Jeff Cooper's "Baby"


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M99M12
January 21, 2004, 02:25 PM
I remember an article in a gun rag, maybe 20 years ago, about a heavy rifle that Cooper had made for him. Some wildcat or other. Been looking through my old mags (they just get lost, I never toss 'em on purpose :D ) and I can't find it. Had a safari report on it. Don't nobody waste no time looking, I was just wondering if anyone else knew anything about it.
By the way, been going through the back pages here, GREAT SITE!!!!!!
I've learned more in a few weeks here than in a long time anywhere else.

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Ktulu
January 21, 2004, 02:27 PM
If I remeber correctly, he talks about it in the book Fireworks.

M99M12
January 21, 2004, 02:30 PM
Oughta, but I ain't got that one. Was it the .460 G&A?

Ktulu
January 21, 2004, 02:39 PM
Awwww, it's at home. I can't remeber. I'll check it out tonight, if I remeber.

fds5116
January 21, 2004, 02:55 PM
and the article is in there. Baby was built on a Z602 Czech action, chambered for the .460G&A (the .404 Jeffery opened up to .458). Has a deepened magazine well to hold 6 rounds. A 21 inch barrel, weighs 11.5 pounds loaded.

Came across "Fireworks" in a used book store; they wanted $30 for it. Glad I bought it.
Frank Sauer

Johnny Guest
January 21, 2004, 03:18 PM
A semi-famous firearm with which I can claim personal experience.

I fired the original at Gunsite in March 1980. Handled it in Col Cooper's gun room and admired the way it felt. A heavy rifle, yes, but it had really superior balance. The whole thing was a work of art. A day or two later, he brought it down to the range with a handful of cartridges and offered it around. Three or four guys fired it and most of the rest passed. As a result, I got to fire it THREE times.

Subjectively, the recoil seemed no worse than a well-fitting but much lighter .458 Model 70 I'd owned. It was distinctly gentler that an ill-fitting Browning-FN .375 H&H which I'd endured for a couple of months. :p The weight was quite well distributed and the stock fit me well. While definitely a MAJOR caliber piece, I was able to get off two well-aimed shots in very rapid succession.

Sorry, I have no idea of the specifications of the loads used. I remember him commenting that they were the "standard" load worked up during development of the .460 G&A cartridge. I have no references at hand listing the round.

All best,
Johnny

Alfadog
January 21, 2004, 05:32 PM
http://www.donath.org/Defense/Guns/CooperRifle/DCP02364.JPG

This is from Carl Donath's website; he was a member at TFL but I don't believe I've seen any posts from him here.

M99M12
January 21, 2004, 06:17 PM
Thank you, gentlemen. That's the bird.
What a rifle.

Johnny Guest
January 21, 2004, 08:24 PM
Good looking rifle there. Is it also a .460 G&A, built along the lines of Cooper's "Baby?" The barrel sure looks heavy and short enough.

As mentioned by fds5116 above, "Baby" has/had a noticibly extended magazine, nearly 24 years ago. Also, a beautifully executed wooden stock.

Best,
Johnny

Atlas Shrug
January 21, 2004, 08:38 PM
I'm not sure, but I think that gun is Col. Cooper's heavy loaner, also in 460G&A. He will loan it to select "family" members for work on dangerous game (under certain circumstances).

I've fired a rifle or two of Col. Cooper's, but unfortunately neither Baby nor the 460 loaner. I was not at that session with Carl, Rich, etc. at Whittington.

All that said, I could be wrong, it's been a long week and my brain is tired.

Alfadog
January 21, 2004, 11:41 PM
Carl's website describes the rifle pictured above as "Cooper's "heavy" rifle, a massive .460 caliber big-game gun." I assumed this was the one and only "Baby," and did not know of another .460 used as a loaner. Although now that I think about, I sort of recall Cooper writing at some point that "Baby" resides in Africa.

ctdonath
February 5, 2008, 03:14 PM
Stumbled across this thread a little late...

This is from Carl Donath's website

Yup, that's me firing it.

he was a member at TFL but I don't believe I've seen any posts from him here.

Yes, I was on TFL until it abruptly closed. Promptly joined THR when it started, been active since.

Is it also a .460 G&A, built along the lines of Cooper's "Baby?"

That IS Cooper's "Baby".
Recoil was a surprisingly gentle but loooong push.

(Maybe I was mistaken, but my understanding at the time was that it was indeed "Baby".)

Harve Curry
February 5, 2008, 03:34 PM
Interesting rifle and cartridge. I remember reading about it now, although never fired any of that caliber. I had a single shot 50BMG for awhile, it to pushed for a Looong time.

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