How many times can you fail in gun safety in 5:00, I lost count.


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junk250
July 31, 2011, 03:04 AM
The first minute or two is a Wasr type Ak (at least one negligent discharge later) and a 9mm pointed straight at the guy's head sitting in the next stall," and the parking lot, then it goes downhill from there.

Then the guy with the Nagant steps right in front of the AK, with the fat fingers guy that has never shot a gun, and had at least one negligent discharge later in the vid., and at the same time half their guns were pointed backwards at the parking lot.

This kind of burns me up, Its a blast to shoot, but don't point guns at people in the parking lot and beside you.

Not to mention the foul language in a public place, a young girl was trying to shoot in the next stall.

Not cool at all.

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303tom
July 31, 2011, 07:52 AM
Just a bunch of damn PUNKS !

FROGO207
July 31, 2011, 09:17 AM
Goes to show you that a clean record and enough cash to buy a gun/ammo does not make one a pro with a firearm. A little common sense and a lot of education would be good for those shooters. This stuff puts a bad spin on firearms ownership/use as well as being completely unsafe.:fire::banghead:

8654Maine
July 31, 2011, 10:08 AM
brain dead and still walking

nosmr2
July 31, 2011, 04:12 PM
Impossible to watch due to shaky camera. A tripod or monopod never hurts.

Russ Jackson
July 31, 2011, 04:26 PM
He actually used the AK for a gun rest. And you wonder why so many members have NDs. These Idiots scare the heck out of me. I guess they never had a good male role model to teach them. So sad. I bet they show this crap to there friends and they think this is the way you handle a gun. Amazing...Russ

Russ Jackson
July 31, 2011, 04:34 PM
$89 dollar Mosin with a 89 IQ shooting...Russ

joeq
July 31, 2011, 04:43 PM
If punks like this show up where I'm shooting I'm leaving. It's just a matter of time until someone gets hurt. They should be embarrassed putting this garbage on the internet.

seanie!
July 31, 2011, 09:16 PM
I'm not exactly trying to defend anyone in the video, but from what I gather, at least two of them were veterans. They mentioned shooting 50 cals, drill sergeants, and acted out loading artillery with the Mosin. If they were at a range that I was at, shooting the way they were, I'd at least mention to them that they might want to keep all firearms pointed downrage at all times. If they didn't after that, then I'd decide it was time to leave.

orionengnr
July 31, 2011, 11:04 PM
Poor muzzle discipline, poor trigger discipline.
No use of eye protection.

If this is what passes for training these days, I'm not impressed at all.

joeq
July 31, 2011, 11:11 PM
Veterans or not, they need to learn some gun safety.

Ignition Override
August 1, 2011, 01:21 AM
Can public ranges have voluntary Range Masters, as least on weekends, who can evaluate people and evict them until they prove attendance of a gun class, if needed?

Besides our local private club with its numerous rigid rules, the only range I've been to is the club in Newburgh IN, by Evansville.

Unlike my club, that club has No rules about people standing (with empty guns on the bench) behind a safety line when others are down range, but shooters seem to be experienced and safe.

USAF_Vet
August 1, 2011, 11:10 AM
Veterans or not, they need to learn some gun safety.

Exactly. Just because someone served, doesn't mean they know jack about firearms. Rear eschelon POGs who come back stateside are typically the ones bragging about their so-called experiences, which are complete fabrications.

M-Cameron
August 1, 2011, 11:23 AM
not really defending their actions......because it is possible to go to the range and have fun without acting like a bunch of hooligans.....

however, the guns not in their immediate possession did appear to have their actions open with magazines removed......rendering them more or less "safe"

Cop Bob
August 1, 2011, 11:27 AM
Jeeze.......Proof that God must love stupid people.. he made so many of them...

Cosmoline
August 1, 2011, 12:22 PM
I think a lot of people are condemning them on LOOKS. I see some lax safety standards but nothing as bad as the attacks would warrant. Why not offer safety tips instead of the personal attacks?

seanie!
August 1, 2011, 01:16 PM
I think a lot of people are condemning them on LOOKS. I see some lax safety standards but nothing as bad as the attacks would warrant. Why not offer safety tips instead of the personal attacks?
This.
however, the guns not in their immediate possession did appear to have their actions open with magazines removed......rendering them more or less "safe"
This.

Once again, I'm not particularly defending them, but this is supposed to be the highroad. Comments like:
Just a bunch of damn PUNKS !
brain dead and still walking
$89 dollar Mosin with a 89 IQ shooting
If punks like this show up where I'm shooting I'm leaving.
Jeeze.......Proof that God must love stupid people.. he made so many of them...

That's a whole lot of name calling for the highroad. Everyone is entitled to their own personal opinion, but when it devolves into name calling, it's just not cool. How are these kids supposed to improve their gun handling safety when they're just written off as punks and idiots? If nobody is willing to step in and mention to them that they have lax safety and poor gun handling, when are they going to get better?

kwelz
August 1, 2011, 01:28 PM
That range is about 5 minutes from my house. I refuse to go there because this kind of activity is the norm.

ETA:

Some examples of what happens up there:

There is an outhouse there for people to use. It has to be replaced constantly because it is always shot up.

I have seen people start shooting while others are down putting up/taking down targets.

Not unusual to see people drinking while shooting there.


Honestly I am amazed no one has died at this range.

El Tejon
August 1, 2011, 02:10 PM
Less than optimal behavior.

kewlz, does IDNR run that range?

kwelz
August 1, 2011, 02:22 PM
Saying they "run" the range is a bit generous. It is located in the state forestry so technically they do. However it is rare to see a DNR officer and when you do he is usually just driving through. The range is never actually monitored.

There are actually 2 ranges separated by a berm. The one these guys are on is the public range. It has tables set up for people and then three small hills for targets with a small stream you have to walk across.

On the other side is the LE range. It is a flat open range that goes out to about 100 yards. Neither are safe.

GLOOB
August 1, 2011, 02:25 PM
I didn't see any of the things the OP pointed out. Maybe I blinked. I didn't see any ND's. I didn't see anyone walk in front of another shooter.* Didn't see a 9mm pointed at other people. Didn't notice any poor trigger control or muzzle discipline. Only thing I saw was a rifle and a pistol laying on the table, pointed at a parking lot where there were no people.

The one time I noticed a guy with his finger in the trigger of the Mosin pointing straight up, he had the bolt open and was looking in the chamber. I dunno but I thought he was maybe trying to decock the rifle.

*If you meant when he walked in front of the AK that was lying on the table not being handled... uh, so what? You walk in front of a bunch of firearms every time you walk downrange to change targets. Unless everyone was to take all their rifles and prop them up every time 1 guy wants to put up a target? And put away all their pistols in their range bags... pointing where, exactly? I thought the proper thing was to just leave em unloaded and not handled. Pointing downrange.

M-Cameron
August 1, 2011, 02:47 PM
5 times pointed at people
3 time kept finger by trigger when not shooting.
3 times got in front of the firing line
7 times did not pay attention to where the gun was pointing.
2 times standing in front of a gun

with the exception of the eye and ear protection( though it looked as though they could have been wearing plugs).........i didnt see any of that.


perhaps you could provide some time signatures as to when these happened in the video....?


aside from some language that was a tad south of proper for a public place, and general goofiness .......i didnt see anything that screamed "OMG I BETTER GET OUT OF HERE BEFORE I DIE!".

GLOOB
August 1, 2011, 02:53 PM
5 times pointed at people
Definitely did not see this.
7 times did not pay attention to where the gun was pointing.
Don't understand how 5 times = 7 times, now.

As for the firing line, I didn't see one. If you know the range rules, then so be it. It wasn't obvious to the rest of us. Just looked like a picnic table and a pile of dirt to me.

2 times standing in front of a gun
I do this every time I go shooting outdoors - when I put up new targets or when I go to shoot closer than my field bench, there are guns laying on the bench pointing downrange.

Russ Jackson
August 1, 2011, 02:59 PM
If I went to a range and saw people acting, talking, and handling guns like this I would leave immediatly. Resting a firearm on another while shooting is nuts. Standing infront of the bench while shooting? He actually pointed the Mosin at the camera mans mid section. All guns point down range. Reckless firing of weapons with no target in mind. The little guy had no clue as to what or where he was shooting. The guy with the winter hat spins with the AK and again with the Mosin at the end of the video. He bangs the AK several times. No telling where the bullets went. A complete bench in dissaray. I never actually saw a target. No eye protection or hearing. If a range officer was onsite they would have been run off immediatly. Anyone who finds this range behavior acceptable needs to be re-trained. ...Russ

Nushif
August 1, 2011, 03:06 PM
I saw no ND. I saw no gregarious flagging. I saw some pretty standard trigger discipline. I didn't even see a 9mm.

Off course they weren't wearing eyepro. Bad on them, for sure. Ear pro? I saw some plugs in one guy. It stands to reason they all had them.
I am real sorry, but I will not consider a gun with a visibly open action and no magazine inserted pointed at something a safety violation. In that case you could never even go downrange to switch your target because you're pointing your gun at yourself.

As for the cussing in a public place, as much as we're pounding on individual freedoms and liberties ... they're allowed to cuss. I know it's in poor taste, at times, but it's not illegal to cuss at a range. They're also allowed to generally look and act crude, but it's very hypocritical to claim you love individual freedoms and then act like this when someone uses them in a way you don't like.

So. The only safety violation I saw was the eyepro. Sorry.

GLOOB
August 1, 2011, 03:06 PM
He actually pointed the Mosin at the camera mans mid section.
When?

The guy with the winter hat spins with the AK and again with the Mosin at the end of the video.
So? He keeps the gun pointed downrange and up. If he could dance a jig while keeping the muzzle pointed downrange, I'd give him bonus points.

Reckless firing of weapons with no target in mind.
Reckless because of what? No target in mind? How do you know this?

The little guy had no clue as to what or where he was shooting.
You know this, how?

I never actually saw a target
Many a rock has been used as a target out here in the Arizona mountains. Leaf. Debris. Any visible mark where you can see the dust kick up.

wh!plash
August 1, 2011, 04:23 PM
Just because someone served, doesn't mean they know jack about firearms.

I was kind of surprised when i found out just how true this is. I have a friend that hit me up about learning to shoot handguns. He served in the Army and is out and going to college now.

I assumed he had at least handled one before. But he says his 10 or 12 rounds through the M16 qualifying in basic training was the only time he's ever physically touched a firearm, and he even showed me the targets he kept. He was completely new to how the action of an auto handgun worked.

Russ Jackson
August 1, 2011, 04:28 PM
Maybe its just me and I am in the wrong here. Shooting is a disiplined action that takes organization and extreme care. Wildcat unorganized action will result in injury. One must stay focused at all times at a range. Guns are pointed down range at all times. Never in the air. After shooting a gun it is cleared and put in its respectful place on the bench and pointed down range. Shooting stations are deployed for different stances. Ammo is organized on the bench. Guns should never be pointed into the sky. Never laid sideways on the table. Resting a gun on a sideways gun on the bench and shooting is not proper. When in the vicinity of children and others proper language should be spoken. Time marks 2:50, 4:00 and 4:53 are what I would call gun weilding. Gun handling is for responsible individuals acting like mature adults. This is just my opinion. If you disagree and think this is proper range ettiquette and would have no problem with these men around you and your children at the range then fine. I would get in my car and leave as quickly as possible. I am very serious when it comes to gun handling...Russ

CAR-AR
August 1, 2011, 04:32 PM
4:48 No smoking on the firing line!

GLOOB
August 1, 2011, 05:41 PM
I do see several instances where they place the firearm facing the wrong direction. And they oft held the gun pointed upwards. (So did the guy at the next bench!) But everything else is subjective. As far as I could tell there was only 1 other party in the vicinity, and 2:50 was the closest anyone pointed a gun anywhere close to them. And the "young guy who clearly didn't know what he was doing" had his finger out of the trigger guard, and he tried to lay the rifle down pointing downrange, but there was no room.

"Gun wielding" is a new one for me. I thought wielding a gun was necessary to shoot it.

I find it most amazing how many offenses people see (or think they see) when they jump to conclusions as to the persons doing the shooting. I recall a practical pistol competition where a 20-yr-old got called for trigger 3 times in one stage between very close targets - a step or two while gun is pointing downrange. Right after he was done a 60-something stepped up. He jogged a full 30 feet between targets, bouncing his merry way, with his finger on the trigger of his 1911 the entire time, gun pointing straight up. RO didn't do anything.

blowfeld
August 1, 2011, 06:44 PM
I had an old Vietnam vet buddy that used to wave a gun around and would talk about becoming an instructor. I used to duck when I would shoot with him.

Claymore1500
August 1, 2011, 07:23 PM
Just one note I would like to point out, As shakey as that camera man was, I can't see him shooting at any target smaller than a car and hitting it.

By chance, did anyone watch the video of the "Pretty girl shooting guns and having fun".
They had a camera mounted on the front of the gun in question, pointing back at her face, and you can clearly see her using a "hollo-sight" while keeping one eye closed as if using a scope.

Nushif
August 1, 2011, 07:30 PM
Gun handling is for responsible individuals acting like [...]

I think this is where the big problem lies.

Gun handling is for anyone who is in physical posession of a gun and can handle it regularly without posing a danger to others. The only danger they posed was to their own eyesight in the unlikely event that one of their guns blew up.
Gun handling is not some arcane and serious-face activity only people we like and trust are allowed to do only in ways we like them to do it, wearing clothing we like, speaking words we like and looking however we like.

Responsible with a gun means being able to use it fairly well and safely in a legal manner. Not wearing a collar, speaking only allowed words and going to church on sunday.

"Proper" and "ought to" are not qualifiers for who gets to shoot at your range. They followed the four rules of gun handling and wore ear protection, although not eye protection. Shame on them. Slap on those ballistics Oakleys (they issue those) next time.

Russ Jackson
August 1, 2011, 09:32 PM
If you were at the range with these individuals would you stay and shoot? Or would you pack it up and leave? I really find it difficult to believe that you all find this practice of open firing into the woods without targets, swearing, banging guns atop another, loading a companions gun for him and jumping to the side while plugging your ears in front of the fire line normal range behavior.
I found it disrespectful of the enviorment, the guns, ammo and the patrons in the area. I guess this is what shooting has become and the responsible shooter respecting his/her surroundings has become a thing of the past. I just cannot understand defending these practices. I find it amazing so many of you defend it....Russ

Axel Larson
August 1, 2011, 09:56 PM
The swearing was bad agreed, the loading a the Mosin and jumping to the side bad, shooting a gun on top another gun, bad but for me the worst bit is him firing the AK from his hip. Hollywood all over again. I am a young shooter and I would leave this range.On the other hand I did not watch it all the way through but I did not see as many violation as mentioned. Plus they were probably wearing ear plugs (that is what I use) and yes they did not have eye protection I know it is wrong but it is not that uncommon at public ranges. The sad thing is eye protection only cots about 20 bucks.

MyGreenGuns
August 2, 2011, 08:59 AM
I think everyone is a little worked up about this!

No eyes and looks like no ears. But I use plugs outdoors, and they might not show up on camera.

Someone posted that they were shooting into the woods. It looks like it has a dirt backstop. Its an established shooting area. I would hope if DNR were going to set up benches and a parking lot they would check the field of fire.

The guy in the black shirt (Army ROTC) looks new to shooting. He keeps smacking the bolt forward, it goes up. No its not a good idea to use another weapon as a rest, but its not 'dangerous'. I'd have smacked him for doing that with my guns.

The guy with the beanie watches to much TV. Firing a rifle from the hip is not accurate(2:53), but he kept the gun downrange. You can get full auto speeds by hooking your finger thru the trigger to your pants and yanking the gun forward. If he wants to waste $7 shooting that way, whatever. I shoot my shotgun from the hip sometimes when I'm outdoors, never a rifle though. He does step in front of this gun later, but he cleared it himself(3:16).

The guy with the shotgun is trying too hard to look cool. (3:44) That was not smooth.

ROTC DID point the the rifle at the camera guy (2:50), but he was empty, the bolt was open.

Weapon skyward is better than pointed at someone. The girl(? yellow shirt) you are worried about hearing foul language has her weapon skyward(3:36), is she bad too?

Beanie guy DID do a spin with the rifle, but it was skyward, he cleared it, AND set the safety(4:45).

(2:18) Before you grind the gun, clean it better. Cosmoline is a pain to get off. I had this problem with my M44 when I first bought it.

(4:09) That is NOT how the army does it. Kind of a stupid idea if you ask me.

On targets: I was very excited once to shoot at cell phones from 50 yds. My buddy and I blasted them with awesome marksmanship. Our girlfriends stood behind us and filmed it. Upon reviewing the footage, no cell phones were visible. Kind of a bummer, but it happens.

As for the foul language, re-read the first amendment. Yeah they sound like a bunch of jerks, but they have the right to. While you're complaining about how people use their second amendment, remember they are all american. Restricting someones rights to guns because you dont like them is unamerican. Its possible someone thinks YOU shouldnt have a gun either.

Would I leave if they were shooting near me? Possibly. I did have a problem with the weapons pointed toward the parking lot. If I saw them being unsafe, I would pack and go, after I said something. One of the many reasons I dont like shooting around strange people. When I shoot outside, Im up on my back acrage, private range. Most of the unsafe shooters I've seen have been at a indoor range.

GLOOB
August 2, 2011, 09:08 PM
ROTC DID point the the rifle at the camera guy (2:50)

You guys must be terrible shots. He never swept the camera guy. If he was TRYING to shoot the camera guy, he would have missed by a mile. He LOOKS at the camera guy to make sure he's clear to put the rifle down (on the admittedly cluttered table).
The guy with the shotgun is trying too hard to look cool.
So without eyes and ears, that would be 3 violations? Or is it 3 violations per each shot while trying to look cool? :)
The guy with the beanie watches to much TV. Firing a rifle from the hip is not accurate
This has nothing to do with movies or being accurate. I suppose anyone who has ever built or puchased an AR/AK/shotgun pistol did it for the accuracy? Everyone that has a semiauto or full auto firearm of any type has at one time or another wanted to do this. If you never have, then you need to just walk out to pasture and wait for the vultures. :)

I'm appalled at the number of gun owners that think that guns are not supposed to be fun and should only be for hunting or self defense... or my favorite: bear protection... or for firing at little pieces of paper using a traditional sight picture. What about speed shooting competitions, cowboy action shooting, trick shots, or just plain fun?

My only practical reason for owning firearms is my constitutionally protected right... and I'm not talking about the second amendment. I'm referring to the pursuit of happiness. And because of it, I'll also advocate for YOUR rights to shoot pieces of paper in a robotic and repetitive manner and to protect yourself from bears. So how about some mutually beneficial support and understanding of our common ground, here?

browneu
August 2, 2011, 09:22 PM
I see some young adults having fun. I've been swept by people who were more methodical on their movements.

I wouldn't leave if they were next to me.

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Nushif
August 2, 2011, 09:25 PM
I wouldn't leave if they were next to me.

Me neither.

scythefwd
August 2, 2011, 09:33 PM
Everyone bashing the ROTC guy... I was taught to keep my weapons UP and downrange. Dont take but a degree of cant to be down range with the weapon pointed up. He was doing as he was trained... don't blame him, blame the training.

I always thought that it was moronic that they wanted the weapons up and down range. Pointed into the dirt and more down range than down would be safer in most instances. A weapon held at 45 degrees above parallel would shoot further than one held 45 degrees below parallel (the ricochets are a problem then).

Vec
August 2, 2011, 09:49 PM
I looked at the video trying hard to find real safety violations... I saw clumsiness. I saw immaturity. I didn't really see anything related to safety. A hot muzzle (not known safe) muzzle never swept anyone. Was it the way I would do it? No... but like people said before, that's the way they were trained.

On eyes and ears: They are for your personal safety, not the safety of everyone else around you. What you choose to your body is really up to you. They're your eyes and ears... if you really don't like them then that's your choice... Sunbathing can give you skin cancer if you don't put on sunblock. People, for better or worse, do that every day.

Would I leave if I were next to them? No. I'd wait to clean up their brass first. :D

seanie!
August 3, 2011, 01:58 AM
Well, for starters, they wore no safety gear for their ears of their eyes, so that's 2 automatic violations for every shot fired.
@1:15 visible ear protection on guy with shotgun
@1:35 visible ear protection on guy with ROTC shirt
It stands to reason that the guy with the beanie hat is also wearing hearing protection but it's obscured by his hat. I'm assuming though, and we all know what happens when you assume.
If you were at the range with these individuals would you stay and shoot? Or would you pack it up and leave? I really find it difficult to believe that you all find this practice of open firing into the woods without targets, swearing, banging guns atop another, loading a companions gun for him and jumping to the side while plugging your ears in front of the fire line normal range behavior.
They're shooting at a berm. At 3:22 you can see several things littering said berm. They may be shooting at them, or they may just be shooting at the berm and making noise. I didn't know that there was an unwritten law about not being able to do that. I also didn't see anyone banging guns atop one another. Are you talking about when he rested his Mosin on his AK? I've seen plenty of videos of Mosins and AKs with much worse done to them. As far as swearing? I swear like a sailor. Is it okay because I always wear eyes and ears, and don't use my guns as rests? Or should I not be able to shoot at a public range either?

Soapy5
August 3, 2011, 04:09 AM
Wow some of you guys are seriously overreacting. I watched the video expecting something along the lines of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwdP__LQ8ms (mechanical failures and scope eyes aside, some of these people made me duck from behind my monitor :eek:), but all I saw were a couple of dudes having a fun day at the range. Yes they were a bit rough around the edges but they made sure to clear their weapons, check their safeties, and keep loaded weapons pointed up or down range. Speaking of which, imo it is perfectly ok to point a hot weapon up; yes the bullet will eventually come down, and a tiny risk of hitting someone exists in case of a ND/AD, but a rifle pointed down also has a risk of having the bullet ricochet and hitting someone on the way back up and down.

Also, all three are wearing ear protection, including the beanie cap guy. you can see the red connecting cable coming out of his ears 26 seconds in.

RX-178
August 3, 2011, 04:35 AM
Would I leave if these guys were on the range with me?

Nope.

ObsidianOne
August 3, 2011, 06:21 AM
These guys should not be allowed to own firearms. Complete disregard for everyone in the area, laying guns on the bench pointing towards the guy next to them etc.

I laughed so hard when the guy went to shoot the 91/30 at ~2:00. Has he ever SEEN someone even shoot a rifle?
Anyone else find it that much funnier when you noticed he's wearing an Army ROTC shirt?

Yo Mama
August 3, 2011, 09:02 AM
I find it very interesting that the video doesn't accept comments. :(

Russ Jackson
August 3, 2011, 10:46 AM
I guess I am the one in the wrong here as you all feell like this is safe respectful behavior at the range. Its all fun and games until someone gets hurt. If I ever acted like this on a range my Father would have made it impossible to ever shoot a gun again. I am a firm believer of being organized and prepared at the range at all times. Sounds like I am in the minority. Poor Male Role Models is what has made this acceptable. If I saw a video of my Son or Daughter acting and talking like this we would have a serious problem. Nobody cares about anyone else anymore it all about me and my freedom to act like a tool. ...Russ

mod60rimfire
August 3, 2011, 10:56 AM
I am in IL and was planning on going to this range.
NEVERMIND

M-Cameron
August 3, 2011, 11:12 AM
I guess I am the one in the wrong here as you all feell like this is safe respectful behavior at the range. Its all fun and games until someone gets hurt. If I ever acted like this on a range my Father would have made it impossible to ever shoot a gun again. I am a firm believer of being organized and prepared at the range at all times. Sounds like I am in the minority. Poor Male Role Models is what has made this acceptable. If I saw a video of my Son or Daughter acting and talking like this we would have a serious problem. Nobody cares about anyone else anymore it all about me and my freedom to act like a tool. ...Russ

theyre kids having fun.......theyre probably not formal shooters.....probably not even semi-serious shooters....they most likely get out once a month or so and enjoy themselves...

There were no serious safety violations.....no one in immediate danger.......

and this is a gun forum....not a parenting forum......if you want to discuss how these rotten teenagers have no respect anymore.....im sure there are a dozen other internet forums where people would be thrilled to discuss it.......

but as far as gun safety goes......the infractions for the most part were very minor.



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Cosmoline
August 3, 2011, 12:34 PM
ou all feell like this is safe respectful behavior at the range

I would say there are some slack practices going on that need to be remedied. But the remedy for unsafe practices is education, not personal attacks. It's a good practice to keep the benched weapons pointed downrange and to observe and respect a set firing line unless you're going to be doing moving drills.

High hip firing is OK if you can be sure of hitting your target and won't be throwing rounds over the backstop. I've hip fired a blunderbuss at short range before, which is actually how they were fired back in the day. I've also done hip firing with the M91 Mosin. At close range, with practice, one can achieve handgun-level accuracy with this method. And it has utility when using a long barreled rifle in close quarters.

Guns should never be pointed into the sky.

The rule at the ranges I frequent is that uncased firearms must ALWAYS be pointed at the sky. Not the ground. The sky isn't going to get hurt in an ND, but feet and legs can be.

Russ Jackson
August 3, 2011, 03:13 PM
M-Cameron

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I guess I am the one in the wrong here as you all feell like this is safe respectful behavior at the range. Its all fun and games until someone gets hurt. If I ever acted like this on a range my Father would have made it impossible to ever shoot a gun again. I am a firm believer of being organized and prepared at the range at all times. Sounds like I am in the minority. Poor Male Role Models is what has made this acceptable. If I saw a video of my Son or Daughter acting and talking like this we would have a serious problem. Nobody cares about anyone else anymore it all about me and my freedom to act like a tool. ...Russ

theyre kids having fun.......theyre probably not formal shooters.....probably not even semi-serious shooters....they most likely get out once a month or so and enjoy themselves...

There were no serious safety violations.....no one in immediate danger.......

and this is a gun forum....not a parenting forum......if you want to discuss how these rotten teenagers have no respect anymore.....im sure there are a dozen other internet forums where people would be thrilled to discuss it.......

but as far as gun safety goes......the infractions for the most part were very minor.



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M-Cameron you are correct this is not a parenting forum. It is The High Road. And the language alone should not have been allowed on the site and the post and the video should be removed. I certainly would not let my children watch or listen to the video. If my view of the actions at the range offended anyone I appologize. It was never my intent. The way I was raised to respect others, guns, the range, safety, ears and eyes is wrong. But I wont change.....Russ

Sam1911
August 3, 2011, 03:23 PM
Enough already. I don't think anyone here condones any of the things those kids were doing. We seem to be arguing "how bad is bad?"

I don't see the point in absorbing our attention with this, here. If you haven't seen bad gun-handling before, well, consider yourself lucky. Some anonymous kids goofing off and making a few safety blunders (even if we can't quite agree which ones) is hardly news, can't be helped by anything we do or decide here, and isn't really much of a discussion topic.

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