[The-Reaver]

As the tittle suggest.

I am a prepper, & I know we are not allowed to talk about SHTF situations here so I wont.

What is the 9mm automatic you would pick up, if you knew the only ammo you would have is the crappiest?

From what I have read CZ's are in line as of right now. I have a Sig P226 but she doesn't like the steel, and if one of my weapons doesn't handle the worst I don't want it.

So send me some ideas please.

* Edit * Must have a hammer. NO GLOCKS! NO SAXD'S!

[rule303]

Ruger P-series. My P89 will shoot anything I have fed it. Aluminum cased, steel cased, rusty steel cased, cast bullet reloads, hollow point, flat nose, +p,+p+, whatever. Not the prettiest, or the most accurate, but built like a tank, and 100% reliable with all ammo. The metal frame models are out of production, but are cheap and plentiful on the used market, and the poly framed P95's are around $300 brand new.

[GCBurner]

The Beretta 92, and its Taurus clones and the updated M9, with their open-top slide design, have been the most reliable 9mm autos in my experience. Never had a stovepipe jam or failure to feed or eject with the ones I've tried, using all kinds of military surplus, commercial, or reloaded ammo.

[The Lone Haranguer]

Neither my Glock 19 nor my SIG (I no longer have the latter gun) malfunctioned with the Wolf ammo I shot in them.

[Ledgehammer]

Ok. I'll be first to post it. Glock 19. It eats everything. Uh make that second.

[Nushif]

My Taurus PT911 (not the 1911) eats pretty much any kind of ammo, too. I never knew my 9mm I reload was vastly out of specc, just because the gun eats anything.
So if you're looking for a gun that eats anything ... a PT911 is good where my Kahr is a bit finicky, even though it's supposedly a better weapon.

[GLOOB]

Glocks surely have the longest leade length / free bore of any common pistol in 9mm. The rest of the chamber isn't exactly match tight, either. And the magazines can handle slightly longer than max SAAMI OAL for luger (at least with a relatively normal bullet profile - not too wide and flat).

What this translates to:

If it chambers in another 9mm pistol, it will probably chamber in a Glock.

If it fits in the magazine, it will chamber.

But what chambers in a Glock might not chamber in another pistol.

Another thing about the Glock 9mm is the extractor is generously sized. This is why they spit brass all over the place. There's plenty of room for dinged up and out-of-spec thick rimmed ammo.

If you wanted a really SHTF 9mm, you could build one on a 1911 platform and ream the chamber for 9x23 so you would headspace off the extractor (not recommended by most folk). It could shoot a variety of out of spec ammo, including overly long OAL (perhaps someone's 9mm major reloads?) and brass length, and any 9mm would fit in the magazine. Of course, you could also shoot 9mm Largo, and with a spring swap 9x23. With a bit of relief around the breechface and/or barrel hood, even 38 Super.

*Edit, oh I didn't see the no Glocks, no XD, no steel, no striker caveats.
No worries with the XD. XD's have one of the shortest leade lengths of any 9mm. I wouldn't include that on a list of "eats anything" pistols.
But your requirements seemingly only leave the FNX and the PX4 unless you consider custom or random foreign stuff (BUL or boutique polymer 1911's, off the top of my head).

[Mike1234567]

When it comes to "the most" reliability with crappy ammo... wouldn't a revolver be the logical choice?

[JROC]

I was also going to vote for a G19, but with that said my CZ 75 Pre-B eats everything I feed it, but it's a steel gun. By eliminating Glocks and steel guns off your candidates of guns that will reliably fire pretty much any cheap bow bow ammo you have greatly subtracted from you're options as both Glocks and CZ 75's are two of the best candidates for that. Are you wanting a hammer so that you can de-cock the gun with a round cambered?

I'm sorry, but if you want a extremely reliable gun that will hold up to most any abuse and beg for more, and fire anything, anytime you pull the trigger then taking Glocks off your gun option list because you just have some bias against the brand Glock is pretty stupid, and people do it all the time. I was never a Glock fan, but I wanted a 10mm, and I feel the G20 is the best 10mm bang for the buck with all things considered, and after owning a Glock I have come to really appreciate just how good a gun it really is, and I don't even think it looks that bad anymore. I wouldn't have believed I would say this before buying my Glock, but it's actually even become my favorite gun, and I've very fond of all my handguns. I like it so much that I'm currently looking around for a good deal on a Gen3 G19. Hell if someone dared me I'd probably throw my glock in the mud and pick it up and empty a magazine with it just to show how good it is. That's one of the cool things about Glock, you just don't care if they get abused some because they just hold up to it. I could probably throw either my 1911 or CZ 75 in the dirt and pick them up and fire them, but I guarantee you that I never would, and would probably have a fit if I dropped one of them in the dirt by accident, and would go home and clean them really good. With my Glock I'd feel comfortable spraying it off with a water hose and calling it good until I got some free time to sit down and clean it. To me my Glock is like my DD truck that's my primary vehicle that I work, and that's reliable and doesn't let me down, and that I could care less if it gets a little dirty, and my other guns are like my sports car that I want to keep looking nice, but not drive it around all the time even though they would work fine in that roll.

It sounds to me like you are trying to buy a tool from your description and not fancy gun that you drool over. A Glock would feel the requirement you've posted perfectly other than it not having a hammer. JMO

[Boatsman]

I like my CZ SP01 Panthom, great capacity and has shot everything thrown at it so far.

[GLOOB]

When it comes to "the most" reliability with crappy ammo... wouldn't a revolver be the logical choice?
I don't think so. They don't have a good track record. The moonclips are too thin. When they get bent, you get light strikes. Well, you could always ditch the moon clips and eject with a pencil.

[Strykervet]

My G17 seems to digest everything. Some slicker than others, but all go down just the same.

[Mike1234567]

I don't think so. They don't have a good track record. The moonclips are too thin. When they get bent, you get light strikes. Well, you could always ditch the moon clips and eject with a pencil.

Doesn't that weakness depend on the make/model? I can't imagine "all" revolvers having weak moon clips.

[meanmrmustard]

S&W sigma.

[bikerdoc]

Bereta/Taurus 92
CZ 75
Ruger P95

Just my own experience YMMV

[wnycollector]

My 3rd gen S&W M910 has eaten everything from RNL reloads to russian FMJ plus LOTS of +P+ 115gr JHP's.

[sarduy]

glock,sw sigma , taurus, ria.. all great choice

[harmon rabb]

I can only speak from personal experience, but my xd45 doesn't give a flying rat's arse what cheapass ammo i feed it. Tula, Wolf, doesn't matter, works fine.

I have never tried that cheap crap in my 9's, so I don't know. However, based on that, I'd be fairy confident that a xd9 would work fine with anything.

[Carne Frio]

No Glocks ? OK, S&W 547 and 940
can shoot any 9mm. Mine do.

[armoredman]

CZ 75 SP-01 Phantom works for me, or the CZ 75 P-07 Duty. CZs are known for a short chamber in some models, but I haven't had any issues yet. That Phantom just keeps running right along with whatever I shove into it.:cool:

[harmon rabb]

Er, wait, can we include guns chambered in 9x18? ;) In that case, I nominate, uh, anything chambered in 9x18. I don't think any of my 9x18 pistols (and i have pretty much at least one of each) have ever seen a round of brass cased quality anything, and they all work fine.

[Snowdog]

The wickedly horrendous ammunition that seized my K9 (American Ammunition) in 2000 or so was devoured by my Glock 19. The chamber of the G19 would allow the non-resized American Ammo to be fed without issue whereas the same stuff would bind up a K9 and Taurus PT99.

Nothing else I fired through my K9 or PT99 caused issues. I don't know if American Ammunition upgraded their garbage since I had the misfortune of buying it, but IMHO it has to be the worse commercial stuff out there. If my G19 ate the stuff, it says a lot about its tolerance for "crappy" ammo.

[Dr.Rob]

If you want to shoot cruddy steel case stuff get a pistol made in the former eastern bloc where that was more common.

ie CZ75, HS -2000 (Springfiled XDM), FEG Hi-Power.

I'd rule out anything with polygonal rifling as its not recommended with lead bullets.. and lead RN might be the cheapest re-loads you could possibly encounter.

[1SOW]

CZ75s and XD 9mm tend to have the least headspace.

My 75B and my son's Shadow are fussy about HP/conical nose or FP OALs being too long. My 75B also didn't like extracting aluminum cased Blazer rn.

[Thompsoncustom]

Never had any problem with ammo in my cz 75b But I have heard problems with oal but no problems here yet. Haven't had any problem extracting alum case but I also run an EX powered extractor spring so your experience may vary.

[Carter]

Another praise for the CZ phantom. Mine eats everything from Tula to +p+ rangers. I love it. I just wish there were more holster options for it. Till recently it was god awful.

My ruger sr9c eats everything I put through it as well.

Now-a-days I think if you buy any firearm from a reputable company you'll get great performance with just about any ammo.

[The-Reaver]

I own a G17 and a PT92AF So if it does HTF currently I'm good, I just want something that I can call my own that feels better than 92, ( The G17 is the wifes )

[5-SHOTS]

Beretta 92 according to old US military tests...

[Pops 1]

G19
Beretta PX4
Ruger P95

[Dogguy]

Define "crappiest ammo".

If the ammo really is crap as opposed to just cheap ammo that always goes bang with a projectile coming out the front, there's no gun that can make it usable let alone dependable.

While I see you added that you will only consider hammer-fired guns, I have to say that my striker-fired 9mm Glocks as well as my hammer-fired SIGs have digested all types of usable ammunition very reliably. I would expect the same of all the 9mm handguns that have been around long enough to develop a good reputation.

[Fishbed77]

The Walther P99 has an excellent reputation for eating any ammo you can feed it.

However, the owner's manual says explicity not to use +P+ ammo (which I wouldn't use in any gun I liked anyway).

[1SOW]

Thompsoncustom: Never had any problem with ammo in my cz 75b But I have heard problems with oal but no problems here yet. Haven't had any problem extracting alum case but I also run an EX powered extractor spring so your experience may vary.

I also put in the X-tra power extractor spring and shot one box of Blazer aluminum successfully. Never shot it again though, and that's been years ago....I reload.

[dmlehto]

Hi-point c9?

[jimbeaux82]

I vote for the Taurus 92/99 series. Less expensive than the Beretta, safety system more to my liking (allows C&L carry) and mine will digest anything and everything I have fed it for the last 20 years, including some old crappy Egyptian mil surp that I bought. Fires brass, aluminum and all brands of steel cased ammo that I have tried. Eats hollowpoints like it was candy. It is a quality, dependable, no nonsense pistol.

[Cop Bob]

Dependable with ANYTHING you feed it, and has to have a hammer... Uh, that would be a Revolver..

Only exception in 9mm I found to that rule wouldn't make the list either.. acquired an MP-40 a long time ago, that we would stuff the culls off the 9mm press at the range,, split cases, push backs, shaved lead and cases, inverted bullets... it fed them all like shucking corn.. was and amazingly dependable gun.. don't think it ever failed to feed anything.. of course the tolerances were so loose..

[BIGBANG]

how about a sccy or skyy or skky three different names means it's gotta be good right!!!!:evil: hahahahahaha just kiddin, I'm throwin in my hat for the ruger sr9c concealable and its eatin all the steal cased i've fed it. which is all I shoot in it cause its cheap lol.

[MCgunner]

My Ruger P85. It'll feed ANYTHING reasonable. Now, if it's .380 power level, it might require a lighter spring.

Don't have a PT92 Taurus, but they're fantastically reliable.

[marb4]

357 magnum revolver. You can take deer size game with one (loaded with magnum rounds) and also stock up on and practice with the relativly cheaper 38 special rounds. Obviously this is neither an auto loader or 9mm but would be very versatile in a survial type situation. I own two 9mm's - a Beretta 92FS and Browning HiPower. Both generally considered toward the top of the heap in the reliable 9mm category however though rare, I have experienced stoppages with both. My Ruger GP100 in 357 mag has never once failed to go bang when I've squeezed the trigger. Just a thought...

P.S. Revolvers are generally more complex machines than autoloaders (which might suggest they are more prone to failure) however their advantage is that they are not dependent on the quality of the ammunition to function.

[JustinJ]

Hk usp.

[Thompsoncustom]

Hi-point c9?

Not a bad idea as i'm sure it wouldn't hurt the gun any but they are picky about ammo most the time.


Thompsoncustom:
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Never had any problem with ammo in my cz 75b But I have heard problems with oal but no problems here yet. Haven't had any problem extracting alum case but I also run an EX powered extractor spring so your experience may vary.
I also put in the X-tra power extractor spring and shot one box of Blazer aluminum successfully. Never shot it again though, and that's been years ago....I reload.

Ya don't really run it either as I want to get into reloading and have been saving up brass.

[MikeNice]

CZ75s and XD 9mm tend to have the least headspace.

My 75B and my son's Shadow are fussy about HP/conical nose or FP OALs being too long. My 75B also didn't like extracting aluminum cased Blazer rn.
Wow. My CZ 75 P-07 Duty shoots everything. I haven't tried aluminum or steel ammo yet. However, it has taken every 115, 124, and 147gr bullet I put in it. It didn't matter if it was round nose, flat nose, or hollow point. It went in the magazine and came out the muzzle.