Interesting waiting period discussion in Gettysburg


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Jeff H
July 31, 2011, 04:27 PM
So I was out visiting the Gettysburg battlefield recently, and afterwards we went into town because the wife wanted to do some shopping. While she went from one store to another, I noticed a little gun store that had civil war repro guns and wondered in.

It was a neat little store with quite a few non firing replicas and and more than a couple of real muzzle loaders and a few over priced Uberti cap and ball revolvers. I struck up a discussion with the clerk about if the muzzle loaders were all clasified as antiques or if any of them in the store were still classified as firearms. The response I got was rather humorous.

"These guns fall under a loophole in the law since they are models of old guns, you don't even need to have the 45 day waiting period for these, just sign the form on the wall, and out the door you go."

I of course inquired about this mysterious waiting period and the clerk said: " Of course there is a waiting period for REAL, guns. You don't just think you can walk in to a store and guy a GUN do you...

I explained (a little sarcasticly)that wasn't aware that Pennsylvania had such strict gun laws, but that it certainly wasn't that way in most places. That is when the guy said the best part with such utter certainty that I just said ok and walked out. He said "Oh, it isn't our state, it is FEDERAL, and that is the case everywhere!."

It really is sad that some people are so misinformed. This guy was so dead serious as well, there was no trying to talk him out of it.

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CapnMac
July 31, 2011, 06:18 PM
There's an apt quote--which, naturally, I cannot now remember--about the only thing more worrying about ignorance is the certainty of the ignorant, that applies here, I think.

Danb1215
July 31, 2011, 06:39 PM
Obviously the 45 day waiting period isn't the case and federal waiting period doesn't exist, does PA have a waiting period at all?

Vern Humphrey
July 31, 2011, 06:53 PM
There are many psychological studies that show ignorant, incompetent people are what they are because they are too ignorant and incompetent to know what they are.

ATBackPackin
July 31, 2011, 06:58 PM
Obviously the 45 day waiting period isn't the case and federal waiting period doesn't exist, does PA have a waiting period at all?
There is no waiting period in PA. This person was seriously misinformed.

Shawn

tangomike706
July 31, 2011, 07:04 PM
The only wait in PA, is for the form to be filled out and the insta-check . It takes you longer to walk from your car to the counter, than it does to complete the purchase . (Sometimes lol)

browneu
July 31, 2011, 09:18 PM
As sad as this guy is misinformed I notice quite a bit of bad information out there. The list below are some of the half truths and misinformation.

You have to have a license to own a gun.

All guns are in a national registry.

Machine guns are illegal to own.

The Second Amendment only applies to hunting and is outdated.

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Mike1234567
July 31, 2011, 09:36 PM
My guess is the salesman didn't know and the store owner told all his employees to say this to try to sell more replicas.

dogtown tom
July 31, 2011, 11:52 PM
Don't be so quick to point out the ignorance of that shopowner when right here on this very forum are folks equally ignorant of Federal gun laws.

I have had a surprising number of customers believe:
-that their Texas CHL means they don't have to fill out a 4473 (Anyone in the U.S. acquiring a gun from a licensed dealer is required to do so)
- that they can only buy long guns in the states that border their own. (the "contiguous state" rule disappeared years ago))
-shipping ammunition with the gun is okay. (it's a felony)
-that the Form 4473 "registers" the gun in their name. (It doesn't)
-that a gun they bought off GunBroker and transfer through a dealer cannot ever have been stolen. (dealers have no more access to the NCIC than the actors on CSI do)
-That "unregistered" guns are illegal. (there is no Federal gun registration and only a handful of states register guns)
-that they can give their father/son/daughter/brother/etc who is not a resident of this state, a gun as a Christmas gift when they come to visit. (it's a felony)

With "gun guys" that ignorant of Federal firearms law....how in the world can we expect the general public to be as knowledgeable?

People form a lot of their "knowledge" about guns from television, movies and video games. Unfortunately some of that information is slightly inaccurate.:rolleyes:

I was asked tonight at the soccer game about "all the machine guns going to Mexico". When I explained how expensive and how highly regulated the ownership of a machine gun is in this country the guy looked like a kid does when they find out there is no Santa Claus. :D

Cop Bob
August 1, 2011, 12:55 PM
I was asked tonight at the soccer game about "all the machine guns going to Mexico". When I explained how expensive and how highly regulated the ownership of a machine gun is in this country the guy looked like a kid does when they find out there is no Santa Claus.

WHHHAAAATT.........!!!!!!!!!!!! NO Santa Clause...????????? My life is over...

Double Vision
August 1, 2011, 01:15 PM
I'm thinking this guy wanted to sell a gun that day.
A less informed buyer might have swallowed his 45-day line.

merlinfire
August 1, 2011, 01:18 PM
He probably was referring to how long it takes to load

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Mike1234567
August 1, 2011, 01:20 PM
^^^ LOL!!

dmickey
August 2, 2011, 04:48 PM
Reminds me of the Colt Museum that used to be in
Gettysburg. People were told they were buying blank-firing replicas. They came to Reddings to purchase the "blanks." The only trouble was that they had bought a replica alright, with a percussion cap, powder and ball they had a live pistol! :eek: They then proceeded to return the pistol for a refund. It never ceased to amaze me what misinformation was given to people.

goon
August 2, 2011, 05:07 PM
As noted, unless something goes wrong during the instant check, there is no waiting period to buy a gun in PA.

In a way, the guy was right about BP firearms though. Guns that don't use fixed cartridge ammunition - along with anything made before 1898 - aren't classed as "firearms" and can be bought, sold, and shipped almost as easily as anything you could buy on ebay. I think guns that use obsolete ammunition that can't be found through regular channels also fit into this category.

Sam1911
August 3, 2011, 09:06 PM
Do you remember which shop it was? Might have to stop in for a chat ... er, giggle.

I believe Reddings back on Washington St. is the only real "gun shop" (FFL) in town. Next time stop in and check out their "ceiling of handguns." Never seen anyone do that before. :)

Jeff H
August 3, 2011, 11:18 PM
Do you remember which shop it was? Might have to stop in for a chat ... er, giggle.


Downtown Gettysburg right at the Y in the road where Rt 15 ( I think) comes in. The store had the word Armory in the name, but I can't recall the exact name. Not a block frm the O'Rorke resturant where we had lunch.

Sam1911
August 4, 2011, 07:39 AM
Oh, sure. I know right where you mean. South of downtown, where 134 and old 15 meet. Thanks!

M-Cameron
August 4, 2011, 08:57 AM
"These guns fall under a loophole in the law since they are models of old guns, you don't even need to have the 45 day waiting period for these, just sign the form on the wall, and out the door you go."


yeah man....youve got to watch out for this loophole........being able to buy guns without a background check or anything.......gangs are catching on quick.

i got mugged about a week ago by some thug wearing a powdered wig wielding a musketoon.......he then muttered something about me being a "tory and uneducated gentleman of the lowest moral character" and ran off.........




I of course inquired about this mysterious waiting period and the clerk said: " Of course there is a waiting period for REAL, guns. You don't just think you can walk in to a store and guy a GUN do you...

i bet his mind would have imploded if you told him about a C&R

SSN Vet
August 4, 2011, 01:33 PM
“To know that you do not know is the best. To pretend to know when you do not know is a disease.”
-Lao-Tzu

Standing Wolf
August 4, 2011, 04:17 PM
He probably was referring to how long it takes to load

Well said, merlinfire!

There are three kinds of people: those who learn from other's mistakes, those who learn from their own, and those who never learn.

There are two kinds of people: those who divide humanity into tidy categories, and those with more sense.

Vern Humphrey
August 4, 2011, 06:42 PM
There are three kinds of people: those who learn from other's mistakes, those who learn from their own, and those who never learn.
Or as Will Rogers put it, "There are three kinds of people: those who learn from books, those who learn from other's mistakes, and those who have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.":p

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