S&W 686 or Ruger GP100


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Too_Pure
August 3, 2011, 12:36 AM
My next gun is going to be one of these. It will be used for HD, possible CCW, and the range.

Which would you choose? Why?

Thanks.


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The_Shootist
August 3, 2011, 12:38 AM
Prelock 686+ in 4" bbl.

If you can't get one at a reasonable price, then go with the Ruger.

Bush Pilot
August 3, 2011, 12:43 AM
They're both great guns, you couldn't go wrong with either weapon.

7even6ix2wo
August 3, 2011, 02:51 AM
IMO the 686 has a much smoother trigger. But both guns are just as reliable and tough. The Ruger you will be able to find probably quite a bit cheaper than the 686. But the 686 also comes in a 7 shot cylinder option if that's something your looking for. Ruger has a 7 shot option but only in .327 I believe.

wlewisiii
August 3, 2011, 02:57 AM
Can I ask why a 627 isn't being considered in place of the 686?

gamestalker
August 3, 2011, 03:12 AM
I'm a big S&W fan but, I haven't had much good to say about the 686's I've picked up. If those are your two contemplations I would go with the GP100. They are a solid wheel gun, and not bad looking either. If you stumble onto a model 19 or 66 S&W in good condition I would say yes to that, but good luck finsing one of those, they're getting scarce it seems.

GLOOB
August 3, 2011, 03:23 AM
The biggest difference is the price tag. In this case, Ruger wins.

A Smith WILL eventually get some endshake if you put enough rounds through it. But not enough to get problematic, until you've shot enough ammo to pay for several new revolvers. The Ruger IS built to last longer in that regard.

I think the Smith is better in the lockup and the SA trigger department.

But either way, I think it mostly comes down to price. If they cost the same, it would be a difficult decision.

It's not a coincidence that used Smith 686's usually sell for 150-200 less than retail, and Ruger GP100's usually sell for 0-50 less than retail... which puts them pretty close in price in the used market, despite the Smith retailing for $200 more. I actually bought my 686 and GP100 for the exact same price. There are things I like better and worse about each one, and it pretty much puts them equal to me.

2zulu1
August 3, 2011, 04:12 AM
My 7 shot 686/6" came with a target trigger, one of the best DA triggers I've ever felt. One day at the range, I outshot a group of guys with AKs at 160 yards iron sights on a torso size target. First shot accuracy at extended distances.

I've carried K and N-frame Smiths for patrol, I'd choose the 686 with a target trigger in a heartbeat, even with the IL.

Bob

Too_Pure
August 3, 2011, 09:48 AM
Can I ask why a 627 isn't being considered in place of the 686?

Because I prefer a full lug. That's it. No other reason.


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eastbank
August 3, 2011, 09:57 AM
my favorite 686, eastbank.

montanaoffroader
August 3, 2011, 10:42 AM
Try them both if possible, buy whichever one fits your hand best. They are both good guns.

Of course, you could always get one of each.......:evil:

(Someone had to say it!)

Too_Pure
August 3, 2011, 11:31 AM
Try them both if possible, buy whichever one fits your hand best. They are both good guns.

Of course, you could always get one of each.......:evil:

(Someone had to say it!)

Yeah. It really boils down to which one to get first :)


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Bigkrackers
August 3, 2011, 11:43 AM
I love my GP100. This was the first handgun a purchased with my own money.

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roaddog28
August 3, 2011, 12:04 PM
If your talking new then I would go the GP100. Better value. If your talking used then a S&W 686 pre-lock.
Regards,
Howard

MachIVshooter
August 3, 2011, 12:38 PM
Both are fine HD guns, both are a bit large for CCW, even with short barrels. On the range, I think you'll enjoy the nicer action of the Smith more. That's basically where the extra cost is going.

It is unlikely you'd ever put enough rounds through these guns in a lifetime to ever wear them out.

Me personally? I had an opportunity to buy a GP-100 for $300 a few years ago, passed. When the opportunity for a 6" 686 at that price appeared, I jumped.

greyling22
August 3, 2011, 12:44 PM
had both, had trigger jobs done on both, kept the smith. The trigger pull was just so much nicer and I shot it better. I preferred the way the ruger handled and fit me hand though. your results may vary.

Used, the ruger and the smith cost about the same from what I can tell.

357 Guy
August 3, 2011, 01:08 PM
S&W 686 Plus Pro Series. It holds 7 shots and has a 5inch barrel. It shoots great and has great sight! I'm sure the Ruger is nice too but I prefer S&W.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_766340_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

gordy
August 3, 2011, 05:25 PM
When the gp100 came out many years age I had to have one, I bought a blue four inch. Went well with my security six.
I shot that gun alot. Many thousands of rounds. Great gun.
Then a buddy of mine let me shoot his 586 four inch.
I sold my ruger and bought a 586 with a four inch. Had a trigger job done and had it magnaported.
As of today I still have that four inch 586 and have had at least 4 more.
Some with a longer tube and some shorter. Some blue and some SS.
Like the blue ones better and the shorter tubes better.

Too_Pure
August 3, 2011, 05:26 PM
I found a lightly used 586 pre-lock for the same price as a new GP100. Like a blued 686. Checkered grips. Lock up seems solid. Really nice.


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sixgunner455
August 3, 2011, 05:45 PM
Either. Probably the one I found the best deal on, or that had the bbl/finish/sights configuration I was after.

Fishslayer
August 3, 2011, 09:19 PM
Me personally? I had an opportunity to buy a GP-100 for $300 a few years ago, passed. When the opportunity for a 6" 686 at that price appeared, I jumped.

Yeah... I probably would have dislocated something between the jumping & reaching for my wallet.:D

I searched for a year & paid... well... a "lot" more than $300 for my 4" 686 no dash. There was a 4" GP100 next to it for $100 less. Wasn't even tempted. ;)

psyshack
August 3, 2011, 09:38 PM
I want a Royal Phoenix to share safe time with my 686P so they can bicker about who's the best looking and shooting. :)

I can't think of two better looking 4" .357's.

Wouldn't a RP look good with this Smith. :)
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Strykervet
August 3, 2011, 10:09 PM
My 7 shot 686/6" came with a target trigger, one of the best DA triggers I've ever felt. One day at the range, I outshot a group of guys with AKs at 160 yards iron sights on a torso size target. First shot accuracy at extended distances.

I've carried K and N-frame Smiths for patrol, I'd choose the 686 with a target trigger in a heartbeat, even with the IL.

Bob
Yep. I have a 686+ 6", a -5 I think. Prelock, MIM parts. Did a little polishing and swapped out the mainspring with a stronger one and put in a lighter return spring. The trigger on this thing is AMAZING. I have people comment on it all the time. Super smooth double action, in single action it is super crisp and short --like pushing the button a dvd player. No pre-travel, no over-travel. Simply amazing. The cylinder has no real play and positively stops, it is so well made that when I spin it, it will spin for nearly a whole minute. Full lug, adjustable sights, 7 shots, and VERY accurate.

What he said about the 160 yard shot. In the army I was instructing an SDM course at a 300m KD range. We had steel silhouettes set up on the berm and we were at the 300m line. The day before, the chief instructor shot an 18" target standing at 200m with a .40 USP and I wanted to try it with my .357. We repainted the target to see any splashes first, and then standing at 300m using one hand firing single action, I put 5 out of 7 140gr. Hornady XTP handloads on the target.

Also, with the full lug barrel, it is pretty tame. .38spcl. feels like a .22, seriously. My wife loves this revolver as well, it is one of her favorite pieces to shoot, mostly because of how tame it is, but also because of how accurate it is and how easy and smooth the action works. She doesn't fight the trigger or hammer like she does the little 317, which has a very heavy action. She says I can't ever sell this one; no problem there. I got this thing for just over $200 in the mid-late 90's used!

Not only is this my favorite revolver, it is one of my favorite handguns, alongside the G17L and the Ed Brown Custom (which I don't own yet...). The 6" model probably isn't the best carry option, great for home defense and target work though (you can get very high velocities in .357 with a 6" bbl. --I've seen 1800+fps using 125's and N110!). Depending on how you carry, a 3" or 4" bbl. might be better. If I could only get one, I guess it would be the 4". If I were you and you can do it, I'd get the 6" 686+ used, with no lock and a frame mounted firing pin. Having the stainless or case hardened lockwork might be a plus, it is has never been a drawback for me though, and I think there are only one or two years that have the frame mounted pin, which I think is much more important. You won't find it for $200 anymore, but you can still get a good deal on one if you look around. Then if I were to carry a revolver, I'd take a hard look at the Smith and Wesson Night Guard. They come in several calibres, three frame sizes ranging from 5-8 shots, stainless cylinders, scandium frames, 2.5-2.75 inch barrels, and night sights. I'd go with the .44mag myself, but in .357 the 386 or 327 looks nice. Again, finding one that has a little use can save you some money.

I haven't handled the 8 shot ones, but they look nice. Jerry Miculek can sure shoot 'em fast! The only drawback is that they are built on large frames (or maybe that isn't a drawback depending on how you look at it --I like the elegence and balance of the medium frame, and 7 shots ain't anything to sneeze at).

Oh yeah, and if you get one with a lock, they are easy to disable. All you have to do is remove the side plate and some of the lockwork, then remove the lock "flag". The flag is the flat part that has a little steel pin on it and it moves. File the pin flat. Reinstall and off you go. The lock will look normal, no hole or anything, it just won't work. Make sure to replace it if you ever sell it.

Strykervet
August 3, 2011, 10:10 PM
Is that nickel or polished stainless? If it is polished steel, how did you do it?

Glock 19
August 4, 2011, 07:02 AM
I have both.I like both,but if I were going to be buying brand new I would no doubt go for the Ruger.I just don't care for newer Smith's.My old 686 4' no dash is sweet though.My GP 100 is what I hunt w/ when I'm shooting heavy loads.I've seen a couple 686's that had a steay diet of full power loads through them that needed repair.Never have a GP-100 though.

Thaddeus Jones
August 4, 2011, 10:14 AM
New? GP100. Everything you need in a revolver and nothing you don't.

Used? Pre lock 686-4. Best of the breed. TJ

reppans
August 4, 2011, 11:13 AM
I was shopping between these two and actually rented both side by side with a couple of boxes of ammo - I couldn't tell any difference in accuracy or feel. I ended up buying the Smith only because it was more aesthetically pleasing to my eye.

However, I understand the Ruger can be disassembled much more easily (actually outlined in the manual) - that counts for a lot to me. I really don't care about the price difference, you get at least half that back if you sell, and it's a mouse fart next to the cost of ammo you'll put through the gun.

In hindsight though, I'm very happy I got the Smith since it has the perfect understudy - the 617 (http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6149/6004112950_7e7d6bb9a4_b.jpg) - which I like even more since I can shoot it a lot more and with less effort (cleaning).

easyg
August 4, 2011, 03:07 PM
I just can't justify the price difference.
The S&W is nice, but it aint that nice.

Go Ruger.

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jad0110
August 4, 2011, 10:08 PM
I agree with easyg. Five years ago it was different. A NIB GP was $475-ish and a NIB 686 was $550-ish. And used 686s were fairly plentiful for around $400 (pre MIM, pre lock). You could really go either way. I recall my sister buying her sweet 681-3 4" for $350 in late 2007.

Fast forward to today. NIB GPs are around $500 - $530. So in my area they've gone up around $25 - $50. 686s OTH are $750 NIB, so they've gone up $200 in the same timeframe. Used 686s have gone up even more, all the ones I've seen are $650 or more.

I prefer the 686 by a small margin, say $100. But not for that price. Heck, you can get a very nice used S&W Model 28 Highway Patrolman for the same or a little less than a new GP, and I prefer the balance of the 28 to either the GP or 686.

I paid $425 for this 28-2 a little over a year ago. As I said, I like the GP and I really like my 686, but I like this 28 even more.


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Fishslayer
August 5, 2011, 12:13 AM
I just can't justify the price difference.
The S&W is nice, but it aint that nice.


As a matter of fact, yes, it is. ;)

ArchAngelCD
August 5, 2011, 02:30 AM
Both are great revolver. IMO you should buy the one that feels best in your hand. No one can tell you which would be better for you. I happen to like the M686 better and own a 4" M686. If you're not stuck on a 6 shooter there's nothing wrong with the M686+ either. 7 rounds of .357 Magnum on tap beats 6 rounds any day.

DenaliPark
August 5, 2011, 03:32 AM
The Smith is a much more refined piece of work, better trigger, smoother action, better balance, better looking, and a much higher resale. S&W has superior options available in the 686 for ccw, 2.5', 3', or 4' barrels. The S&W has far more accessories available for it, particularly grips and holsters.

The Ruger is a nice DA revolver, it's sturdy and accurate, but it also has a stiff trigger, it's also thin(width)compared to the S&W, and heavy, it can detract from accuracy unless smoothed out. There are not many decent aftermarket grip options for the GP100, it's an awkward revolver with many of them, particularly for ccw....

To my mind this is a no-brainer, the Ruger is much more in line with the offerings from Taurus then S&W, I'd take the 686 over the GP100 everytime, pre-lock or not....

Too_Pure
August 5, 2011, 10:45 AM
I can't get that 586 out if my mind. I really wish I would've put something down on it because I'm in San Diego right now and won't be back until Sunday night. Hopefully it'll still be there. I figure the 586 in such pristine shape is a pretty good find at that price. I can get the new Ruger any ol' time.


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CraigC
August 5, 2011, 11:32 AM
I want a Royal Phoenix to share safe time with my 686P so they can bicker about who's the best looking and shooting.
The Royal Phoenix is really nice! Very tempting.

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