27 rifles stolen from California military base


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cbrgator
July 29, 2011, 11:23 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/29/27-rifles-stolen-from-california-military-base/

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives says in a statement Friday that 26 AK-74 assault rifles and one Dragunov sniper rifle were stolen from a supply warehouse at Fort Irwin in San Bernardino County on July 15.


Why is our military storing AK-74's and Dragunovs?

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EmGeeGeorge
July 29, 2011, 11:24 PM
opposing forces training.... wps familiarity for deploying soldiers... spec warfare training... etc.

GRIZ22
July 29, 2011, 11:25 PM
Why is our military storing AK-74's and Dragunovs?

OPFOR weapons. Fort Irwin is a large training post.

cbrgator
July 29, 2011, 11:26 PM
Interesting.

50caliber123
July 29, 2011, 11:29 PM
a continuation of 'fast & furious' guns and fallout from the atf earlier this year?

jcollins1007
July 29, 2011, 11:30 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/29/27-rifles-stolen-from-california-military-base/



Why is our military storing AK-74's and Dragunovs?
Yeah, those should be sold to the public.

MrCleanOK
July 29, 2011, 11:42 PM
OPFOR weapons. Fort Irwin is a large training post.

wps familiarity for deploying soldiers


This and this.

Oathkeeper1775
July 29, 2011, 11:48 PM
They will find them, as soon as they go through the access list.

We had some .45Cal "Grease-Guns" stolen, they locked everyone associated down for months and months; in jail basically.
1989 or so.

The weapons turned up the following summer when they drained a community swimming pool to clean it. The thieves confessed, convicted, jailed and discharged under other than honorable conditions.


The army ain't the ATF. :D

lemaymiami
July 30, 2011, 01:01 PM
If you just have to have military weapons... where else would you steal them?

At least the military will deal with them properly if it's military personnel involved. This sort of stuff happens occasionally - I can remember back in the Stone Age (1960's) when various radical outfits raided one Armory or other for weapons. That sort of stuff needs to be dealt with very harshly. Hope they're caught and the weapons recovered.

Pacsd
July 30, 2011, 05:15 PM
I must have missed the part about the description of the weapons. All I heard was M-16s and a sniper rifle while they were showing file clips of them on a display wall however, they didn't mention the installation they were stolen from. I could not hang around for the whole story and haven't heard anything since. My immediate thought was an air base and being an ex sky cop I thought "inside job" with the armorer.

4v50 Gary
July 30, 2011, 05:17 PM
Operation Faster and Mo' Furious has come to California.

I hope they're recovered before anyone is hurt.

M-Cameron
July 30, 2011, 05:26 PM
does/ has anyone here ever worked at a military supply warehouse?

is the security really this bad where someone can just walk out with an armful of weapons...?

M2
July 30, 2011, 05:34 PM
No one "walked out with an armful of weapons," they broke into the facility and stole them. There was better security than most gun stores, but anything can be defeated given the right tactics and equipment.

I suspect the culprit either worked at the facility previously or had extensive knowledge of the building based on what I've read.

Serial numbers have been released to law enforcement agencies across the country.

Mike1234567
July 30, 2011, 05:47 PM
I agree with Oathkeeper1775 and M2. Probably more than one person working at or assigned to the base stole these.

Roadkill
July 30, 2011, 05:51 PM
In 1971 I was stationed at Ft McClellan Al, assignment was the post arms room. I signed in the Company on Wed, went to Arms Room on Thur, was off Friday. Monday morning was weekly inventory. Civilian owned .32 MAB missing. The next three days were very unpleasant. Even though I had not even been in the Arms Room vault I was considered suspect. CID got its act together, the dude who I replaced had left on the Tuesday before I got there. He had worked there two years and ETS'd from the Army. They went somewhere in Ohio, found him, he denied it, so that was the end of it.

Many years later, then I was SFC Tng NCO and we're going out for a twelve day exercise. The Supply Sgt & I load up the Supply & Arms room, head out to FTX area, set up shop. Later that day he calls me, 1911A1 missing. We look, can't find it. had ten enlisted helping in the move, so either it was missing before (no way) got lost (no way) or somebody took it in transit. Rest of the Company shows up, I inform 1SG & CO, process of investigation starts. CO said he wouldn't report it for a couple of days. We tighten up the place. No gun. ISG called formation. Announced all we wanted was the gun. No questions asked. At about two in the morning CQ woke me up, he stepped outside for a cigarette and stepped on something on the back steps. It was that damn pistol.

M-Cameron
July 30, 2011, 06:48 PM
No one "walked out with an armful of weapons," they broke into the facility and stole them. There was better security than most gun stores, but anything can be defeated given the right tactics and equipment.

I suspect the culprit either worked at the facility previously or had extensive knowledge of the building based on what I've read.

Serial numbers have been released to law enforcement agencies across the country.

well i didnt mean that they simply walked out the front door and tipped their hat to the door man on the way out with arm fulls of weapons....

....of course someone broke in.



but dont these places have armed security.......fences.....cameras......ect....?

ide honestly hope theyve got something more than a half asleep desk guy armed with only a flashlight.

Mike1234567
July 30, 2011, 06:56 PM
Z-z-z-z-z..... z-z-z-z-z-z..... z-z-z-z-z.....

Shadow 7D
July 30, 2011, 06:57 PM
Um, breaking in....
is VERY DIFFICULT

Walking out, with your arms full of weapons, in a crowded and confused and congested weapons issue...
is VERY EASY...

but hey, obviously you have never been near the military so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Hayfield123
July 30, 2011, 06:57 PM
It is a good bet it was done by people that work there . . . it usually is. They have access and can cover their tracks with paperwork, at least temporarily.

It is a lot harder for strangers to get in and out, undetected.

rfwobbly
July 30, 2011, 07:28 PM
If you just have to have military weapons... where else would you steal them?

That's silly. Everyone knows you can drive down into Mexico and buy them from the ATF! :D

Mike1234567
July 30, 2011, 07:31 PM
^^^ No need for that long trip. They've started raffling them off... but only to felons. Mere law abiding citizens don't qualify.

rfwobbly
July 30, 2011, 07:37 PM
Well either way, no Spanish language lessons are required. :D

Shadow 7D
July 30, 2011, 10:37 PM
Fast and Furious, sounds like a greasy spoon, I wonder if they deliver or is just take out service

plunge
August 1, 2011, 04:37 AM
from what i've heard about this they were all blank firing weapons only and used for opfor

Sav .250
August 1, 2011, 10:13 AM
This is not the first time weapons have gone missing from a military base.
With all the checks and balances, you`d think that would be next to impossible.

wideym
August 1, 2011, 12:35 PM
While stationed in Alaska, an arms room on the ground floor was broken in to and three racks of M16s were stolen.

The perps waited till 4:00am, stole a deuce and a half from the motor pool down the street, ran it through the wall, cut the chain to the racks, loaded up three racks (30 rifles), and headed out to the back fourty. The truck was recovered later that day along with the empty racks, no body was caught.

It must have been either a current sevice member or a former one to locate the area the arms room was located and to know how tired and confused the CQ would be on a Saturday at 4:00am.

GRIZ22
August 1, 2011, 05:29 PM
This is not the first time weapons have gone missing from a military base.
With all the checks and balances, you`d think that would be next to impossible.

True but it really doesn't happen that often.

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