Concealed Carry in a backpack


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Darebear
August 1, 2011, 06:13 AM
I have a permit to conceal carry but I'm not big on the super small subcompact Roscoe's. If, and that's a big if, I get a pocket pistol for summer carry it would be a J-frame 357. Back to the point. I like larger guns. Compacts, my HK45c, and full size guns like the P30L or Sig P226. I would always keep the bookbag/tote bag or whatever bag I get on me. The only time when I couldnt do this is if Im wearing a suit. In which case my HK45c is pretty easy to conceal. Is this a bad idea? Do any of you or your wives conceal carry in a bag? Thoughts and opinions. Thanks.

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duns
August 1, 2011, 06:43 AM
No need to carry a J-frame 357 in a bag when it will fit beautifully into most pockets. The gun I most often carry concealed is a S&W M&P 340CT. I carry it in a De Santis Nemesis pocket holster. It works really well in the front pocket of my shorts, jeans, business casual trousers, or suit trousers. One disadvantage of a bag is you can't keep it with you the whole time. I'd look very odd in my office if I took my bag with me from room to room when I need to converse with colleagues and I would feel very uncomfortable leaving my gun in an unattended bag. Another disadvantage is the time it would take to access the gun if needed. Are you sure you meant "J-frame"? If you are getting a pocket gun, why not carry it in a pocket?

PS I think I misread your post. You are asking about a pocket gun versus a bigger gun in a bag? For me, bag carry has the two big disadvantages I mentioned above. I like to carry the biggest gun I can conceal, but when I am in business clothes, the biggest is usually my J-frame.

Darebear
August 1, 2011, 06:58 AM
No need to carry a J-frame 357 in a bag when it will fit beautifully into most pockets. The gun I most often carry concealed is a S&W M&P 340CT. I carry it in a De Santis Nemesis pocket holster. It works really well in the front pocket of my shorts, jeans, business casual trousers, or suit trousers. One disadvantage of a bag is you can't keep it with you the whole time. I'd look very odd in my office if I took my bag with me from room to room when I need to converse with colleagues and I would feel very uncomfortable leaving my gun in an unattended bag. Another disadvantage is the time it would take to access the gun if needed. Are you sure you meant "J-frame"? If you are getting a pocket gun, why not carry it in a pocket?

PS I think I misread your post. You are asking about a pocket gun versus a bigger gun in a bag? For me, bag carry has the two big disadvantages I mentioned above. I like to carry the biggest gun I can conceal, but when I am in business clothes, the biggest is usually my J-frame.
Yea, but I'm not carrying in a office. I don't carry at work. The only time I conceal carry is when I go out after work. Mall, movies, the city. Bars and work are the only two legal places that I can carry but won't.

duns
August 1, 2011, 07:22 AM
Yea, but I'm not carrying in a office. I don't carry at work. The only time I conceal carry is when I go out after work. Mall, movies, the city. Bars and work are the only two legal places that I can carry but won't.I can guess why you don't carry in bars even though legal but I don't understand why you wouldn't carry at work since it is permitted? For the times you want to carry - "mall, movies, the city" - I would have thought a gun in a bag is slower to access than one on your person, the bag is subject to the risk of being snatched before you can open it up, and it could be difficult to open the bag if you are already under attack.

IlikeSA
August 1, 2011, 08:45 AM
I wouldn't carry in a backpack unless I ABSOLUTELY needed to. It would take to long to get it out when needed, no matter how fast you were. Just learn to dress around the gun. I conceal a full size 1911 OWB in a polo and linen pants, and the polos actually fit decently. Color and pattern selection make all the difference. If I am feeling the need to conceal with little chance of getting caught...aka at work, a subcompact fits the bill.

lobo9er
August 1, 2011, 08:52 AM
its not a bad option but I'm guessing that it isn't going to be your EDC, is it?

Vonderek
August 1, 2011, 09:10 AM
I think it's a bad idea for your primary carry. It's probably the only method of carry I can think of that would be even slower than ankle draw. And what if you are robbed of your backpack? I had a friend's father who was ambushed in a drugstore parking lot and robbed of his fannypack which of course contained his .38. IMO there really is no better option to CCW than strongside IWB or OWB with loose shirt or jacket weather permitting.

Darebear
August 1, 2011, 09:39 AM
its not a bad option but I'm guessing that it isn't going to be your EDC, is it?
No. And backpack carry would only be in extreme hot weather. In this kind of weather I'm wearing shorts mostly basketball shorts and a tshirt. This is my first summer conceal carrying so maybe I just need to learn and commit to dressing around my gun in all types of weather. Fall, Winter and Spring is obviously no problem for me to carry the gun on my body.

kingpin008
August 1, 2011, 01:58 PM
If you'd really rather stick with the basketball shorts & t-shirt type outfits, you might want to check out either SmartCarry or Thunderwear - both are pretty similar, and both will allow you to carry while wearing clothes that you couldn't use a more traditional holster with.

lobo9er
August 1, 2011, 02:03 PM
No. And backpack carry would only be in extreme hot weather. In this kind of weather I'm wearing shorts mostly basketball shorts and a tshirt

carrying a 380 in your pocket is far better than a 45 in a backpack IMHO. Also i dunno how much time you have spent carrying a backpack in extreme hot weather but in that back pack i hope there is room for a few extra t-shirts and some right gaurd cuz your gonna be a sweaty mess.

lobo9er
August 1, 2011, 02:07 PM
And there is always the the underwear holster :confused: Maybe someday i may think differently but as of today i cant do the thunder wear.

ForumSurfer
August 1, 2011, 02:13 PM
I personally don't like off body carry. It is too easy to get separated by force or by mistake.

Also, drawing from concealment with something glock 19 sized and putting two rounds center of mass and one in the head in under 3 seconds is something that is fairly easy to learn to do. Keep in mind that with a fast 2-3 second draw, you're still going to need either a static target (not likely), you'll need to out maneuver him (meaning you'll need to draw while on the move) or you'll need 20 or so feet between you and the threat to engage him. Drawing from a backpack with any speed under pressure is while on the move (like the Marines say "if you aren't shooting, you should be reloading, if you aren't reloading, you should be moving and if you aren't moving someone will cut your head off and stick it on a post), well I wouldn't want to do that.

I spend quite a bit of time in active clothes like gym shorts or sweat pants since I spend quite a bit of time working out or being active. I'm training myself with a Ruger LCR for this very purpose. I'm more comfortable and proficient with a compact auto, but I'm trying to change that. I've discovered as the years go on that I would rather carry something like an LCR or a s&w airweight than not have anything at all.

If this doesn't work, I'll try one of the new pocket nines like a keltec or a Ruger LCP. If that doesn't work comfortably...I'll just resort to a into a sharp stick in the eye.

Vern Humphrey
August 1, 2011, 02:15 PM
The best option for hot weather carry is the IWB -- ideally with a full leather backing, so you can carry it with no garment between holster and body. Drape a T-shirt over yourself, and you're good to go.

Frank Ettin
August 1, 2011, 03:35 PM
The fundamental problem with carrying in something like a backpack is that if you need your gun, there's a good chance you'll need it quickly. Trying to get your gun out of your pack in into service while bad things are happening fast, puts you too far behind the curve.

The secondary problem is that it makes it that much harder to make sure you have control of your gun at all times.

ForumSurfer
August 1, 2011, 04:24 PM
The fundamental problem with carrying in something like a backpack is that if you need your gun, there's a good chance you'll need it quickly. Trying to get your gun out of your pack in into service while bad things are happening fast, puts you too far behind the curve.

The secondary problem is that it makes it that much harder to make sure you have control of your gun at all times.

Couldn't agree more. I live out of a laptop bag for my job practically. I pack light and keep handy things handy. I also fully realize that I can't leave sensitive personal or work items in there, much less a firearm. It is just too easy to become separated from it. It is also a pain to carry around, even when light. If I can't sling it off, draw and fire in less than 3 seconds; I really don't even see a need for me to carry it. I'd be better off with force on force or something less small and less than lethal on my belt. Like you said, if you need it...you will need it fast.

Cosmoline
August 1, 2011, 04:41 PM
I've frequently toted firearms in or on a backpack, but unless it's openly carried in a scbbard it's too slow to access to be of much use as a CCW.

A large enough man purse might work. The Maxpedition fatboys will conceal up to about a medium frame 3" revolver but not much beyond that.

wh!plash
August 1, 2011, 05:59 PM
I have a Maxpedition Fatboy, I think its pretty much the best off-body (bag) carry there is. The hidden gun pocket is just big enough to get a 4" 1911 (Kimber Pro Carry 1) in it. My Glock 19 also fits. I don't have an HK45C, but from what I gather, its similar size to a G19.

5.11 makes a similar bag to the fatboy, and the gun compartment is just slightly bigger in there. The bag isn't quite so stiff and hardcore, and the pockets are just in a slightly different config.

This is my stuff in the 5.11 version. You can see the 4" 1911 fits with a pretty good amount of room to spare. Its pretty tight in my Fatboy.

http://sarasotariders.net/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=761&g2_serialNumber=1

http://sarasotariders.net/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=772&g2_serialNumber=2

JohnBiltz
August 2, 2011, 01:04 AM
IMO a backpack carry for a large gun is OK if you have a pocket pistol to go with it. If you have time get the big gun out. If you don't you have a small gun on your body and can transition to the larger gun if needed.

TenMillimaster
August 2, 2011, 02:09 AM
+1 on the maxpedition... I think it's a great bag- I can also fit my netbook inside it!

but uh, if that's your carry choice.... those magazine pouches look super inconspicuous...

Warp
August 2, 2011, 02:34 AM
IMO a J-frame in your pocket is 100x better than a larger gun carried off body. Much safer and more secure, too.

CWL
August 2, 2011, 03:29 AM
Off body carry? Sounds like a lot of trouble to carry a gun where you can't reach it in an emergency. If you get jumped, you may get separated or prevented from reaching into your bag. At least on body, you have a better chance of reaching your weapon, even if you've been hit and are on the ground.

On you, a holster gives you a solid index point to where your firearm will always be, it never changes and you can find it through muscle-memory, even in the dark, struggling with BGs or even if injured. In a backpack, it's bouncing all over the place.

Warp
August 2, 2011, 03:32 AM
Off body carry? Sounds like a lot of trouble to carry a gun where you can't reach it in an emergency. If you get jumped, you may get separated or prevented from reaching into your bag. At least on body, you have a better chance of reaching your weapon, even if you've been hit and are on the ground.

On you, a holster gives you a solid index point to where your firearm will always be, it never changes and you can find it through muscle-memory, even in the dark, struggling with BGs or even if injured. In a backpack, it's bouncing all over the place.

I couldn't agree more

BBQLS1
August 2, 2011, 11:28 AM
I have a maxpedition jumbo that I use everyday. No carry at work, so I use the bag in the morning to get to the car. It stays in the car. I generally use a pocket holstered J-Frame sized wheel gun since it's easy to put on my person when I leave. Occasionally, I'll use a 1911, but it's a little harder to transfer to my person later.

One bonus for the bag is that having it in the passenger seat and ready to draw is easier than IWB or pocket holster while buckled in the seat.

kk0g
August 2, 2011, 11:51 AM
Carrying a gun in a backpack would be the same as not carrying one at all. If you need a gun you need it RIGHT NOW not after you remove the pack, unzip it, reach in, find it and extract it. If you have enough time to do all that you have enough time to retreat.

X-Rap
August 2, 2011, 12:04 PM
The only time I can imagine backpack carry would be a broken down AR or a folding KelTec and socially things would have gone seriously down hill if that were the situation.
The small pocket pistols are something we all should own IMO if for no other reason than having a gun for those occasions when nothing else will conceal. Try the belly bands, shirt holsters, underwear for those times you are in very light dress. A belly band and small pistol or revolver at 1 oclock is invisible for most with a loose shirt.

Warp
August 2, 2011, 12:06 PM
The only time I can imagine backpack carry would be a broken down AR or a folding KelTec and socially things would have gone seriously down hill if that were the situation.
The small pocket pistols are something we all should own IMO if for no other reason than having a gun for those occasions when nothing else will conceal. Try the belly bands, shirt holsters, underwear for those times you are in very light dress. A belly band and small pistol or revolver at 1 oclock is invisible for most with a loose shirt.

Yes. That is when I turn to a 642 in a Smartcarry. ;)

TenMillimaster
August 2, 2011, 12:35 PM
Drawing from a shoulder bag is faster than drawing from a backpack...

Old Shooter
August 2, 2011, 12:51 PM
Is this a bad idea?

Yes, for all the reasons stated above.

Once the BG's figure there must be something so valuable in that backpack that you can't ever let out of your sight and it's always with you, you are the first in line for that "sucker punch, grab and run" guys.

I don't think you want to go there.

GCBurner
August 2, 2011, 12:54 PM
I like the Maxpedition Jumbo bag for carrying on day hikes, and while riding my bike. It's just about as fast to draw from the quick release holster in the bag as it is from an IWB holster under a shirt. Plus, it holds a full size, full capacity pistol, rather than the .32 or .380 I'd be carrying in a pocket holster in my shorts this time of year.

browneu
August 2, 2011, 03:29 PM
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kd7nqb
August 3, 2011, 02:21 AM
1. Off body carry sucks always, you may think you have your bag with you all the time but you might be surprised how many times you walk away. Think of this situation your with a casual group of friends eating lunch and you forget a fork or a mustard packet or whatever and you run up to the counter to get it are you going to take your bag and have to explain why your wont let it go or are you going to leave you gun unattended.

2. Full size guns can be concealed IWB pretty easy. My daily carry gun is an M&P .40 and i use either a Comptac- MTAC or a belly band. Works good just find your "sweet spot"

reppans
August 3, 2011, 09:44 AM
I've recently started carrying a large revolver with shorts and a T-shirt: a .357 L-frame S&W 686 w/ 4" barrel. It's over 40 oz. with ammo and almost a foot long, and I'm 5'8" and 150lbs.

I carry it at 4:00 in a DeSantis pancake holster with about 1" of holster/muzzle in my back pocket. Yeah it'll print, but not badly, I've been wearing it around my house (my test ground) for a month now and the wife and kids don't even know.... my teenage kids still don't know I own hand guns.

Going out in public, I'll carry a small soft-sided sling- or messenger-style bag, cross chest, over the gun for deep concealment. I can still draw just as quickly by pulling up my shirt normally. And I can leave the bag, say going to the restroom in a restaurant, without worrying.

Gun really only prints badly if I'm bending over or sitting in a chair without a backrest - standing/walking, it's generally fine. Having the bag on top of it while out in public, just gives me the additional peace of mind.

I also have a G19, G26 and LCP for concealed carry, but recently, I've just fallen in love with full sized revolvers :cool:.

Owlnmole
August 4, 2011, 05:33 AM
You might also want to look at Wilderness Tactical Products. Their Safepacker (http://www.thewilderness.com/storepinnacle/index.php?p=catalog&parent=171&pg=1) system is a compromise between on-body and off-body carry that might work for you.

I've been wearing it around my house (my test ground) for a month now and the wife and kids don't even know.... my teenage kids still don't know I own hand guns.

As a side note, reppans, you know your kids and of course that's your decision, but guns the house hidden from the kids, especially teenagers, is a recipe for disaster. Have you considered taking your kids shooting and educating them about guns instead?

The Lone Haranguer
August 4, 2011, 07:44 AM
I would think the slower access would negate any advantage of the larger gun.

ForumSurfer
August 4, 2011, 09:27 AM
As a side note, reppans, you know your kids and of course that's your decision, but guns the house hidden from the kids, especially teenagers, is a recipe for disaster. Have you considered taking your kids shooting and educating them about guns instead?

I agree with this +1,000,000.

My 8 year old typically doesn't care too much about shooting. My 12 year old is very interested and active. As a matter of fact, I routinely assign him to pull out a few and clean/wipe them down to prevent rust. He loves to do it and I hate it, so it works out for everyone. :)

But even the 8 year old is fully versed on gun safety and knows where they all are at all times. He knows what I carry and where I carry it. In the event of a home invasion, I feel better knowing the 12 year old knows where everything is in case something happens to me. I feel better knowing the 8 year old knows where everything is and what to do if he accidentally finds a firearm.

It's your business, not mine....but I felt I should share. :)

reppans
August 4, 2011, 11:45 AM
Hey thanks guys...

I have seen the Safepacker and do like the idea. I may get one, but my problem (as mentioned by someone above) is with kids around, I cannot risk putting it down ever, and I'll look silly carrying it around in doors.

Completely agree with kids education thing, I do intend to start my younger one on the kid's night program at the local range I'm joining - he's got the right disposition and attitude for it. The older one.... I'm simply not comfortable, he's got issues and is in that "I hate my parents and will fight them on every issue" phase :banghead:. Not until he matures out of this phase, but he's going away to school this fall (his choice), and that's when I'll start the younger one.

I'm not too worried though, neither have ever lifted a finger to harm anyone, and I've had both of them shooting my high-powered air rifle, which I don't lock away (rodent control).

Sorry to the OP for the hijack..

Owlnmole
August 4, 2011, 01:46 PM
On the Safepacker, it can be belt-mounted or carried on a strap like a, ahem, man purse. Another option could be a small bike messenger back like the ones from Timbuktu. They are perfect for wearing on one side with the strap across the body to the other shoulder, which puts the bag right under your strong hand and keeps it in your sight, unlike a backpack. Most have a padded section for a laptop which could work well for a large but thin auto pistol, a single-stack 1911, for example.

bcp280z
August 4, 2011, 03:54 PM
I have this "deep concealment" Galco holster I got for $60, it's got a plastic clip but has suprisingly lasted longer than the Blackhawk clip on IWB's, it's made for Jframes and I sometimes have to check myself to make sure it's on me, then again, I carry an airweight 438, the 35 would be a tad heavier. And it's not quite deep concealment since I added the Hogue monogrip, which is way more comfy to shoot, but print if my shirt is too tight, versus the tiny stock grip.

Get a good IWB. Back pack IMO is only important if you're already expecting trouble.

woad_yurt
August 5, 2011, 10:17 AM
Way back, I had a big, big guy grab my backpack on a train platform. He was swinging mye around by it; it was a perfect handle for him and I couldn't reach it. I haven't used a backpack since.

Backpacks are pretty inaccessible to the wearer but they're very accessible to everyone else, not good qualities for anything in which one would put a gun.

I'd say that a backpack was about as bad a place to carry a gun as is a purse. The purse is more accessible to the owner, yes, but also more attractive to the thief who'll grab it first and without notice.

50 cal
August 5, 2011, 10:43 AM
If your gonna use a backpack for concealed carry, you might as well carry an ar15 pistol with a hundred round beta drum.:D

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