her.

Exactly.

Find a big Pit Bull collector/breeder/fan whatever online. He'd probally be happy to pick up a stray. It's not something I'd let my Women do, but I can handle big dogs. Pit bulls are great passive dogs once you figure out how to keep them in a way that deosn't mentally wreck them.

jmresistance
July 22, 2011, 10:22 PM
It all depends on where you hit it. I got attacked by a stray cat when I was a kid and my dad shot it 9 times with a 20ga loaded with buckshot. He hit every shot and if you weren't there when it started, you wouldn't know it was a cat. But, it was still trying to come at us!

On the flip side my friend's dad was trying to scare off a big, stray dog by shooting over it's head and hit a little low... He dropped it dead with one head shot and that was with a .22lr...

Loosedhorse
July 22, 2011, 10:23 PM
the only reason that worked was because the 5th shot was a head shot.I should have been clearer. My recommendations were for head-shots only.you can handle aggressive dogs neatly with a pointy stick, and you avoid bouncing lead all over the neighborhood.A single headshot avoids the bouncing lead problem, and is better than a pointy stick.

Hey, I love dogs, especially my own. But I have suffered my last bite, if I have any say in the matter.

1911Tuner
July 22, 2011, 10:27 PM
Yep, Zero. Pits have gotten a bad rap. I've been rescuing for a long time. I've crawled under house trailers and into culverts to retrieve injured dogs. I've got bite scars on both arms from the wrists to the elbows...and I've never been bitten by a Pit.

On the suggestion to use antifreeze...

I'll keep it to myself in the interest of staying on the high road. They die hard from antifreeze. Very ugly and painful way to go.

vellocet
July 22, 2011, 10:28 PM
He wants to know about how to kill them best, not how cute and cuddley they are.

SquareBeer
July 22, 2011, 10:30 PM
^ Terrible. Yet apparently completely legal, as long as it's on your own property.

Give the dog a chance, first. I'd recommend talking with the neighbor and letting them know you are afraid of their dog. Not angry that it's running around. Afraid. Some owners don't get it, because their little puppy is so nice and friendly all the time - when the owner is around. When they tell you not to worry, because he's friendly and doesn't bite, get it into their head that the dog acts different when the owner isn't there. If they care about their dog, they'll fix the problem. If they don't take kindly to your words, at least you tried. Call the police. Be prepared.
all I can say about report.....I did with my neighbors ....dog chased my wife, my niece, nephew, MIL and bit me, also barking at 3am for hours while they are not home. I've filed reports with animal control.....nieghbors filed stupid police reports on me none of which are true.....neighbors happen to be local police and sheriff.

so doing this may or may not solve anything. police are basically lazy and not willing to investigate what is wrong. they get paid whether they do their job or not.

I would never suggest posion for a dog but rat posion I heard used to work.

usmarine0352_2005
July 22, 2011, 10:31 PM
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I've seen a pitbull take numerous .45 rounds and not die. It had to be put down by a vet later.




I'd talk to the neighbor and if that didn't work the police. A 12 gauge is your best bet.

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VintovkaMosin
July 22, 2011, 10:32 PM
Thats cruel to poison them. Try a leadless approach, unless someone actually gets injured.

Danb1215
July 22, 2011, 10:37 PM
shotgun: advantages: You can get the muzzle right next to their heads probably without getting bitten. Instant effect. Gun can also be used to fend off other dogs. Disadvantages: Pellets can really migrate against bone. Messy. pistols: no matter what caliber, no advantages. Much potential for shooting something other than the dog. Final solution, as we all know, ban and remove that breed.
I'm not sure because the post is so incoherent but are you suggesting pit bulls should be banned?

Quite frankly if people started abusing/fighting **insert friendly dog breed here** they would get a bad rap too. A properly raised dog of any breed is not going to rip your face off, likewise an improperly raised dog of any breed might.

If one is living in an area with aggressive pit bulls I'd be more concerned about the dangers posed to me by the owners than the dog.

zdc1775
July 22, 2011, 10:43 PM
Final solution, as we all know, ban and remove that breed.
:mad:

You obviously have never owned a Pit. I have one that is a service dog and rescue them whenever I have the opportunity. I have even rehabilitated dogs used for fighting and they have become great pets.

Back on topic if she must defend herself bear spray or even pepper spray is the best solution as it is almost guaranteed to cause them to run away. However if she is anywhere near N. AL I will gladly come and see if the dog is abandoned, aggressive, or just running around.

plunge
July 22, 2011, 10:44 PM
call animal control and have it taken away. the owners are obviously irresponsible. i have a pit bull, but i am responsible and dont let it just go running around doing whatever it wants. it's not really a pit bull problem, it's a person who shouldn't have ANY dogs.

SquareBeer
July 22, 2011, 10:45 PM
Sigh........

I love dogs and all animals.

However, just like people we have those that have "lost" their minds, I'm sure Charles Manson was a cuddle, loveable guy you would like in your house hold one time ago.

We he is out invite him.

People as well as animals can become products of their environment. A mistreated animal and those tought to attack do such, those abandonded live to survive. Heard that word, survival?

Nobody nor anything's life should be taken as a first line of action........but you kick in my door, I don't care how loveable you are, you will be shot. ty

Zoogster
July 22, 2011, 10:50 PM
Need a decent handgun. Contrary to many opinions a shotgun in that situation will often be of no help.

Where is this?

In many jurisdictions running outside with a gun not in defense of life or livestock or something otherwise justified to defend under the law from animals and killing a dog is not legal. That makes a long gun someone won't already be walking around with outside unlikely to help.

Taking a long gun from indoors where everyone is safe, outdoors to willingly engage and kill an animal not immediately posing a threat when there is not adequate justification under the law can result in criminal charges.
It can be seen as an offensive and not a defensive action.
The days of legally killing whatever animal you want that comes on your property are coming or have come to an end in many jurisdictions.


The law more and more in many places is turning pets and animals into almost miniature human beings.
Of course these pets are never deterred by legal consequences unlike some people, because dogs don't know the laws. They are also not subject to the morals and values of society, other people's views, don't attend mandatory schooling, and rely solely on their owner to provide their entire perspective. Making them more dangerous because the only deterrent they have is that which their owner alone has instilled in them.


So my point is she needs to carry a suitable handgun to react with when the danger is immediate and they are already outside, not a long gun that must be retrieved from inside, or will be taken from inside to outside in order to use it on an animal that posed no risky to people already indoors.

The only theoretical scenario where the long gun would be useful is if her daughter or someone else was already outside, the dangerous animal arrived and began threatening or attacking, and she then grabbed the gun and went outside.
While a handgun though typically less effective but carried allows a much wider range of responses in more scenarios.

Larry Ashcraft
July 22, 2011, 10:57 PM
This would be destined to go on and on and end up in some pretty serious arguments. (and members getting warnings, infractions, and worse).

However, it is off topic. And my bedtime. So that isn't going to happen.

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