NFA items on a C&R


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USAF_Vet
July 28, 2011, 10:17 PM
I've been kicking back and forth the idea of getting my C&R FFL.

Michigan is one of the weird states that allows Full Auto NFA items, but not SBS, SBR or suppressors.

Hypothetically, what would be the legality of a C&R eligible item like a Mosin Nagant M91/30 that was cut down to an Obrez pistol? Technically, it's a SBR, but also a C&R? Does one trump the other?

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Rail Driver
July 28, 2011, 10:58 PM
I'd go with "no sbr". C&R has nothing to do with it.

Telekinesis
July 28, 2011, 11:02 PM
I think C&R only applies to the original form of the weapon. For example, I don't think you can get a fully bubba'd mosin and transfer it as a C&R (though I could be wrong). If you found an original Obrez, I think it would be fine, but I don't think you can manufacture your own and still maintain the C&R status.

BK
July 28, 2011, 11:03 PM
NFA Handbook:
http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5320-8/atf-p-5320-8-chapter-10.pdf
10.1.3 NFA firearms classified as curios or relics. NFA firearms may be classified as curios or relics
under the same requirements discussed in Section 10.1.1. NFA firearms classified as curios or relics are
still subject to the provisions of the NFA.

Still regulated as NFA firearm.

kingpin008
July 28, 2011, 11:41 PM
As mentioned, the NFA bit supercedes the C&R bit. Sorry. :(

AethelstanAegen
July 29, 2011, 12:07 AM
A firearms only retains it's C&R status in it's original configuration. Once you modify the rifle it's technically no longer a C&R.

paintballdude902
July 29, 2011, 12:24 AM
only some C&R nfa weapons get cr status. there is a list with them on it, i know there are a few winchester trapper models on the list since they had like a 14.5 in barrel.

Ian
July 29, 2011, 12:58 AM
I believe you're thinking of the guns exempted from the NFA for historical reasons. Things like short-barreled lever action rifles, BHPs and C96 Mausers with shoulder stocks, etc. Other C&R guns can also be NFA guns, like the Colt 1918 Vickers I recently bought. It has to be NFA registered because it's a machine gun, but once a transfer is approved it could be shipped interstate to a C&R licensee.

USAF_Vet
July 29, 2011, 09:51 AM
As mentioned, the NFA bit supercedes the C&R bit

That is what I figured.

I believe you're thinking of the guns exempted from the NFA for historical reasons. Things like short-barreled lever action rifles, BHPs and C96 Mausers with shoulder stocks, etc. Other C&R guns can also be NFA guns, like the Colt 1918 Vickers I recently bought. It has to be NFA registered because it's a machine gun, but once a transfer is approved it could be shipped interstate to a C&R licensee.


Yeah, this is really what I was looking at. I'd love to get an original Broom Handle Mauser with the stock, but that would be a SBR. If it is NFA exempt as a C&R, thats a reason for me to get my C&R.

Owlnmole
July 29, 2011, 10:48 AM
If I understand the rules right, you don't need a C&R to own an NFA exempt weapon, only to have it shipped directly to you. If it is NFA exempt, I think you could still have it shipped to your FNGS. Not that I want to discourage you from getting a C&R licence, just putting it into context.

ErikO
July 29, 2011, 01:32 PM
Yep, C&R really exists to empty your wallet and break the back of your USPS/UPS folks. ;)

Mine is still pending. :)

Ian
July 29, 2011, 09:24 PM
That's right, Owlnmole - guns determined to be C&R exempt from the NFA can be owned by anyone. You only need a C&R license to have them shipped interstate directly to you.

lonestardiver
July 29, 2011, 11:02 PM
Don't forget the C&R gets you discounts at brownells, midway, graf & sons, etc...
Mine took 4 weeks door to door.

USAF_Vet
July 31, 2011, 04:04 PM
Is there a list somewhere of NFA exempt firearms?

zoom6zoom
July 31, 2011, 06:07 PM
You'll still need the tax stamp for any C&R eligible NFA. The only thing that changes is that you don't have to pay for a transfer through a Class 3 Dealer.

paintballdude902
July 31, 2011, 06:32 PM
some are exempt from the tax stamp if it predates the nfa

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