Gun thoughts from Cowboy & Aliens


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Ray P
July 31, 2011, 10:17 PM
Did anybody watching this film notice the SAA the Harrison Ford character was using? The movie was set in 1873, but how likely is it that pistol would already be available in the civilian market that year?

There were some nice-looking Colt Navys, and a top-break S&W, but that one SAA seemed a bit early if only by a few months.

Also, did anyone get a good look at the lever gun used near the end?

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ColtPythonElite
July 31, 2011, 10:18 PM
Eh, I slept thru half the movie. I found it too bad to want to pay attention to who was carrying what.

M-Cameron
July 31, 2011, 10:33 PM
heres a tip......

unless it is a diehard historical piece......a director/ producer/ prop master.....will ALWAYS sacrifice historical fact for the sake of film aesthetics.

Ray P
July 31, 2011, 10:34 PM
Luckily for me I stayed awake. I'd have felt bad paying full ticket price for a one-hour nap :-)

And even on a diehard historical piece, there are a few anachronisms that slide through. Guess I thought this one came closer than most.

ColtPythonElite
July 31, 2011, 10:35 PM
I paid $3.50.

El Mariachi
July 31, 2011, 10:39 PM
So Mrs. Lincoln(s), how was the movie?....

Weevil
July 31, 2011, 10:40 PM
Did anybody watching this film notice the SAA the Harrison Ford character was using? The movie was set in 1873, but how likely is it that pistol would already be available in the civilian market that year?


Maybe he won it in a poker game with a cavalry officer.

Diggers
July 31, 2011, 11:38 PM
:confused: Didn't "James Bond" have some laser thingy attached to his wrist and was being attacked by aliens in space ships in this movie?

I don't think the issue of if a certain revolver was available to the public in 1873 is on my list of questions about this movie. Heck I want to know if that wrist laser thingy is available NOW! :D

ZombieKiller57
August 1, 2011, 12:32 AM
He was a military officer at one time maybe he kept it when he left

lono
August 1, 2011, 12:35 AM
The guns had no recoil when fired, I know they are blanks but act like it kicks.

Jorg Nysgerrig
August 1, 2011, 12:54 AM
Let me see if I follow this. In a movie about aliens invading the old West, the part that struck you as fanciful was gun being used that might not have been widely available at the time?

usmarine0352_2005
August 1, 2011, 12:58 AM
Jorg, hahaha.

+1

Carter
August 1, 2011, 12:59 AM
Its a movie, enjoy it for what it is. Now if he had a glock, then I'd be annoyed.

Heck maybe he knew a guy who knows a guy who works at the factory =p

Its also Harrison Ford...do not question his greatness!

FIVETWOSEVEN
August 1, 2011, 01:07 AM
Heck maybe he knew a guy who knows a guy who works at the factory =p

Reminds me of the video game Call of Duty Black Ops. Game takes place in the 60s yet there are weapons in it from the 80s. The makers excuse for horrible anachronisms? They're Black Ops, they get everything before everyone else which apparently includes the designers of the weapons also.

XM855
August 1, 2011, 01:13 AM
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Cowboys_%26_Aliens

Dnaltrop
August 1, 2011, 01:38 AM
Colt had been chomping at the bit of S&Ws rights to the Rollin White patent for ages,

Maybe he's just a savvy early adopter of the "newfangled" pistols with the loading gate?

Any Schofields show up? Other guns with Conversion Cylinders?

cane
August 1, 2011, 09:11 AM
There were a couple of cap n ball colt revolvers, at least 1 open top, a S&W "Russian" and a Spencer carbine. Also a couple of neat "Bowie" knives.

roadchoad
August 1, 2011, 09:31 AM
What really got me was that the aliens were flying early 1900 period ships! What a crock! :D

CraigC
August 1, 2011, 10:27 AM
Alien invasion aside, Open Tops were available but even though the Single Action Army (hint) was adopted in late 1872, it was not available to the civilian market until a few years later.

They have been doing a lot better with the guns used in westerns over the last 10-15yrs or so. They're going to a lot more effort to get them right and to at least have some variety. We're seeing a lot more cartridge conversions too.

303tom
August 1, 2011, 10:35 AM
It`s a damn movie not a documentary !!!!!!!!!

Arkansas Paul
August 1, 2011, 10:37 AM
Olivia Wilde was in it. I could care less about the guns.

Zach S
August 1, 2011, 11:05 AM
Its a movie, enjoy it for what it is. Now if he had a glock, then I'd be annoyed.
Agreed.

One thing I like about westerns is my lack of knowledge when it comes to period-correct firearms. So, unless they're using something like a glock, it doesn't get on my nerves.

Carl N. Brown
August 1, 2011, 11:30 AM
A lot of Westerns (and even "Easterns" like "Zulu" (Webleys substituted for Adams revolvers because it seems nobody had a blank-firing Adams)) tend to use whatever is in the studio armory that (a) looks old and (b) fires blanks.

I do give kudos to movies that try for a little authenticity. Even if its just a Yellow Boy 1866 without forearm standing in for a Henry. Beats some movie I saw set in the 1850s (pre-Civil War) that had everyone using '92 winchesters and '73 colts.

(Watch some old pirate movies and you see Trapdoor Springfields used for muskets and sawn-off and restocked used for muzzleloader pistols.)

I am tempted to consult the books of Charles Fort for the proper UFO for that era.

Cosmoline
August 1, 2011, 12:44 PM
The guns had no recoil when fired

Hmm. Sounds like they may have dumped the blanks and just gone with CGI or these propane guns that the insurance companies like. They give a little blast of flame without the pressure wave (or recoil)

Mike1234567
August 1, 2011, 07:59 PM
Contrasting genre movies are kewl.

Doubting Thomas
August 2, 2011, 12:32 AM
Frankly the movie was so bad I didn't care what was being used. I knew it was going to be downhill when the punk gunslinger and the girl wearing the low-slung gunbelt showed up.

Just pray there won't be a sequel.

GW
August 2, 2011, 01:55 AM
Did you notice how the arrows seemed to hurt the aliens so much more than the pistol shots?
Very disappointing movie over all

addedpulp
August 2, 2011, 02:09 AM
Did anybody watching this film notice the SAA the Harrison Ford character was using? The movie was set in 1873, but how likely is it that pistol would already be available in the civilian market that year?

There were some nice-looking Colt Navys, and a top-break S&W, but that one SAA seemed a bit early if only by a few months.

Also, did anyone get a good look at the lever gun used near the end?

I noticed Harrison carrying the SAA. I thought it was a nice touch. Most characters had breaktops or black powder, and his character, a rich man with a military history, had a very expensive modern gun. Made sense to me.


Let me see if I follow this. In a movie about aliens invading the old West, the part that struck you as fanciful was gun being used that might not have been widely available at the time?

I think excuses like this are silly. I'm a filmmaker and a film nerd, and there's one gimme in every script. Sometimes it's big, sometimes it's not. This one was neccessary for the story, and in the title. If you went to see Batman and suddenly he could fly, you'd take issue with it, despite it not being realistic overall. If you went to see Alien and Sigourney was suddenly telekinetic, again, it wouldn't fit the context of the movie. Pick your battles.


What really got me was that the aliens were flying early 1900 period ships! What a crock! :D

Sorry, we had crazy spine-shaped arachnaplanes in the early 1900s?

If you're referencing the fact that they were in FLIGHT, at all, and we didn't have flight until the early 1900s, check your source material. Sci-fi Westerns and steampunk Westerns aren't new, and they ALWAYS reference future technology and it's creation with early adaptations. Wild Wild West (the TV show, and the film) had all kinds of crazy new inventions, mostly steam powered. Brisco County Jr was always referencing future technology and cultural trends. Hell, even Eastwood made a makeshift bullet proof vest in A Fistful of Dollars, and used multiple cylinders for a black powder revolver like speedloaders in Pale Rider.


Did you notice how the arrows seemed to hurt the aliens so much more than the pistol shots?
Very disappointing movie over all

We pointed that out. Honestly, when there's no telling when a round hits and when it doesn't, it's almost quantifiable. They rarely showed bullets even impacting, at least you know exactly where a spear hit because you can see it in motion.

I genuinely enjoyed the movie. It wasn't too serious, but not too campy, and the performances were all great. It was a good, fun summer B movie, and I don't know why so many took issue with it. I've seen FAR worse films that are much higher regarded, especially summer blockbusters.

scaatylobo
August 2, 2011, 08:54 AM
Sorry but I go to a movie to be entertained and that was THE reason for this visit [ last night ].

I am retired LEO and take LOTS of issue with cop stuff done badly in a movie or TV.

But as to a western that is filmed with aliens,guess I can allow my firearms knowledge to not get in the way.

After all ,we all know that if that did happen there would be evidence and photo's of it even to this day.

So get over yourselves and either enjoy or not.

Me = enjoyed it and ordered the book on the Nook already.

AND the knife stuff was cool.

Ed4032
August 2, 2011, 08:56 AM
I heard that it was a true story. It really happened in New Mexico around 1856. It has to be true because I read it on the internet.

El Mariachi
August 2, 2011, 12:35 PM
Any of you here remember this most excellent tv show from the 80's? The Missus and I were very unhappy when the cancelled it.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIPaUB9M1Xc

CraigC
August 2, 2011, 01:35 PM
It`s a damn movie not a documentary !!!!!!!!!
W g a f.....So get over yourselves and either enjoy or not.

Somehow I get the feeling that 'some' are taking this discussion too seriously. IMHO, it's not a serious discussion. I never hold this sort of thing against a movie but do enjoy discussion about it. I'll take any excuse I can get to talk about guns. So let's talk about guns, not whether or not we should.

Dave Workman
August 2, 2011, 01:41 PM
Picky Picky Picky....
:neener:

If I want period correctness, I go to a museum or a rondy or something

If I want to be entertained, I watch a movie...or a congressional hearing.

Dnaltrop
August 2, 2011, 02:10 PM
Damn I completely forgot about Brisco County Jr.... that show was an utter hoot.

Bruce Campbell is still 'the man'... Burn notice has been a good fit for him.

GW
August 2, 2011, 02:45 PM
We pointed that out. Honestly, when there's no telling when a round hits and when it doesn't, it's almost quantifiable. They rarely showed bullets even impacting, at least you know exactly where a spear hit because you can see it in motion.


It's a Western!!!:banghead:
The good guys never miss when it matters so they were ALL hits and I must say-- less effective than arrows.

roadchoad
August 2, 2011, 04:00 PM
Sorry, we had crazy spine-shaped arachnaplanes in the early 1900s?

If you're referencing the fact that they were in FLIGHT, at all, and we didn't have flight until the early 1900s, check your source material. Sci-fi Westerns and steampunk Westerns aren't new, and they ALWAYS reference future technology and it's creation with early adaptations. Wild Wild West (the TV show, and the film) had all kinds of crazy new inventions, mostly steam powered. Brisco County Jr was always referencing future technology and cultural trends. Hell, even Eastwood made a makeshift bullet proof vest in A Fistful of Dollars, and used multiple cylinders for a black powder revolver like speedloaders in Pale Rider.


:rolleyes: If I have to explain the joke...

Justin
August 2, 2011, 04:24 PM
This thread deals more with Hollywood and movies than it does with advancing the causes of good marksmanship and the right to keep and bear arms.

As such, it's not really on topic here.

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