Best of the cheap Colt SAA clones?


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RyanAnchors
August 10, 2011, 06:02 AM
Both 6.5"
Both .22LR and .22WMR combo guns.

EAA Bounty Hunter (http://www.midwesthuntersoutlet.com/item.aspx?PID=2870&w=PQ%2BJDyOLrQE%3D) - $239 local

Heritage Rough Rider (http://www.midwesthuntersoutlet.com/item.aspx?PID=3896&w=PQ%2BJDyOLrQE%3D) - $165 local

Thoughts?

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PRM
August 10, 2011, 09:19 AM
I've got 2 Cimarron Uberti(s). Both required some work out of the box. I have 3 of the Uberti black powder revolvers that have never given any problems. Uberti is a pretty good gun


I have a friend and co-worker who has a pair of Pietta 1858s. Beautiful guns that have never given problems.

You would most likely be happy with either brand. Just keep in mind that you are not buying a $1500 high end SAA and small glitches are usually an easy fix. Most will be great shooters out of the box. There are a lot of them sold and you will only hear about the small percentage that have a hiccup.

I would not waste my money buying a Uberti from an importer who basically puts their name on the gun and claims higher QC. My personal experience is that there is no difference in the basic gun.

loadedround
August 10, 2011, 09:22 AM
Have you considered at all, the Ruger Vaquero revolvers. I would suggest that you do.

towboat_er
August 10, 2011, 10:31 AM
If possible, keep the AK and just buy the cowboy gun. If ya keep hitting he gun shops, and pawn whops you'll find a good deal on one. I recently bought an AWA Longhorn for $300 out the door.
http://www.gunauction.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=9806421&oh=216543

InkEd
August 10, 2011, 10:36 AM
I would look for a used Ruger.

Lonerider357
August 10, 2011, 10:45 AM
Ruger is best but not a copy of a SAA Colt. The best Copy is a USFA, but expensive. Still of SA pistols can't go wrong with a Ruger!

squarles67
August 10, 2011, 10:49 AM
Another Vaquero vote. A Ruger can be carried safely with 6, Colt and clones are only safe with 5 and hammer down on an empty chamber

The Bushmaster
August 10, 2011, 10:49 AM
WOW!! Ya mean my Colt SAA is worth around $1500? I only paid $136.00 for it brand new [in 1966]...

bannockburn
August 10, 2011, 12:49 PM
Another one you might want to consider is the Beretta Stampede, also made by Uberti. I have been very pleased with mine, both in its construction and performance,

CraigC
August 10, 2011, 01:49 PM
I stick with the later model Uberti-made guns. IMHO, they are better than anything made by Pietta. I like to buy from Dixie Gun Works because I can drive there and inspect the gun before purchase. If I'm ordering one, I get it from Cimarron.

When what you want is a traditional SAA or replica, no New Model Ruger will do!

1KPerDay
August 10, 2011, 01:59 PM
WOW!! Ya mean my Colt SAA is worth around $1500? I only paid $136.00 for it brand new [in 1966]...
I'll give you double that... ;)

tpelle
August 10, 2011, 04:47 PM
IMHO, I prefer the standard Colt SAA mechanism even if you do have to keep one of the chambers unloaded. It's part of the charm..........and also why I dislike Rugers. Each to his own, I guess.

There's also the EAA Bounty Hunter, which is a German-made SAA clone that uses the half-cock-to-load mechanism like the original Colts, but includes a transfer bar safety a la Ruger that makes it safe to carry with all six loaded. Bud's has a 4-1/2" .45 Colt for $352.00, and this pistol was very favorably reviewed on Gunblast.com and in John Taffin's "Single Action Sixguns".

Amb
August 10, 2011, 05:03 PM
WOW!! Ya mean my Colt SAA is worth around $1500? I only paid $136.00 for it brand new [in 1966]...

Good deal, given that $136 in 1966 is about $904 in 2010.

RyanAnchors
August 10, 2011, 11:08 PM
Yes. I know that Rugers have the transfer bar and you can open the gate without half-cock, which is why I don't want one. I want something that really feels old school.

WOW!! Ya mean my Colt SAA is worth around $1500? I only paid $136.00 for it brand new [in 1966]...

I'll give you triple! :p

Hondo 60
August 11, 2011, 01:52 AM
I have a Uberti 1873 Cattleman New Model Brass and a Cimmaron Model P.
(they're identical except the Uberti has a brass backstrap & trigger guard)

If I were doing it again, I wouldn't bother with the Cimmaron.
When I got it, all the screws were loose, and it's not quite as accurate as the Uberti brand.

The Cimmaron is a nice gun, but I like the Uberti just a tiny bit better.

And I like the authenticity of having the firing pin on the hammer.

None of that safety crap for me. :eek:

DPris
August 11, 2011, 04:06 AM
The Cimarron was made by Uberti.
Denis

mj246
August 11, 2011, 06:48 AM
It's my understanding that Cimarron and Taylor use Uberti parts, but, at least to some extent, put the guns together themselves. However, I have no personal experience with those and can't compare them to regular Uberti's.

CraigC
August 11, 2011, 09:18 AM
No. Uberti makes the guns, Cimarron and Taylor's merely import them. The only difference is the importer's name gets stamped on them. Along with others, such as Dixie Gun Works, as I mentioned.

USPFA, early on, imported Uberti parts, doing their own fitting and finishing. That is, until switching to all domestically sourced parts.

DPris
August 11, 2011, 12:28 PM
Craig has it- neither Taylor's nor Cimarron are makers, they're just importers.
Each contracts with Uberti for features & configurations, but both buy guns from the same source.
Denis

Quantrill
August 11, 2011, 03:04 PM
Get the real thing. A Colt is not really all that much more money, and look at the investment possibilities.

CraigC
August 11, 2011, 03:40 PM
A Colt is not really all that much more money...
A new Colt costs three times what your average Uberti replica does.


...and look at the investment possibilities.
Except for those rare variations, most of your 3rd generation SAA's are a very poor investment.


If you want a vastly better sixgun at roughly double the price, buy a USFA.

MachIVshooter
August 12, 2011, 03:48 AM
A Ruger can be carried safely with 6, Colt and clones are only safe with 5 and hammer down on an empty chamber

The Uberti-made Beretta Stampede has a transfer bar. Aside from that, it's identical to the standard Ubertis

ArchAngelCD
August 12, 2011, 04:41 AM
Yes. I know that Rugers have the transfer bar and you can open the gate without half-cock, which is why I don't want one. I want something that really feels old school.
There's a kit to fix that "problem". It gives you the half-cock and the 4 clicks when you cock the hammer. I'm sorry I don't remember who does the conversion but I'm sure you can find it on the net. I think it's LongHunter.

Even though I think the Pietta guns are much better than the Uberti guns I have to go with the Taylor gun from the 3 your listed. Taylor does get their parts from Uberti but I think they assemble them here in the USA and make sure the fit & finish is much better than what you get directly from Uberti.

CraigC
August 12, 2011, 09:45 AM
The half-cock "kit" for Rugers is made by Power Custom. It's a very good system and works well. Not quite the feel of a traditional gun but quite good. Only two clicks though. Alpha Precision also offers a half cock conversion utilizing the original parts.

Once again, Taylor's does not build guns. They simply import them from Uberti with their name on them. Just like Cimarron and Dixie Gun Works.

The Bushmaster
August 12, 2011, 10:48 AM
Love my Colt, boys. Sorry. Not for sale at any price....Well maybe...

And you can load all 6 chambers and rest the hammer between cylinders. Old gun slinger trick.

CraigC
August 12, 2011, 12:26 PM
And you can load all 6 chambers and rest the hammer between cylinders.
Which places the bolt at rest on the cylinder between the notches. Which leads to the dreaded cylinder ring. Not worth it for one extra shot, not my single actions!

DPris
August 12, 2011, 02:20 PM
Once again, agreeing with Craig.
Taylors does not "make" or assemble or finish guns.
Each importer specifies features & degree of finish they want, the Uberti factory builds 'em accordingly.

Denis

BCRider
August 12, 2011, 05:25 PM
I'm new to the whole shooting game but I've got a mix of Uberti and Pietta guns for my cowboy action duties.

The two Uberti Reminton '58 clones are superbly made guns dating back around 12 years ago to when they were born. My Pietta cartridge guns in .38 are newer and new with even the oldest only being 5 years old.

At one time Uberti led the way for quality. But Pietta seems to have caught up in the last few years and both myself from personal experience as well as the black powder gang here at THR seem to agree that Pietta has come up to Uberti's quality in recent years. Even to the point where some of the black powder clan prefer one brand for certain models over the same from the other brand. I know that my two '73 Pietta clones give up nothing either externally or internally to my older C&B Uberti Remingtons. Fit, finish and trigger are superb. Not too light, not too heavy and only a hair of creep right out of the box.

Ruger's are also great guns and deserve every bit of their reputation. But they are just "a wolf in sheep's clothing" if you're looking for a true 4 click original style Colt action. They may well be A single action but they are not a proper copy of THE single action... :D

RyanAnchors
August 13, 2011, 06:17 AM
Hmm. There seems to be FAR more opinions on Pietta and Uberti than on the specific importers (which I have been told can vary quite a bit even if they're both from the same "parent" manufacturer).

Maybe I need a more effective way to ask the question or I should ask on a SASS forum.

aryfrosty
August 13, 2011, 08:14 AM
My primary SASS revolver is a Ruger stainless Vaquero Bisley .45C. My crossdraw is a Ruger stainless Vaquero birdshead in .45C
In the cowboy shooting matches you have to load 5 even in a Ruger. I like the ability to load 6, especially since I enjoy carrying my birdshead as a CCW.

MrAcheson
August 13, 2011, 11:45 AM
The Uberti-made Beretta Stampede has a transfer bar. Aside from that, it's identical to the standard UbertisRumor has it that the Stampede's transfer bar design doesn't hold up especially well in SASS competition. The Heritage is a Pietta-made gun that also uses a transfer bar.

savit260
August 13, 2011, 12:32 PM
And you can load all 6 chambers and rest the hammer between cylinders. Old gun slinger trick.

wouldn't you be running the risk of shearing off the end of the firing pin or having it ride up on to a live round, seeing as the cylinder is free to rotate in that position?

DWFan
August 13, 2011, 12:50 PM
Another vote here for the EAA Bounty Hunter. 4.5" or 7.5" barrels in .357 Mag, .44 Mag and .45 Colt plus a combo .22LR/.22 Mag in six or eight shot. The cylinder of the Bounty Hunter is 1.76" long (with recessed rims) and nearly the same diameter as a S&W N-frame so it'll handle loads a lot of clones can't. Nickel, blue or color-case finish.
A pretty good value for $350-$365 new.

RyanAnchors
August 13, 2011, 04:16 PM
Wow that is a good deal^ who makes them?

RyanAnchors
August 13, 2011, 10:43 PM
Found this on the EAA Bounty Hunter.
It IS the old Hawes Western Marshall.

Those guns were made by the folks who now make the Sig pistols. When sig got out of the six shooter business they sold the tooling and machinery for the western marshall line to Weirauch.

Its the same gun. Hawes was just the American importer who marketed the gun. When they went under, FIE started importing it, calling it the Bounty Hunter.

That would make them cousin to the Herter's PowerMag since those were also produced by Sauer & Sohn. Interesting.

DWFan
August 14, 2011, 02:46 AM
The Bounty Hunter is an upgraded Arminius which came after the Hawes and is a sort-of cousin to the Sauer and Sohns Herter's PowerMag. As far as I know, parts will not interchange though. The address and full name of the company is, Hermann Weihrauch Revolver GmbH, Postfach 25, 97634 Mellrichstadt. Their phone number is (+49)9776-707678. They are presently imported by EAA.
John Taffin has been to the factory and owns a specially serial numbered .45 Colt. Paco Kelly uses them and did a write-up on one of his .357's...
http://www.gunblast.com/Paco_WineRoses.htm
Bob Munden does his Option 1 action jobs on them and knows them inside and out. Colt stocks will fit them. They do have a flat mainspring/transfer-bar ignition and will not take things like fanning.

tpelle
August 14, 2011, 10:26 AM
I have the .22 Bounty Hunter, and really like it. Here's a thread I started from when I bought it. Go to post #5, and I have a write-up on with pictures:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=600240&highlight=22+plinker

I seriously thought about buying a .45 Colt version, but couldn't find one in a longer barrel length so I bought a Cimarron Model P instead.

RyanAnchors
August 14, 2011, 06:55 PM
That looks really nice tpelle.

I wish I could find that same one in the case color.

DWFan
August 14, 2011, 09:56 PM
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