If the NFA were repealed


January 22, 2004, 09:55 AM
Ok envision this. The NFA gets repealed (or never existed) and we can now have machine guns, sound supressors, anything, with no restrictions (think:shall not be infringed)

How do you see yourself owning and using sound supressors/full auto/AOWs, etcs?

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January 22, 2004, 10:22 AM
Full auto USAS-12 shotgun with 20 round drums. :p
H&K G36E with those nifty see through hi-cap mags.
MP40 reproduction and M3A1 greasegun repro. Hehe too many cool NFA toys to name :scrutiny:

January 22, 2004, 10:26 AM
Woot. I'd get an MP5, an M4A1, and a full-auto Glock 19, and some evil-looking silencers to go with them.

January 22, 2004, 10:27 AM
I would see myself with lots of toys and good hearing when I am old.

January 22, 2004, 10:31 AM
I'd like a suppressor to put on a .22 pistol so I can practice with it in the back yard. I shoot my .22 rifle out there all the time, but the pistol is too loud so close to the house.

I could see myself owning a select fire rifle also. It would have to be something that shot cheap ammo though. I wouldn't want to blow through cases of .308. Perhaps an AK, something in 9mm or an RPK in 7.62x54R. Only if they were affordable though. No way would I spend more than $1500 on one.

Short barrels are also nice. I'm a big fan of carbines. Offhand, I can't think of anything I'd like with a barrel under 16" though.

I never saw AOWs being especially interesting. No buttstock and too big and heavy to use like a pistol.

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
January 22, 2004, 10:36 AM
Suppressors, suppressors, suppressors.

I'd like to be able to hear my future grandkids when they talk to me.

I did the Class 3 stuff 20 years ago and got tired of it.
Maybe I could be talked into a SIG 550, though
A selective-fire FAL could be nice, too.
Suppressed, of course.


lee n. field
January 22, 2004, 10:42 AM

Hopefully, in the near future of your rosy scenario, handguns of reasonable size with built in supressors. I'm not interested in covert crime, just in keeping my hearing.

January 22, 2004, 10:47 AM
I'd probably own a few suppressors and full-auto.

My AR would be select-fire. I'd definitely have a suppressor for it in .223, 9mm, and .45ACP.

All of my .22LRs would be threaded for suppressors (and I'd have a few different kinds).

Also, I'd probably get a short barrelled shotgun and maybe some short barrelled .22 rifles for backpacking. Maybe a couple other auto toys, but a couple select-fire ARs with interchangable uppers would probably mostly cover it for me.

January 22, 2004, 10:59 AM
What about destructive devices? Nobody wants an M203 to go with thier m16?

January 22, 2004, 11:04 AM
Colt's M1928A1

Colt's Monitor

M14 w/ Rock and Roll

MG 34


OH WELL!!.....sigh!!!

January 22, 2004, 11:05 AM
What about destructive devices? Nobody wants an M203 to go with thier m16?
If I had a place to shoot it, sure. As of now, however, I don't have a good place to use an M203.

On the other hand, if it were cheap enough, I would like to get some detcord to play with. I don't even need it to set off any primary charges, just the detcord.
"Off to cut some firewood, honey! I'll be back in two minutes."

January 22, 2004, 11:07 AM
:evil: :D Yes, yes. Detcord indeed.

2nd Amendment
January 22, 2004, 11:20 AM
Wouldn't mind the suppressors at all. Full-auto anything...well...not my thing but I could probably be convinced. :)

January 22, 2004, 11:37 AM
if there are any senators that might be able to sneak legislation through to remove suppressors from the list of NFA items? Someone like Zell Miller or Ron Paul. Maybe we should get together and send off letters to have them removed with the reason being to protect hearing?

January 22, 2004, 12:24 PM
As my "Truck Gun" just a little somthing to plink with from the side fo the road. .32 ACP is cheap and plentiful.

January 22, 2004, 12:43 PM
Suppressors: for indoor range use.
Full auto: 10 round bursts for stages with cardboard targets with Comstock count.
14" barrel shotgun: we're limited to 5+1 anyway so might as well take the barrel down.

January 22, 2004, 12:47 PM
I would buy an MP5K within microseconds of the ink drying on that law... well, within microseconds of the price dropping anyway.

I'd have suppressors for the AR-10 and FAL. I shoot them so much, it would be nice to not go deaf. If there is anywhere that we could make progress it would be in removing suppressors from the NFA. They make guns less concealable, don't actually make the gun silent, and keep the noise level down which EVERYBODY could appreciate.

An M60E4 would be soon to follow.

January 22, 2004, 01:03 PM
I would be looking for Vickers, BREN and Lewis machine guns, a BAR and a 1928A1 Thompson. The first four are just for fun and historical interest. The Thompson would be for both historical reasons as well as a part of the HD/SD option. Especially if it would function reliably with good JHPs like the 230grn Hydra-Shok. The 1928 had at least decent sights and was not too bad a carbine on semi-auto.

4v50 Gary
January 22, 2004, 01:07 PM
Thompson SMG.
HK MP5 in 10 mm.
M-2, ma deuce that is.
M-2, carbine.

wishful thinking:)

January 22, 2004, 01:11 PM
Silenced Select fire UMP in .45, for home defense.
Probably also a silenced 10/22 for pest control and plinking.

Thats about it. I really don't see a need for full auto/select fire, or supressors. However, the Gub'mnt shouldn't feel the need to limit my rights of ownership over such.
I don't drive fast, but I have the right to own a Corvette. A Corvette in the wrong hands is just as dangerous....

Gordon Fink
January 22, 2004, 02:57 PM
I would look for the flying pigs.

~G. Fink

January 22, 2004, 03:02 PM
I would look for the flying pigs.
And shoot some ham with your quad-mount M2?

January 22, 2004, 03:45 PM
I'm in the supressor camp. I'd like to be able to shoot more often, and closer to home. Plus, it would be nice for the occasional pest control issue.

Full auto doesn't do a lot for me. Don't ge me wrong, I would like to dump a few mags sometime, or sit behind a minigun for 30 seconds.

If it were an option, I'd probably have a burst capable AR or something, just because they'd probably all be that way. I mean, why would manufactures make semi-auto only versions if they didn't have too?

January 22, 2004, 04:01 PM
Oh definitely. But probably only one or two. Full-auto is enormously expensive to shoot often. Suppressors? Sure. Short-barreled rifles? Always wanted an M-4. Short barreled shotgun? NO. Had a LEO friend who had one (he did it legally) and after listening to him talk about it, I have no desire to replicate the experience.

January 22, 2004, 04:03 PM
I'd have to get a 2nd mortgage on my house and sell a few vehicles.

PS. They'd also need to dump the '68 GCA so we could import some stuff.

January 22, 2004, 04:09 PM
wouldnt matter much with the GCA 68, and 86' bans, and feeding our new toys would be difficult with the stupid 94 thing still in place

January 22, 2004, 04:14 PM
Well, at least all the tactical guys could buy genuine M4s and be like "SEE! SEE! Now it's REALLY like what the ARMY uses, not just sorta-like it! YAY, it makes me ELITE!"

LOL :neener:

I'd probably get a select fire FAL, but I don't think the full auto setting would be useful. A select fire, suppressable .22LR carbine, like a 10/22 with a folding stock and a short barrel, would be a VERY fun toy to play with.

Might get a UMP45, but I don't so much like the buttstock on it.

I'd be on some suppressors, though. I'd get one for the FAL (though it'd be a muzzle heavy beast with a .308 suppressor) and one for each of my .45s. I'd see if I couldn't have a custom suppressed revolver made (perhaps using a Dan Wesson and screwing in the barrel extra tight to close up the cylinder gap? It's been done before.)

You guy scan keep the GPMGs. I couldn't afford to feed one and without an assistant gunner and spare barrels they don't have much practical use. (Not to mention they tend to run in excess of $5K a pop.)

You guys could also have the M4s and whatnot. A select fire AKM might be fun, but I'm really of the opinion that unless it's a submachine gun or a belt fed, semiauto is better than full auto or burst fire for nearly every situation. Subguns have recoil low enough that full auto fire is more controllable (and with pistol cartridges multiple hits are more likely to be necessary) and belt feds are typically heavy enough and have the ammo capacity to make automatic fire useful.

Zach S
January 22, 2004, 05:15 PM
So far I've only had experiance with an MP5, so I'd guess I'd have one of those.

Short bbl shotgun with a surefire for HD.

My Thompson wouldnt be a 1927 with a 16" bbl.

I'd have a supressor for most of my guns.

Might as well get an M16 too, and a 93R would be nice...

Hmmm, supressors, a real thompson, an M16, and a 93R, I think I'm covered...

If ammo prices are untouched, I dont see me shooting my FA toys very often, even if I started reloading.

January 22, 2004, 06:18 PM
Integrally suppressed Ruger MK II, 10/22 (or 77/22), and a 77/44. An M4, a full size Uzi, and probably an MP5, all with suppressors and rimfire conversions where applicable. I'd also get SWR 9mm and .45 handgun suppressors. Without the ban in place, I could probably pick up everything and tons of ammo for less than $15,000. The only other thing I might want is something belt fed and .308 or bigger.

January 22, 2004, 06:53 PM
a Walther P22 with silencer for fun and pests.
a 10/22 with silencer for fun and pests.
an HK G3 with sinlge/3round burst/full auto trigger pack.
an HK MP5SD with the same trigger pack.
an HK MP5/10 with the same trigger pack.
an HK USP tactical with silencer.
a Remington PSS in .308 with silencer.
an M249 SAW

of course i'd have to win the lotto to be able to afford all this. but hey, a guy can dream can't he?


January 22, 2004, 07:19 PM
If they got rid of the NFA 34, could you imagine what that would mean for new firearms inventions though?

I mean, we've got all these highly skilled computer programmers, CAD programmers, amazing CNC machinery, and tens of thousands of people who know how to utilize it. Who knows who'd be the next John Browning? It's all the massive regulation & government controls right now that keep people from "growing their own" so to speak. The mind boggles.

January 22, 2004, 07:43 PM
Target grade .22 with integral suppressor
12” 12gauge 870
I agree with Spark. I think that there would be a renaissance in small arms design.

Brian Williams
January 22, 2004, 07:47 PM
M16a1 and a bunch of suppressors.

January 22, 2004, 07:52 PM
I think that there would be a renaissance in small arms design.

Why? Gun companies spend millions of dollars developing designs, testing them, and producing prototypes.

Would the possibility of having your basic AUTOCAD engineering whiz deciding to build a gun prototype really give us a"renaissance" in small arms design? What do you think would be developed that nobody is trying now? Even without the laws, how many engineers would try their hand at firearms design, especially with so many established designs out there dominating the market (M16 family, 1911 family, Glock line, etc.)? It'd be a significant commitment without a great possibility of financial reward.

Besides, there's nothing stopping these people from designing guns now. It's not against the law to design and build your own firearm. Yes, it has to comply with the NFA and AWB, but people can build their own guns. Ask Correia.

There's just a LOT of established competition in a design field that has reached something of a plateau. It'd take millions of dollars to develop anything significantly better than what's being worked on right now. How many back yard gun designers have the means to do this?

If anybody does have a good idea for a gun, even an NFA-verbotten design, you can still design it and patent it. If you sell the design to a gun company, it might go into production.

But, gun companies don't seem especially interested in new designs these days. Heck, Sig and S&W are now making 1911 type guns, and rumor has it HK is going to as well. Everytime somebody talks about any type of 5.56mm rifle, someone will inevitably chime in that it's no better than an AR-15 clone and that they won't buy it.

I think the main reason you don't see more variety in gun design is because we, as a market, are quite content with what we have and aren't terribly open to new ideas. Espeically since that new guns, without the massive, established production and support network of guns like the AR-15 and 1911 lines, are going to COST MORE.

Standing Wolf
January 22, 2004, 08:02 PM
I can't imagine myself buying a fully automatic anything—I still drive a stick shift car after all these years—but I'd probably buy a silencer for the sake of my hearing.

January 22, 2004, 08:12 PM
Let's see....

I'd get a bunch of suppressors, which I'll probably end up getting anyway (trying to get the signoff for my first one right now). My ARs would get extra holes in the receivers. The Glock back slide plates with the full-auto switches look like fun. An SBS for a car gun. If I still had money left, an M240 and a USAS 12.

Oh yeah, most importantly, several commercial-grade reloading machines to feed everything. :D

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