Does anyone have any first hand experience with the Taurus PT22 auto loader? I have a chance to pick up one at a decent price and don't know anything about them. The flip up barrel is kinda spooky, and that's how you load the first round???
I also looked at the Phoenix HP22. From what I have read these things are very reliable and accurate in spite of there inexpensive price and are built well.....except for the goofy double, triple safety thing.
Any feed back on these would be appreciated
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July 31, 2011, 10:58 PM
You don't have to load the first round that way; it's just an option for those with slide-racking issues. Many of the little Berettas have that feature, too. I don't have the Taurus, so I cannot comment firsthand.
I do have the HP-22A, and it is a dandy little gun. However, the multiple safety thingies are kind of awkward. Also, to unload the gun, you have to remove the magazine and empty and re-insert it it to clear the chamber, or use a second empty magazine.
If you're considering this as a carry weapon, the Phoenix, while a darn good shooter, is remarkably heavy. Mine's fun to shoot, though.
The Taurus is a double-action/single-action gun. The Phoenix is single-action only.
July 31, 2011, 11:05 PM
The Taurus PT 22, like the Beretta it copies, does not have an extractor. In case of a FTF you can flip up the barrel and shake out the bad cartridge ( very rare occurrence ) It can also be used to load and unload the round in the chamber with out racking the slide. Not really a deal breaker and better than the Phoenix IMHO.
July 31, 2011, 11:30 PM
I've got a PT22. I use the tip-up barrel to load the first round because the slide on mine is really tough to pull back. I don't care for the magazine disconnect but I know it's another safety feature. I'm accurate with mine out to 10 yards. Perfect reliability with high velocity, but it's picky.
July 31, 2011, 11:58 PM
Well...I had one... and when the slide blew off at the range shooting standard pressure 22's... I sent it back to Taurus they fixed it and I immediately traded it off. Until that failure it was awesome.
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August 1, 2011, 12:03 AM
I use the tip-up barrel to load the first round because the slide on mine is really tough to pull back.
+1 on that. I let a friend shoot mine, and he thought it was broken because he couldn't rack the slide. It's that hard. The spring is a $&*@^ and there's hardly anything to grab onto.
Other than that, I like mine. I wouldn't rely on it as a carry gun, but it's fun for shooting cans and such.
August 1, 2011, 12:11 AM
I had one, but the darn thing was unreliable to boot with numerous FTE's and FTF's. It was a nice looking gun though, but that particular pistol left a bad taste in my mouth. I sold it off to a gun shop at a loss, but I didn't want to keep an unreliable gun.
However, I may have just gotten a lemon, so the one you get might be great. YMMV.
August 1, 2011, 12:13 AM
Wow, your slide blew off at the range too! I wasnt going to mention that, but if I'm not the only one it happened too then I dont feel so bad.
August 1, 2011, 04:28 AM
That's odd because that's the first time I've heard the slide blow off. Can't do that unless things are put together sloppily which means the store who sold it and the user did not check the gun over prior to use.
I own two PT22's and come from where the majority of PT-22 owners have never had that happen and the Pt-22s have given sterling service.
My first PT-22 is over 20 years old and still running strong. The newest one is only a few years old and has no problems.
No hypervelocity rounds are supposed to be used with the PT-22 or Beretta 21A. A lot of people out there either ignore that completely or never read the manual that comes with the gun.
My PT-22s like CCI Mini-Mags and Remington Golden bullets.
I like the Beretta 21A and the Taurus. I just like having the DAO only trigger for each shot. That way ther is no need to get used to the DA first shot and then the single shot after that.
August 1, 2011, 09:54 AM
I had one, and it was a fine gun, no memorable problems. It was however a gun with no purpose for me. I have better .22 target/plinkers, better small carry guns, etc. I traded mine off and never missed it.
August 1, 2011, 10:14 AM
PT22 Taurus...any good?
In a word, NO. My wife wanted one so she bought it. You can't load the magazines to capacity, it won't shoot more than a few rounds without jamming, it would fire with the lock engaged when we bought it, and its been back to Taurus twice with no resolution. I avoid Taurus products for the simple fact they even sell a piece of garbage like this. Get the Beretta, don't buy the Taurus.
August 1, 2011, 10:01 PM
Weregunner, I admit that my issues with the slide may have been due to user error, i only mentioned it after I saw that another user had the same problem. User error would not have caused the FTE's and FTF's though.
However it may be a fine gun, but i disliked the amount of jamming it did more than the one issue with the slide. I personally was unhappy with the gun, but YMMV.
August 2, 2011, 06:29 AM
I'll cover the jamming issue to a degree. It a known documented many times fact that especially small guns are ammo specific and finicky.
Many types of ammo have to be tried to find out what works and doesn't.
Most people have found out the CCI rounds work well as well as various Remington rounds.
August 2, 2011, 11:05 AM
well, i never ran any hyper ammo in mine, just mini mags. after it came back, i never trusted it again.
August 2, 2011, 01:02 PM
I have an HP22 an love it for its accuracy and reliability (with fresh recoil spring). The gripe I have is it eats a recoil spring every 500 or so rounds. However, Phoenix Arms will send you new ones free, the lifetime warranty. It's SO accurate for a pocket gun, I use it as a kit gun, take along when fishing or outdoors. I don't carry it for a CCW, have bigger calibers in better guns for that.
I don't like the tip ups. Had a Beretta and it was a total POS, jamamatic. I thought I could make it feed, but I was wrong, sold it at a gun show to a dealer. The Taurus is a similar design, so I have just not ever been interested after that Beretta burned me.
There is NO pocket sized .22 on the market that can out shoot the little HP22, not that I've found. Yeah, it's a might heavy, but not all THAT bad. I carry it in a back pocket homemade wallet holster when fishing or just outdoors as a plinker, small game getter, etc. I have other kit guns I like to shoot better, but they don't fit in a pocket. That's why I keep it around. Kinda neat lookin' gun, too. :D
Get the Beretta, don't buy the Taurus.
One of the biggest POSs I ever owned was that Beretta. I'll pass, thanks. It's the design, I'm convinced, not the maker. I don't like Beretta handguns, anyway, but especially the 21A and other little crappy .22s they offer. The Neos is a bigger gun, but it's just plain Buck Rodgers/Hans Solo fugly. Their shotguns are another matter. ;)
August 2, 2011, 10:37 PM
Mine went back to factory 2 times for light strikes I got tired of click about 3 or 4 times than bang Plastic grips broke factory replaced the grips polished feed ramp and sent back Same thing click click bang . I sold it bought a Beretta 21 love it and bought a 2nd Now my girls can both be shooting and not worring about who turn. The Beretta's have been very reliable I shot CCI standard velocity LRN in them . That end of my Taurus experiment . 2 out of 3 have been bad. I have 5 KelTecs that all work fine
August 3, 2011, 01:14 PM
I had one and took it out with my other 22's and lots of ammo to see what it liked best. Oddly, it performed very well with cheap Win. Wildcat ammo. While it was reliable, accuracy wasn't anything to brag about. It shot low and to the left. If I adjusted my aim and shot at the top of the target, I could hit bullseyes with it.
August 3, 2011, 05:15 PM
I know it ain't in the OP as a choice, but doesn't Bersa make a .22? I once had a Star Mod F used that was neat, but bigger than the little pocket guns. I've never been interested in the Walther little pocket .22, either, heard all sorts of bad reports on those and they're kinda expensive for what they are, anyway. I think for the money, I'll stick with my little HP22 even though I admit I'd rather have a higher quality gun. It's just that it shoots better than the higher quality guns of its type and it's proven to be quite reliable. :D
August 3, 2011, 05:24 PM
No, I have one and desperately want to get rid of it. VERY unreliable and basically a useless gun. I bought mine b/c it was a good deal but it's really not worth much. Had to send it back after the first day of firing because the trigger would not reset on it's own.
August 3, 2011, 05:31 PM
I know it ain't in the OP as a choice, but doesn't Bersa make a .22?
That's a Firestorm.
I've never tried one, but they get pretty good reviews from people that have them.
August 3, 2011, 09:06 PM
I don't like the tip ups. Had a Beretta and it was a total POS, jamamatic. I thought I could make it feed, but I was wrong, sold it at a gun show to a dealer. . . .
One of the biggest POSs I ever owned was that Beretta. I'll pass, thanks. It's the design, I'm convinced, not the maker.
That's my experience exactly with my Beretta 21. I still have it after many, many years and I have done many things to it including replacing parts. Solid point Mini-Mags were the most reliable reaching all time highs of 50 rounds without jamming, but it's down to a mag or two now.
Regarding the Bersa Thunder 22 or the Firestorm 22, I think it is a fantastic .22 handgun (not counting moving up to a Ruger MK class of gun). The Bersa still needs premium ammo for the first few hundred rounds but it will eat up some bulk ammo after that.
August 3, 2011, 09:24 PM
After reading that Firestorm test, I think I want one. It's bigger than pocket sized, but small on the hip. Of course, I have my revolver for a hip carry outdoors. But, check out this quote from the article, runs shot for shot with the HP22 for accuracy and ain't very expensive and all steel gun or steel/alloy, not zinc. I will keep the HP22 if I get it, though.
The pistol proved to be plenty accurate for a gun of its type, keeping all shots within three inches at twenty-five yards,
August 3, 2011, 10:54 PM
Here's some more reading. Same source. http://www.gunblast.com/Bersa-Thunder22.htm
August 4, 2011, 02:00 AM
Worst jam-o-matic I ever owned was a PT-22.
Couldn't make it through a mag without at least one and usually more jams. Sent it in and they sent it back with a new mag. Still jammed up on any and all ammo and now the safety would come on when I was firing. I also noticed the frame was starting to mushroom on the edges and showing signs of battering from the slide.
I traded it off and wouldn't take another one if you gave it to me.
August 4, 2011, 03:44 AM
my pt22 took several trips to the range, adjusting mag lips, to get it to feed...taurus warented cracked grips and broken barrel release...would i buy an other ...probably not...gary
August 4, 2011, 05:57 AM
I loved my HP22 and it was completely reliable until it cracked the frame at about 3k rounds. The company recommends that you use only standard velocity ammo in it but it doesn't matter much, (I only used Rem standard vel.) you're unlikely to get more than 3k rounds through it without some sort of part failure. If you get one make sure to get a brand new one with warranty, that company will always make it right as I've found out from experience but a bunch of guys over at the Bryco-Jimenez forums have had the problem with the frame cracking in the same spot. If you shoot it alot it won't last but mine always worked well up until it gave out.
The finish isn't great and will show alot of wear if you carry it alot, the safeties aren't too bad after you learn them, disassembly is difficult at first but once you get it down you can take it down and put it back together in 20 seconds. It was a decent gun for $170 including an extra mag and both barrels, they're a bit higher now though I think. The barrel changes very quickly and can be ordered from Phoenix for $20 if you don't get the kit.
I know next to nothing about the PT22 other than the trigger isn't good on them, I believe that they're also a zamak gun so they are likely to have a limited life like the HP22.
August 4, 2011, 07:48 AM
The Taurus and the Beretta have aluminum alloy frames and steel elsewhere. The new Taurus PLY22 has a polymer frame. Like MCGunner mentioned, it's the design (not necessarily the materials) that makes these guns not as good as they could be (IMO).
August 4, 2011, 06:47 PM
Well, I checked out the firestorm/bersa today. It's about $340 at a LGS nearby which is a little overpriced on most of their stuff. I bet one could find it for under 300. Anyway, it's larger than I'd reckoned on, not really pocketable and I have preferred belt kit guns, main one being my Rossi 511 Sportsman 6 shot 4" adjustable sighted kit gun in stainless. I love that thing. God knows how many rounds has been put through it and it shoots under 2" with about anything at 25 yards and puts the accurate stuff near an inch, single action of course. The DA is pretty rough. But, being a field gun, I care less about DA on it. So, I may get a Bersa/Firestorm some day if I find a deal at a gun show or something and the whim comes back, but for now, I've managed to curve the desires. :D The Phoenix Arms HP22 remains the most accurate pocket sized .22 auto I've ever had experience with. It may be zinc, but it sure is a shooter! PA honors their warranty, too, so if the frame breaks, I'll converse with them about it. I've got in excess of 3K rounds in that gun, too, had it a lot of years, so it may well be due. Also, with the 3" barrel, its favorite, most accurate load is CCI Stinger. But, it's yet to crater on me, just the recoil springs every 500 rounds or so. I don't use it as a regular range gun, try to preserve it for the pocket kit gun roll/fishing gun.
Also, I have to add, as to pocket kit guns, my Radom P64 fills that roll pretty well, unreal accurate for a pocket gun, it puts cheap Monarch 94 grain ball into 3" at 25 yards. It may be a little more expensive to shoot, but it'll take small game with ball ammo and if I run in to a BG on the trail, it's better suited than a .22. :D At 10 bucks a box, 9x18 is no worse than buying .22 mag, think of it that way.
Anyway, whatever, between the two choices in the OP, I'd go with the Phoenix Arms HP22 and forget the little Taurus OR the Beretta it's a copy of. Even if you get a tip up type .22 to work, it ain't gonna be as accurate OR useful as the HP22. AND, neither company has as fast a customer service response as does Phoenix Arms which is fortunate since you're GOING to have to call them for new recoil springs, very least. :D
August 5, 2011, 12:29 AM
Well, I checked out the firestorm/bersa today. It's about $340 at a LGS nearby which is a little overpriced on most of their stuff.
Bummer. The OTD price at one particular gun shop around here is $294.00.
September 8, 2011, 09:51 PM
Taurus reliability seems to be all over the place, judging from what I've seen and read. I was looking at a used one at a local Gander Mountain, and everything about it was rough and ill-fitted. I ended up buying a new Beretta 21a instead, despite the large difference in price. Side by side, it was easy to see why the Beretta cost significantly more.
As for the Bersas- no one around here carries the .22, which is a pity, as the .380s look very well made. I suspect it would make a great trail gun.
September 11, 2011, 09:51 PM
I've read a ton, pro and con, about the Taurus, so when I saw a used one at a local Gander Mountain I asked the salesman if I could examine it next to a Beretta 21a. Looking at the two of them, the Taurus looked like a piece of crude junk- so I bought the Beretta. I suspect Taurus has major issues with QC. They turn out some good guns, and a lot of junk, too.
For the same amount of money as a PT-22 you can buy a Bersa .22 (if you can find one), which strikes me as a really well made gun. I'd like to find one as a sort of companion to my PPK. For a few $$$ more, you can get a Ruger, which is kind of the benchmark for reliability and accuracy in a reasonably priced .22 pistol.
September 12, 2011, 12:55 AM
Had a PT 22 but the frame cracked and it jammed alot. Glad I got rid of it.
September 12, 2011, 11:52 PM
I want to thank everyone for input and sharing their experiences with these pistols. I did end up buying a new Phoenix HP-22A at one of the 2 St. Charles (MO) gun shows this past weekend. I've already test fired it and it performed perfectly and was quite accurate. I got down to a 2" group at 15yrds after a little practice with it. I'm not planning on using this as a CCW piece, I just wanted a plinker and something I could throw in the glovebox or tacklebox and not have to worry about scuffing it up. Since I don't plan on running up a high round count on it either I'm sure it will be just fine for me.
December 30, 2011, 12:01 PM
I put a video and 2 follow ups on this pistol.
December 30, 2011, 01:35 PM
Shot one this past Saturday. It embodied everything I dislike in a pistol. Poor accuracy, bad trigger pull, very unreliable. Jammed probably 4 to 5 rounds per magazine. I handed it back to the guy who owned it and said "Thanks." I will not be buying one.
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