What Red Dots do you own that work and are cheap?


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Sky
August 13, 2011, 07:13 PM
Ok everyone knows the Red Dots that cost over $400 work and work well. Some have batteries that last 8 years etc etc. The purpose of this thread is to speak to those who have spent a lot less for a Red Dot and have been satisfied with their function.

Myself I use red dots for hunting in brush or non-open fields of fire where if I see a target I just bring the gun up as my eyes follow the target until the dot is in a place on said target I want to hit. I do like the ability to follow a fast moving Pig or critter with my eyes until the dot matches where I want to shoot.

I have used an Aimpoint, Vortex Strikefire, Vortex Sparc ( have not hunted with it yet..just got it) and am thinking about maybe purchasing the TSR-25. I much prefer a dot that is 3 MOA or less but that is my choice for hunting.

I know there are guys/gals around here that have had (less expensive) Red Dots mounted on their weapons for a while and have experienced no (NONE) problems with their units. I was thinking it would be nice to hear from those folks instead of the Aimpoint, Eotech, Trijicon, high end guys/gals.

If you post let us know how long you have had the sight and the caliber or rifle/handgun it is mounted on. The good, the bad, and the sucks from you point of view about the Sight.

Have thought about picking up a http://www.opticsplanet.net/leatherwood-hi-lux-optics-1x30mm-red-dot-tactical-sight-es1x30tp.html...$74 3 and 5 MOA dot. Have never looked at one except on youtube.

or a http://www.opticsplanet.net/bushnell-1x25-trophy-series-riflescope-trs-25-red-dot-731303.html $95 with 3 MOA dot... youtube mounted on an AK

I own a Vortex Strikefire.$150ish..mounted on AR 5.56/223
never had a problem but wish the dot were smaller it is 4 MOA..http://www.opticsplanet.net/vortex-strikefire-red-dot-scopes-ar15-hunt.html

Aimpoint came with a rifle and I sold the Aimpoint. Great scope from what I could tell but never went hunting with it.. Sold for $340 http://www.opticsplanet.net/aimpoint-9000sc-red-dot-sight.html

The Vortex Sparc has a very nice 2 MOA dot and is a small little optic. The different mounts that come with the Sparc make it easy to get a co-witness with iron sights. http://www.opticsplanet.net/vortex-sparc-red-dot-sight-sprc.html It is presently mounted on an AR .22 upper until my 7.62x39 upper gets here.

My usage is for hunting (usually for pigs with occasion Jack Rabbit thrown in) so my requirements are for stuff I can use and if it fails get it worked on by warranty (can't beat Vortex warranty) or just toss it; either way no big deal. If I knew the dreaded Zombie Armageddon attack was coming without resupply or air support then I would probably go see if I can get the Aimpoint back!

There are probably better prices to be found than where I have provided the links to but for ease of posting I used Opticsplanet. Usually they do have fairly competitive pricing.:scrutiny:

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G27RR
August 13, 2011, 07:19 PM
Burris FastFire II, well under $200 usually, which is getting pricier but not too far off the Vortex. Had mine quite a while in a 1 o'clock mount on a LaRue OBR 5.56mm as a backup/CQB type optic to go with a 3-10x40 Weaver mildot. Only complaint is the metal on the head of the mounting screw is a little soft.

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n634/G27RR/LaRue%20RISR/IMG_2980.jpg

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n634/G27RR/LaRue%20RISR/IMG_2977.jpg

acmax95
August 13, 2011, 07:22 PM
I currently own two red dots. I like both of them quite a bit.

I have a cheap Tasco from Wal-Mart on my Ruger MKII 10" and it works quite well. I bought another for use on an SKS and it didn't seem to be as good as the first I bought. I ended up selling it at a flea market. These run around $35.

I have a Primary Arms Micro Dot on my new AR-15 and it is a great optic. It is much better quality than the Tasco and is much easier to shoot with. These cost about $80 plus whichever mounting option you go with. I like this red dot but I probably should have went with one of their larger offerings for my AR.

AEA
August 13, 2011, 07:25 PM
Aimpoint CompM4

Rail Driver
August 13, 2011, 07:25 PM
I use a BSA red dot on my 5.56mm AR. I haven't had any problems with it losing zero or anything and battery life is as advertised (about 80-90 hrs on time). It has even held zero through several hundred rounds fired using a slide fire SSAR-15 stock (which subjects the entire upper to a fair bit of back and forth shaking). It cost me $20

willymc
August 13, 2011, 07:33 PM
I've got a BSA RD30 on my TC Contender chambered for the .35 remington. Works great!

mmitch
August 13, 2011, 07:46 PM
Had a Hakko on my Bushie, 'til Mr. EO Tech came along. I don't know what they sell for, now but I paid a C-note for it in '04. Good low-end Holographic with 4 reticle choices.

Mike

Furncliff
August 13, 2011, 07:49 PM
I have several red dot sights but the only one I could recommend is the Bushnell Trophy Red Dot. I paid almost $200 for it maybe 7 years ago. They are under a hundred now. I've had it on several rifles, including a .357 carbine with +P loads. I've had no problems, and I don't have any complaints. However the next time I will look for something with a bigger lens.

Sky
August 13, 2011, 07:53 PM
Rail Driver wrote: I use a BSA red dot on my 5.56mm AR. I haven't had any problems with it losing zero or anything and battery life is as advertised (about 80-90 hrs on time). It has even held zero through several hundred rounds fired using a slide fire SSAR-15 stock (which subjects the entire upper to a fair bit of back and forth shaking). It cost me $20

Gosh I like happy endings that only cost $20!! I would never have thought it would hold up under those conditions.

DoubleTapDrew
August 13, 2011, 07:58 PM
I have EO Techs on my guns that could be called upon for serious use but I picked up a BSA 30mm red dot for a range toy. I was surprised how well it held up (about 3 years). When the battery died I went to change it and somehow the dot intensity knob got loose with no way I could figure out to tighten it (BSA support said just replace it). I picked up another one recently and after one mag on a 9mm carbine it started acting up, and not staying on unless it was between intensities (like it would be off for 9 or 10 but put the knob inbetween them and it would stay on). I sent it back to Midway and got a replacement that is working fine so far.
If I get another 3 years out of it I think it's worth the $30 they cost.
My next likely purchase is a midwest industries mount with the primary arms aimpoint micro clone to put on an AK.
I'd love to outfit everything with aimpoints/eo techs/ and ACOGs but I don't have the income to do that so I have to prioritize what gets what.

M2 Carbine
August 13, 2011, 10:03 PM
I have a couple dozen $30 BSA Red Dot sights on everything from 22 pistols to 12 ga shotguns. I also have a couple old Aimpoint and Tasco Red Dot sights.
I don't like to keep swapping sights so for some years when I need a Red Dot sight I just buy another one. As it turned out the inexpensive BSA worked well and gave good service so I just kept buying them.
The dot isn't as sharp as a expensive sight but it's good enough.
BSA on a Ruger Charger 22LR.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/Ruger1022pistol50ydtarget.jpg

Over the years I've had a couple BSA go bad but they are so cheap I don't even bother with the warranty. Just throw them away and buy another one.

Just yesterday I was shooting a BSA equipped 12 ga loaded with a very hot Buck and Ball load. Frankly I've been surprised that a $30 sight will hold up under such punishment.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/ShotgunCenturianBB.jpg

A few BSA Red Dots.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/AKpistolandYugo.jpg

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/UZIBSARedDot.jpg

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/PLRCarbinesling-1.jpg

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/SWMPwBSA.jpg

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/IthacawithTLR2andBSA.jpg

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/M4withStreamlight.jpg

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/SIG522.jpg

Sky
August 13, 2011, 11:10 PM
M2 Carbine 30 bucks for something you are obvisously sold on is one heck of a good deal.

M2 Carbine
August 13, 2011, 11:53 PM
M2 Carbine 30 bucks for something you are obvisously sold on is one heck of a good deal.
Yes I'm glad when I started using Red Dot sights, years ago, I ran across the BSA. I had bought a couple Aimpoints, good sights but expensive. Tried a couple $70 Tasco. These also worked good. I tried a couple others, including the BSA. The BSA isn't a Aim point but for $30 I didn't expect it to be. As I equipped more guns with the BSA and the sight worked fine, it became apparent that the cheap sight was the way to go.

I'm sure there are a number of good to excellent sights in the $100 to $200 range. I just haven't had any need to look for them.:)


BTW,
BSA has a three color $30 sight. Don't buy it. I bought three and didn't get around to using one until last week. The dots are too big, badly blurred and too bright. Kind of like a teardrop shape. Precision shooting is out of the question.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemDetail.aspx?sku=SCP-509




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gbran
August 14, 2011, 12:07 AM
JPoint, Tru-Glo and Millett. No problems.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/gbran/Hunters.jpg

DoubleTapDrew
August 14, 2011, 12:46 AM
Confession:
M2 Carbine was my motivation to go with a BSA. I needed a red dot for my PLR-16 and his seemed to be holding up fine and looked good on the little blasters so I went with that. I don't regret it, they are fine optics for the price!

heron
August 14, 2011, 01:06 AM
I have a Sightmark (http://www.opticsplanet.net/yukon-sightmark-reflex-sight-sm13003b.html) that works great, 3MOA dot, holds zero. It's a genuine pain to sight in, but once there, it's good. Reticle image is crisp; four choices of reticle.

I also have a BSA red-blue-green 1x30 that is a piece of junk; the reticle images quickly became smeared and the control switch broke.

FROGO207
August 14, 2011, 04:13 AM
Well I have 3 BSA's, 2 Millett's, and a Tasco. They all work OK but the Tasco does not hold well sometimes. I bought a couple of the $10 cheapie specials and lets say they will cease to function after a couple shots with a .22 rifle. No I did not shoot holes in them!! The BSA has held up on my 500S&W HandiRifle for 4 years of heavy target shooting so far.:D I like the Millett with a B-Square clamp on mount on my Ruger MK II 10" target pistols due to them all being stainless/aluminum to coordinate color.

Mike1234567
August 14, 2011, 09:48 AM
I hope this thread receives tons of responses. I'm also very interested in finding fair-priced red dot and reflex sites. I know they're out there but it would be very nice to know which ones are durable and long-lasting and which ones to avoid.

Sky
August 14, 2011, 10:37 AM
Mike 1234567 Wrote: I hope this thread receives tons of responses. I'm also very interested in finding fair-priced red dot and reflex sites. I know they're out there but it would be very nice to know which ones are durable and long-lasting and which ones to avoid.

Me to Mike.

Deanimator
August 14, 2011, 10:43 AM
I have 1" UltraDots on all three of my bullseye guns. I've never seen anything work better for that purpose.

Ruddie
August 14, 2011, 10:49 AM
Oddly enough I just bought a UTG red dot. The only reason I spent $30 on it was I had just got through watching a UTG rep do a true torture test on one and it survived.
He submerged it, dropped it, kicked it around and actually beat it with a freaking hammer. It still shot true after all of that.
As rough as I am on things I was shocked at how well this guy was trying to break it. It still freakin worked.
I figure for $30 I could have a "live and learn" moment... I plan on giving it my own personal torture test before I decide to mount it in something important...

Sky
August 14, 2011, 11:02 AM
I have 1" UltraDots on all three of my bullseye guns. I've never seen anything work better for that purpose

The only draw back for me is the 4 MOA dot. They have got to be good if they survive mounted on top the slider of an auto!

Dot size for pistols at close range is not as big a deal as it is with rifles. .22lr popping squirrels (small varmints) at 50 to 75 yards I would much rather see the varmint than have it covered by the dot. I might get flamed for that but that is my thinking on dot size. CQC some of the guys are using 4 to 7 MOA dots for quicker shots but for me I want a pin prick of red/green or whatever on the target. The Vortex Strikefire is great for popping pigs with it's 4 MOA dot size. But at a range over say 50 yards the dot will hide a small refined target.

AK103K
August 14, 2011, 01:05 PM
A lot of this all depends on use too.

"Cheap" is sort of a deceiving term. Cheap isnt always "cheap", in the long run.

If youre a recreational shooter, and "use" is taking the gun from the rack or safe, and going to the range, firing a few rounds, and back home again, your likely to have different results than someone who stores and uses the gun as a working type gun.

Early on, I went through a bunch of both cheap, and not so cheap red dots on a couple of AK's, AR's, and a few other things, with not great success. BSA, Tasco, Bushnell, and a few others. With "moderate" use, none held up. Some wouldnt hold zero, some worked intermittently, some quit working altogether, all had a battery life on them that was miserably short, and had to be constantly replaced.


I bought my first Aimpoint, a Comp M2, back when they first came out. Still have it, and its still on the same gun. It has more than a few thousands of rounds under its belt, and I change the battery once a year (its on 24/7/365), whether it needs it or not.

I also have five other guns some with M2's, others with ML2's mounted on them, all with the same results.

Just in batteries alone, Ive saved a bunch of money. What I spend a year for batteries on all the Aimpoints, is less that what Id spend in a month on one of the cheaper sights, if I was shooting it a lot, and/or forgot to turn it off when put away. Bear in mind now too, these are "older" Aimpoint units, the newer models run 9+ years on one battery now.

If you dial in time and use into the equation, "cheap" can take on a slightly different meaning. Over time, my "expensive" Aimpoints really only cost me about $60 a year, and it keeps going down. My $200 Bushnell didnt even make it a year. Which is "cheaper"?

I just wish I had back the money I spent early on for the "cheaper" sights and their batteries. I could have bought a couple more Aimpoints.

Legionnaire
August 14, 2011, 01:40 PM
While I think I'd want an Aimpoint or something similar for serious work, I've had very good experience with Millett red dots for plinking and other casual use. I've not used a red dot for hunting, but think the Millett would be the lowest quality I would use for that application.

Sky
August 14, 2011, 01:41 PM
I think we all agree the Aimpoints are fantastic, well made, long lived and will keep on dotting for a very long time with a single charge of battery. Tis true over time a break even point is reached with cost analysis.

The problem is we have many who have a very hard time with affording a 3 or 4 hundred dollar weapon and then ammo much less a $400 Red Dot and then purchasing the mount for another $?? they may not be satisfied or able to use effectively. It is amazing already in this thread just how cheap and satisfied some are with their purchases.

I would like to have purchased the same scopes for my long shooters; but I did not do because there were deals on other brands that worked just fine for my purposes. If all my collection had Red Dots ( I hate to swap optics) it would be nice to have the same make and model...but alas some will have El cheapo (for .22lrs) and some will have a more robust longer lived super duper dotagusmaximous on others.

Batty67
August 14, 2011, 02:29 PM
Just ordered a Vortex SPARC and should have it in a day or so for my M1 carbine (Auto Ordnance), after I did a lot of internet/forum research. Seems to have a very sollid reputation and a lot fo nice features, and a 2 MOA dot. I'll let everyone know what I think after I mount and shoot it...

Stevie-Ray
August 14, 2011, 10:13 PM
I have a 30 dollar Tasco on my GSG-5 and a 59 dollar Pentax on my PLR-16, and both have been perfect.

MaterDei
August 14, 2011, 10:53 PM
I have two red dots.

1. Aimpoint CompM4 and
2. BSA cheapo

Frankly, other than battery life and the size of the dot, I see little difference between the two. I've had the BSA for 5 or 6 years longer than the Aimpoint which I bought about 4 years ago. The BSA takes a beating because my kids use it a lot. Nevertheless, it keeps ticking and doesn't seem to ever loose its zero.

Aimpoints are like expensive watches or expensive pens. They look good, they perform well, and they have a high wow factor. For the money, however, they are a rip off.

I'll never buy another Aimpoint but will most certainly buy a few more BSAs.

Gunnerboy
August 15, 2011, 01:15 AM
I got a busnell that i spent $100 bucks on its got red/green and 4 reticles i put it on a 10/22 for coon hunting and that thing has taken more than its fare share of slips and landings in ice and gravel and never lost zero id buy that one if i was you.

jmr40
August 15, 2011, 09:45 AM
Just ordered a Vortex SPARC and should have it in a day or so for my M1 carbine (Auto Ordnance), after I did a lot of internet/forum research. Seems to have a very sollid reputation and a lot fo nice features, and a 2 MOA dot. I'll let everyone know what I think after I mount and shoot it...

This is what I bought. Far better than the $30 dots and much closer to the $400+ units in quality.

http://swfa.com/Vortex-SPARC-Red-Dot-Sights-C2988.aspx

doc540
August 15, 2011, 10:28 AM
Primary Arms on the SBR and Kobra on the AK

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/AR15/DSCN4034-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/AK47/Romanian/DSCN0095-1.jpg

7thCavScout
August 15, 2011, 11:40 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/7thCavScout/th_BerettaNeos.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v200/7thCavScout/?action=view&current=BerettaNeos.jpg)

I learned a hard $50.00 lesson when it comes to "Cheap" Red Dots. I went this this NCStar and true to their reputation it was absolute garbage. I'm still looking for a replacement. So far I'm leaning towards a Bushnell Trophy Series Dot.

jdietz
August 15, 2011, 12:07 PM
I have several red dots on various rifles that function fine.

1) BSA 42mm Red Dot Sight 5 MOA on a .22 for my grandson $19.99 @ Natchez

2) A Tasco propoint (this is about 12 years old) on an SKS I paid $49.99 for it.

3) A Barska on a Kel-Tec SU16 A from Optics Planet $39.99 on sale

*NOVA*
August 15, 2011, 12:33 PM
With so many people saying they are happy with BSA, I'll have to take a serious look at them next time. Meanwhile, here's another vote for the Vortex StrikeFire. I have it mounted on an AR-15 and have taken it to the range only a couple of times. Holding zero prety well, but I have to agree with two other posters here, the dot on my scope is slightly out of round and although the intensity is adjustable with a choice of red or green, the relatively large size of the dot leaves room for improvement. I think it is worth the $150.00 I paid for it, but those BSAs at such a cheap price I'm thinking I could buy several and not have to swap them from gun to gun. Only negative I'm thinking is if the big blurry dot on the Vortex bothers me, how precise is the dot on the BSAs?

Mike1234567
August 15, 2011, 12:37 PM
OT: Has anyone disassembled there 5 MOA dot scope and tried to modify the size of the dot (smaller) with a small piece of thin aluminum precision drilled with an aperture smaller than the original?

Sky
August 15, 2011, 01:19 PM
Strikefire 4 MOA dot size is a tad bit to large for my preferences plus coupled with astigmatism it will make the dot look like a daisy. However if the intensity is turned down even with my shot eyes and no glasses the dot become clear and non-blurred. Have used the Stikefire for over a year now and it works. I did get the red dot only version in that some of the reviews I had seen said the red/green version was not as bright as the red dot only.

Still have not really got to test my Sparc for I am waiting on a different upper to mount it on. Originally it was going on a GSG-5 but would not co-witness on that rifle. Then I thought ok I will mount it on a YHM 7.62x39 upper but it has not arrived yet. I to will look at some of the offerings by BSA, Leatherwood and Bushnell like the TSR-25. Problem is again if a red dot is going on a .22 and most of your shots will be taken on small targets (in my way of thinking) I do not want the dot bigger than the target at 75 yards. SO.....2 MOA (or less) to put on 3 .22s is what I want for fun without spending enough to purchase a truck mounted 37mm direct from the slightly used market of the mid-east..!!

Sky
August 15, 2011, 01:33 PM
I have a Nikon 1x4 non illuminated rifle scope especially made for the AR. It is a good little scope and has never given me any problems. There are now illuminated scopes in the range of 1-4x30mm that might be better than a straight red dot. The eye relief on them may be a problem if you are hunting and need a quick point and shoot?? Dunno just a thought on something like this:http://www.millettsights.com/scopes/dms/
except they are getting back up there is price $300?? Same for the Burris http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.thedigitaloasis.com/Burris-200433-BUR-1X-4X-24MM-TAC30-ILLUM556_p_11337.html&usg=AFQjCNGct05Ao_QXzU5-UoqnlajYFyDJvQ&ei=BEpJTqSfBqnsxQWVg4zRDg&ved=0CDMQqxIwCg

Good news is they do have donut rings and 1 or 2 MOA dots. Bad news the mount can cost upwards of $60 for some.

Heretic
August 15, 2011, 02:59 PM
I have a Burris AR332 on my AR, and I just adore it. Cost around $300. I also have a Tasco propoint for a backup. Red for day, green for night on both.

sv51macross
August 15, 2011, 04:06 PM
^
About the AR332, IIRC the issues with skewed reticles were due to mis-aligned mounts, and Trijicon bases made everything square and copacetic, right? Will these things be okay on an A2 carry handle?

Sky
August 15, 2011, 04:47 PM
About the AR332, IIRC the issues with skewed reticles were due to mis-aligned mounts, and Trijicon bases made everything square and copacetic, right? Will these things be okay on an A2 carry handle

I would seriously consider not mounting anything on the actual carry handle of your AR. Mount it forward of the carry handle ( scout mode) and as with the Strikefire it will co-witness perfectly (others will too). Have popped many a pig with that set up....welll many for me!

northark147
August 15, 2011, 05:00 PM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the LUCID HD7 Yet.

http://mylucidgear.com/reddot.php

I tend to prefer mine over my Aimpoint CompM2. At first I was concerned with its durability, but I have since abused it quite a bit and its still holding strong. Great Red Dot for 250 bucks.

RalphS
August 15, 2011, 05:48 PM
I have 2 Bushnell Trophy Red Dots and 1 Millet Red Dot. They all work fine.

You do not need a $400 Red Dot just to shoot at the range or go hunting. Unless you plan on jumping out of helicopters or are going to deploy to Afghanistan, save your money.

One of the Bushnells is on my AR-15, co-witnessing with iron sights, and mounted with some quick release scope rings. If there's any problems with it, it comes off in 5 seconds or less. So far, there haven't been any problems. I like it.

wally
August 15, 2011, 06:00 PM
I have EO Techs on my guns that could be called upon for serious use

Hope your batteries are not dead if you should ever need to use it!

I have to remove the batteries in mine or they will be dead in a couple of months, turning it off doesn't see to actually turn it off :(

M2 Carbine
August 15, 2011, 06:05 PM
Only negative I'm thinking is if the big blurry dot on the Vortex bothers me, how precise is the dot on the BSAs?
One thing you want to do is turn down the dot brightness as low as you can and still see it good. For target shooting I like to turn it so low that it looks almost transparent.

The dots in my BSA sights aren't as sharp or as small as my friend's Aimpoint or my old Aimpoints but realistically we shoot just as well with the BSA as the Aimpoint.

I told him one day it's a little embarrassing to have your $400 sight get out-shot by a $30 sight.:D

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/M4RedDot.jpg

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/BMM4100ydsBSA.jpg

Heretic
August 15, 2011, 06:53 PM
Noticed the slight skew(AR332). Ten seconds with a file took care of it. In my case, it was a burr along the edge where it set in the mount. Forgot all about it until it was mentioned.

wally
August 15, 2011, 07:15 PM
I learned a hard $50.00 lesson when it comes to "Cheap" Red Dots. I went this this NCStar and true to their reputation it was absolute garbage. I'm still looking for a replacement.

If there is a reflex type dot sight that works for less than $200 I'd love to find it. I had high hopes for the Primary Arms "Green Dot" reflex for about $75 and used the Burris Fastfire mounts, but it wouldn't hold zero for much more than a mag (I was shooting 9mm 147 gr sub-sonic in my Glock 17L, hardly a lot of recoil). I don't mean subtle shifts, I was ringing the plates and then suddenly like 1' off! They let me return it, and I used the credit towards a Burris Fastfire-II. He said about 1 in 25 comes back, less than 1 in 100 for the tube type he sells.


Pays to buy from a place that backs their product -- I returned three cheap red dots to Sportsman's guide for refund (NcStar, Sightmark, Pentax). I've had near 100% good results from cheap tube type red dots.

Hunterdad
August 15, 2011, 10:10 PM
I love the Barska I bought for my AR build. Cost me $80 and when it goes, I'll get another one.

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r197/adam11082/ar3.jpg

M2 Carbine
August 16, 2011, 12:55 AM
Recently a few shooters that had never shot using a Red Dot sight, shot a couple of my guns.
They had a ball and couldn't get over how easy it was to, right away, hit whatever they were aiming at.:)

lonegunman
August 16, 2011, 04:02 AM
I use 1" Ultradots on my bullseye guns, a couple have over 10,000 rounds on the slide of a 1911 and they have zero problems.

They also make 30mm dots and four position dots that work well on everything else. They have a decent warranty too.

fragout
August 16, 2011, 10:09 AM
Anyone here use something like this?.........................
http://swfa.com/Aim-Sports-1x235x168-Red-Dot-Sight-P50395.aspx

If so, how is it working for you?


11B

Dr.Rob
August 16, 2011, 01:02 PM
This is a Bushnell Trophy red/green dot scope 1x32 with a t-dot and pistol sights built in. Paid less than $150 for it. Pic is from the first mounting.. so the dot wasn't sighted in.

M2 Carbine
August 16, 2011, 01:56 PM
I use 1" Ultradots on my bullseye guns, a couple have over 10,000 rounds on the slide of a 1911 and they have zero problems.

They also make 30mm dots and four position dots that work well on everything else. They have a decent warranty too.
I like the size of those. Might have to try one out.:)

Justin Holder
August 16, 2011, 02:18 PM
I've had a BSA 30mm red dot on my Ruger 22/45 since '04 and have nothing but good things to say about it. It has never lost it's zero and is only on it's second battery.

M2 Carbine
August 16, 2011, 08:20 PM
It has never lost it's zero and is only on it's second battery.
I hardly ever change a battery because it's worn out but I do change them a good bit because I forget to turn off the sight.

atblis
August 16, 2011, 10:04 PM
1" Ultra dot.

Sky
August 16, 2011, 10:19 PM
Today I went crazy and ordered:
Bushnell Trophy red/green dot scope 1x32 with a t-dot Liked DR. Robs and reviews
leatherwood-hi-lux-optics-1x30mm-red-dot-tactical-sight
TSR-25

Got all three from Opticsplanet and they should arrive in a couple of days. All will go on .22s unless they get here and I decide I do not like them. There may be some swapping around to get the best sight on the best weapon but am still thinking the Sparc needs to go on the YHM 7.62x39 upper that is still not here!!!

HJ857
August 17, 2011, 01:41 PM
Regarding Primary Arms, I've had bad luck or something. My first PA M4 developed intermittent battery contact failure almost immediately. Warrantied with another M4, that worked well on an AR for a lot of rounds, moved it to an SKS as an experiment. It lasted exactly six shots before the little mirror came loose. Warrantied for an PA Micro Dot. On the same SKS it lasted almost 30 shots before the brightness dial went to crap. Warrantied for a Vortex Sparc. The on/off switch doesn't work properly, but the night vision button turns it off completely, that isn't the way it's supposed to work, but it's acceptable for my use.

The SPARC is pretty nice, I have a lot of rounds on it now, all through an SKS. There are two issues with it that I see, first it has a lot of parallax, even out to 100 yards. Second, if you shoot both eyes open, the control panel on the left side of the sight is pretty large and interferes with my vision a little bit more than I'd like, but not a deal breaker. You gotta love Vortex's warranty though, it's good enough for me to keep the SPARC. At this point I believe it's plenty durable.

But for the PA stuff - their return policy is great but the products seem iffy at best. A sight that's constantly in the warranty process is pretty much useless and I'd never trust one anymore.

Sky
August 17, 2011, 01:55 PM
HJ857 I agree somethings a less expensive anything seems like you can get a good one or have a run of the same product that never meets expectations! Same with pistols and rifles; one persons darling is another ones nightmare!

The Sparc I have not had any problems with so far but I have not put it through what I would consider a good hard eval either. I figure if I ever finish all the stuff I have planned then I can do an honest eval of the red dots to included what they are mounted on etc etc. I will say this; if anything from Vortex does not work as advertised back to the company it goes. I have really not had problems with mine acting up.

Ro1911
August 17, 2011, 02:13 PM
I agree with what Ak103k says, the higher end red dots will save you money in the end, because of batteries and the fact that your not wasting $100 on a cheapy to begin with. I bought the cheap one first and regreted it, buyt once cry once.

I do want to try the vortex Strikefire thought it looks like it might be an exception to the rule.

Oh and iron sights and trigicons don't need batteries, so you save even more.

CJS06
August 17, 2011, 04:55 PM
I have Aimpoints on a couple of rifles, an T1 and a PRO. I also have a Primary Arms M3 that I put on top of an M4gery I assembled intending to replace with another Aimpoint PRO. That PA dot is still riding the top almost a year and a few (4+) thousand rounds later. It does not have the lifespan of the Aimpoint batteries, and if I really had to rely on one dot with my life I would stick with the Aimpoint. That said, for the carbine courses I have done and use I have put it through it has been a very good value.

Batty67
August 18, 2011, 09:37 AM
Mounted my Vortex SPARC with no issues on my "tacticool" Auto Ordnance M1carbine. Zeroed it in no problems yesterday at an outdoor range at 70 m and put 200 rounds downrange. The ultimak rail got HOT and so did the SPARC but no issues holding zero and shooting well at closer ranges= so far, so good.

We'll see how it does the next time I take it shooting. Oh, even though it has 10 brightness levels with my fuzzy right eye, though I shoot both eyes open, I used the lowest brightness setting on a partially overcast day. I cannot imagine using a much brighter setting.

Sky
August 18, 2011, 11:57 AM
Yes Batty67 your experience with the Vortex is the same as those I know who have purchased a Strikefire or Sparc. Again I am not pushing either they are just less expensive sights that seem to work well for their owners. I liked the company and the Strikefire so much I purchased a Viper scope from them a while back. Glad I did.

kurt1305
August 18, 2011, 12:01 PM
I bought a Millett red dot with variable sized dots for $59 at Academy Sports. It needs taller rings to work with a flat top AR, but seems to function well especially considering the price.

http://www.gunaccessories.com/Millet/RedDot/multidotsp.jpg

bri
August 19, 2011, 11:02 AM
I've got a PA M4 clone on my AR, works good for what I need it to do (range/plinking)...

Sky
August 24, 2011, 10:06 AM
Red dots came in yesterday but I only got to mess with two of them.

Bushnell Trophy red/green dot scope 1x32 is what Dr. Rob was using and I must say I really do like the reticule of that unit. Have not shot it yet or even mounted it but "IF" it works as good as it looks then "THANK YOU Dr. Rob"!

Mounted the little TSR-25 on the GSG-5. Did not get to shoot it yet but from my initial impression it will co-witness with the front sight which I really wanted. The size of the scope is perfect for the rifle.

kludge
August 24, 2011, 10:34 AM
Another +1 for the $30 BSA Red Dot. I have one on my KelTec SU-16A. No problems.

Prior to that I tried a NC Star holographic, but over time it didn't want to hold a zero.

doc540
August 24, 2011, 10:35 AM
If you can find a Kobra...snag it

They seem to have become scarce.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/AK47/Romanian/DSCN0095-1.jpg

Elbert P . Suggins
August 24, 2011, 08:25 PM
I have one nobody has mentioned and that is a Trueglo and it is mounted on an AK with no problems and also have a Burska on an AK. And the other two are a Eotech on an AK and Aimpoint on a Bushmaster. All are equal as of this writing. The Eotech is my favorite though.

Sky
August 24, 2011, 10:59 PM
Ok something I should have brought up when this thread was started. When you look through a Red Dot even before mounting and you move your head left and right or up and down and the dot changes it's location on the target...don't even think about putting it on a pistol. It will work on a rifle because of cheek weld and basically putting your eye balls in the general same location.

I mounted and got to sight in the TSR-25, Vortex Sparc, and the leatherwood-hi-lux-optics-1x30mm-red-dot-tactical-sight.

All were mounted on .22 caliber rifles and I will come back and do a review of what I like and do not like about each one. To tired and hungry now!

Davek1977
August 25, 2011, 01:52 AM
I won't pretned to be an "operator" who puts thousands of rounds downrange weekly under adverse conditions with my AR.....but, for the casual plinking, target shooting, and varmint hunting I do, the Primary Arms M4 has been flawless so far.

AK103K
August 25, 2011, 05:53 AM
When you look through a Red Dot even before mounting and you move your head left and right or up and down and the dot changes it's location on the target.
Parallax can be a problem with the cheaper sights, but generally isnt a problem with the more expensive models. With the Aimpoints, where the dot is, is where the bullet goes, regardless of where the dot is in the tube.

They are starting to become popular on handguns now too, as you see more and more being mounted.

Livnoutdoorsxd9
August 25, 2011, 06:48 AM
Primary arms m3 with 4 reticles has been fantastic so far!

Sky
August 25, 2011, 10:30 AM
My aimpoint is parallax free as far as I can tell. Just something inside me that will not let me mount it on a .22? Also a 4 MOA dot is great for big creatures but not to good IMO on small varmints at 50 to 75 yards.

Side note: both CMMG uppers worked like they were supposed to. The GSG-5 is lucky I did not throw it in the trash bin; FTE fully and having to dump the mag every two shots really got me P.O.ed. I have 7 mags and had the problem with all of them; I think it is short stroking but I do not even want to look at the stupid thing! Left it in the car dirty as punishment!!

JohnBT
August 25, 2011, 04:11 PM
"The only draw back for me is the 4 MOA dot."

Look at an UltraDot MatchDot - "2, 4, 6 and 8 MOA"

"Every MatchDot comes complete, with a battery, polarizing filter, tube extension, lens covers, mounting rings and hex wrench and is backed by our LIFETIME WARRANTY! "

www.ultradotwest.com/ultradot_2008_005.htm

Larry's Guns also sells them.

Sky
August 25, 2011, 09:11 PM
I have a bit of free time so I thought I would do a short write up of the Vortex Sparc.

http://youtu.be/16ZB4itTusM is a pretty good review and I thought I would add my thoughts on the Vortex Sparc set up.

The lens cap covers are connected together by glorified oversize hard rubber straps that broke the first day. I removed the straps by cutting and now the soft rubber caps work and seem to stay on. You would think a better lens cap would have been supplied or made available.

There has always been a possible problem with the Vortex red dots power on switch being bumped and turning the system on w/o you noticing. Has not been a problem for me but if the rifle is placed in a tight case I could see it happening. One bump "on" and about 3 to 5 seconds pushing the rubberized switch to shut the unit off.

The scope does come with a good solid mount with an extra 2 shims for height adjustment. A nice touch IMO were the screws provided to attach the scope to the provided mounts. They were pre-blue-loctited; anyone with large hands and fingers will appreciate this. The mount looks like a solid block, holds via one tighten down Allen headed screw. The 2x magnifier was not used or tested.

I placed this scope on a CMMG .22 upper without any shims and it co-witnessed perfectly. All controls are easily identified and are mostly on the left side of the scope barrel. Actually kinda cheated for I got the dot on target then moved the rear sight to the dot and turned the front sight down almost one full turn to make the co-witness.

The elevation and windage adjustment provided positive feed back in the form of both aural and tactile clicks. The protective covers are well made and there is a rubberized seal that should keep the water out.

The reticule is 2 MOA and the brightness level of the Sparc is more than I can imagine anyone ever needing.

To zero in I had a lead sled and got on paper at 25 yards. Simple to do with the sled. I shot one round aiming at the center of the target. The round impacted approx 3" high and 1.5" off center. I knew the sight would be close because I had eyed down the barrel and sight before I left the house. I moved the dot to where the bullet impacted and then shot for the center of the target again. The impact was 1/2" to the left and approx 1/2 low of my aim point. Reset the dot to POI and fired 3 rounds for center. Two rounds were 3/8 seperation and one was approx 6/8" from the first round shot. Barrel seemed to have decent consistancy for a .22 not even broken in yet?

I then changed over to the 55 yard target set up and shot 3 rounds. All three were approx 2.5" high but pretty much center of aim point; approx 2.5" spread. Moved the dot to center of impact zone and shot 3 more rounds. All rounds impacted in the center of target with about a 2.0" spread. At this point I cleaned the barrel.

I had shot 10 rounds before I started sighting in the scope to insure the new upper would function properly.

After cleaning the barrel I went back and shot 3 more rounds and again they were about the same spread of MOA. This was all done with Federal (brick) ammo. I plan on shooting CCI or Remington 22 vipers in these uppers but had mags loaded with the federal bulk so that is what I sighted in with.

I have always had good luck with Vortex ( Viper scope and Strikefire red dot) and am not really worried about this scope not holding zero. I will be looking for some flip up lens caps for the Sparc and that should make everything the way I like it.

As with many (all?) cheaper red dots parallax can be a problem. The Sparc is parallax free past 50 yards according to their book. Up close if you move your head off center the dot will move. Again I knew this before the purchase of the Sparc and do not intend mounting it on a pistol. With your cheek weld and normal shooting position the little scope works as expected. I do like the 2 MOA dot much better than a 3 or 4 MOA dot.

Red Dots are really not for super precision shooting or said another way, "you are not going to shoot the eye out of a small critter at 50+ yards unless you are lucky lucky. I usually shoot irons better than I do red dots; BUT a red dot will get you on target for a snap shot very quickly with both eyes open and if you are hunting in brush for some of the faster moving varmints or pigs they work very well; especially in dusk or dawn dim lighting.

Hope this helps if you are thinking about a Sparc.

Sky
August 26, 2011, 06:00 PM
leatherwood-hi-lux-optics-1x30mm-red-dot-tactical-sight

http://youtu.be/iHdkucZ1G1c Scootch00 says 1 MOA dot it is not. It varies between 3 and 5 MOA depending on brightness level

Mine came with flip up lens covers (their newer version). Mounted the scope on an 18' CMMG .22 upper (upper had no iron sights at all) and took one shot at 25 yards. Moved the dot 3 clicks right and fired 3 more for effect. Moved to the 55 yard target and never changed anything. The scope looks good (to me) and again for a rifle with constant cheek weld it is a good red dot for less than $80. I only shot approx 20 rounds total just playing with this red dot. But if it will keep zero on an AR chambered in 5.56/45 or AK I do not anticipate any problems on the .22

I was going to write up the TSR-25 but I was having so many problems with the GSG-5 that it would not be fair to say anything about it at this point. Guilt by association?? Anyway might have fixed the GSG today but will not know until I go back out and shoot it again in the next few days. However a good review by Scootch http://youtu.be/jGLOd1jHz8E

Cryogaijin
August 27, 2011, 12:34 AM
Just ordered the micro-red dot today. There was less than an hour between placing the order and it being shipped. I like speed like that. :)

Sky
August 27, 2011, 09:33 PM
Just returned from the range:

Got the GSG-5 to function after figuring out why it was stove piping. The little TSR-25 is a solid scope on that weapon and has a nice 3 moa dot. Parallax is critical as with many cheap red dots but the GSG-5 has a natural consistent place for your head to rest due to the shape of the butt stock. Did not do any point and shoot for I was still working on the rifle ( hate to call it that ) and making sure the red dot was sighted in. Think this red dot would work better in a scout configuration but that is not an available set up with the GSG I have w/o modification.

The Sparc has bad parallax up close (not as bad as the others tested) but does seem to go away at longer ranges ( 40 to 50 yrds). The 2x magnifier that comes with the Sparc distorted the dot regardless of where I dialed it in. I do have astigmatism; the 2x magnifier also restricts the field of vision and makes the dot look double sometimes or tear drop to me. Without the magnification the dot looks good, sharp, and a crisp 2 moa.

My biggest disappointment was with the Bushnell Trophy red/green dot scope 1x32. I really do like the reticule. Of all the red dots I have ever messed with it is definitely one of my favorite designed reticules (personal preference). However, the parallax on the one I received is the worst out of the bunch. It was mounted on an AR upper and it became evident from the "get go" that without a consistent cheek weld (Talking about exact same place for cheek on the butt stock) the dot would not present itself in a consistent manner and wonder around the reticule. Not a good deal on a red dot because one of their main advantages is a quick point and shoot. Bench shooters would probably be OK with the sight (scope is always better than a red dot IMO for that type shooting) but I really have my doubts for me and my type of hunting the sight will function as needed, If my opinion changes I will come back and post the results and mind change!

That wraps up my feelings on those red dots I have been messing with these last few weeks. I had wanted to keep my Aimpoint off the rifle I had placed the Bushnell Trophy red/green dot scope 1x32 on but one or two more outings with the weapon (practicing, fiddling, seeing if it will work for my mission needs of pig popping) I am afraid the Aimpoint will be going back on. Aimpoint as everyone knows makes a great optic. Just a tad bit over priced for many depending on their purpose and income. However I do believe the Aimpoint (unless your are a government) is better suited for us hunters than many other high dollar red dots.

Hope some of this helps.

Batty67
August 28, 2011, 12:37 PM
I've had great success with the SPARC for my modern auto ordnance M1 carbine. Altough others who have shot it tell me the dot is very crisp, it is still partially doubled for me, due to post-LASIK issues frm 10 years ago. Gets worse in dark conditions, in bright sunlight much better. Does not really affect my shooting. I can almost 1/3rd co-witness with mine as well, which was a pleasant surprise. I've not really shot it much at really close ranges, say 20m or less to test the parallax, but I could also use the iron sights, which is also something I need to test. And see if it is still zeroed.

Hurrican Irene just rolled through, so that will have to wait until maybe Labor Day weekend.

Sky
September 24, 2011, 11:07 PM
I placed the Bushnell Trophy red/green dot scope 1x32 on the AK and for some reason they were made for each other. I do have a rail on my AK so the cheek weld thing works really well on that rifle. Again I like the reticule.

I think I can say now that all the cheap red dots I purchased and mated to a particular weapon I do not feel like any of them were a waste of money. I do have an Eotech 512 on an AR 7.62x39 and an Aimpoint which is not even mounted at present ( pulled it off an AR for the night scope and night time pig popping). Both are great optics but they should be at their price point. We all are lucky to be living during this time with all the options that are now available for us IMO.

AK_Maine_iac
September 25, 2011, 06:00 AM
I pick up a new in the box Bushnell 1x32mm Trophy Red/Green dot at a yard sale for 45.00. So far the only firearm i have used it on is my 50 Ca. inline black powder rifle. No problems as of yet, with over 500 rounds fired so far. I like it out to about 150 yards.

swamp-monster88
September 25, 2011, 08:56 AM
check these guys out... i just recently got their M3 and have been incredibly impressed. if youre looking for a magnification compatable set up, they come that way too with a canted mount, if necessary.

http://www.primaryarms.com/

Jaybird78
September 25, 2011, 10:13 AM
I bought a Tasco Accudot years ago for a Ruger Mark II 22/45....never had a problem but it is a .22. I gave it to my BIL for his daughters .22 rifle. They still use it.

I purchased my first Aimpoint a year or so ago for my AR. It's the older M2 model. I'm thinking this new Ar I'm putting together will get a compM4 or a Micro.


I have heard nothing but good reviews on the Ultradots but have no first hand experience.

Two different friends have had BSA and Barska go bad after a year of range use.

Buy once and cry once.

The Sarge
September 25, 2011, 12:44 PM
Primary Arms M3 (https://www.primaryarms.com/Red_Dot_Store_s/57.htm)

LongTimeGone
September 25, 2011, 01:29 PM
I have an Aimpoint H1 on my Smith M41.
It's mounted on a Weaver 48062 rail (less than $10).
It has a nice clear 4 moa dot.

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm161/skypapa/M41aimpoint-.jpg

It's nice but while I find the apparent 1 moa@25yds dot is great at 25 yds or less for targets or plinking the dot is kinda big for 50 yard target shooting.
I wouldn't put this on a.22 rifle.
I turn the intensity down as low as it will go and be visable and have fun at 25 yard or closer.

dannyr3_8
September 25, 2011, 02:51 PM
i agree with m2 and the others i have a bsa on my ak its been on four at least 8 yrs never needs to be readjusted just change batteries occasionally and go i love mine

wolverine_173
September 26, 2011, 03:16 PM
The ak rounds doesnt break the BSA red dot? Im looking for a cheap one that wont break when shoot my ak.

Walkalong
September 26, 2011, 03:25 PM
Primary Arms Red Dot (Green only)

https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_Micro_Green_Dot_Reflex_Sight_p/pamrs.htm

Very nice dot for the money. The dot is nice and round with very little bleedout. Very bright when the batteries are new. Good battery life so far. They call it a 5MOA dot. It is not real small, but not overly big. I'll buy another one one of these days. Similar to my J-Point (on my S&W M-41), which also has a nice round dot with little bleedout. Better dots than 90% of the dots out there, and I have tried a number of them. Aimpoints have the best dot, but they are costly. Of course they have other attributes as well that make them worth the money.

exavid
September 27, 2011, 02:45 AM
I've got a 5moa BSA that I use on my Buckmark .22 and a 3moa Millet on my 10/22 rifle. Both have performed well the Millet was around $80. Not much parallax but that's probably because I'm using it on a rifle. There's been no shifting of the sight, they both stay where you set them. The cheaper BSA works well too though it doesn't have as sharp a dot at the brighter settings as the Millet but it's still much more accurate with my aging eyeballs than the iron sights.

wally
September 27, 2011, 01:40 PM
Primary Arms Red Dot (Green only)

https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_...ht_p/pamrs.htm

This is not Primary Arms best offering. Mine didn't stand up to the recoil of a Glock 17L, I returned it and exchanged for a Burris Fastfire, I actually preferred the Green dot to the Red, but the Burris has held its zero.

The owner of Primary Arms told me he gets about 1 in 25 of these back, he's trying to get the supplier to fix the issues, problem is they keep coming back to him "good news we can make it cheaper" but he has to keep telling them "make it better for the same price and I'll be much happier!".

He says less than 1 in 100 of the tube type comes back. I've had zero success with the "reflex" type sights that cost less than the ~$200 of the Burris or J-Point and near universal acceptable results from the tube type.

I'll try his next batch of Green dots and exchange it for another Burris if it don't work out. But I'd love to have a sight of this type work for <$100 as they really rock for old eyeballs.

Sky
October 21, 2011, 03:10 PM
For those of you who have the Vortex Sparc and want Buttler Creek flip open lens caps the size that fits are (#1) 1.0-1.05. The caps are a very tight fit so I just used a little Dawn dish washing soap as a lube which made the job much easier.

Sky
November 17, 2011, 09:16 AM
http://youtu.be/32g8mfsZhk4

Have not used one of these but they look interesting

1KPerDay
November 17, 2011, 05:28 PM
This one is a POS, didn't work properly, sent it back.
http://www.cdnninvestments.com/taspmitaredd.html

I have a BSA $30 red dot that is a POS and doesn't work properly. I didn't bother sending it back.

I also have a cheap (target sports?) red dot on my boy's M1 Carbine that has worked fine so far. I don't see the exact one on CDNN anymore but here's a pic if it helps.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/1KPerDay/Guns/IMG_4005.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/1KPerDay/Guns/IMG_4008.jpg


But I'm done buying 'bargain' optics. Lessons learned.

Matthew Courtney
November 17, 2011, 05:35 PM
Of those mentioned so far, we have found several to have uniform, repeatable adjustments and some which do not.

Repeatable, uniform adjustments: Bushnell, Aimpoint, Millet, Trijicon.

Inconsistent adjustments: BSA, Vortex, Eotech, NC Star, Tasco, UTG

Sky
November 17, 2011, 05:45 PM
Inconsistent adjustments: BSA, Vortex, Eotech, NC Star,


Think that is the first time I have ever heard someone say something bad about the Vortex Sparc or Strikefire. Adjustments?? I do not honestly know....mounted mine, zeroed and have never had to readjust...... NCStar totally sucks for most people I would agree.

My Eotech same same mounted zeroed and gets shot?? But once mounted I tend to leave the optics on the weapon.....Hummmm adjustments??

gym
November 17, 2011, 06:32 PM
NC star, Amazon 29.95 reduced from $50, NC star. Got the rail, utg covers and the handle all from my new favorite parts store. If you buy now and take their credit card, they give you $40.00 cash just for taking the card, I got everything for $110, -40, $60 bucks, plus a full length riser, I thought I might need for a scope down the road.
I never plan on using the cards after paying off the 60 bucks, but who couldn't use free money, so the dot cost me zero. Turns out it's an electro dot not a nc star. I got them mixed up I had looked at so many. It's been on the rifle for 2 weeks now and I haven't had time to shoot it.

CJS06
November 17, 2011, 06:41 PM
I prefer Aimpoint for an RDS. I like the PRO as an economical sight by Aimpoint. If that is a bit out of budget then the Primary Arms clones are a great option. I have used them to try out different models of optics before spending the full $$ on the real thing and possible finding out that I dont like it. Two prom Primary Arms that I got some time ago but continue to use on a couple of ARs that I have are the M3 and Micro. I use the actual Aimpoint models on my other rifles but have found the to be good enough to leave on a couple of them.

memphisjim
November 17, 2011, 06:42 PM
I've got a redhead ( bass pro) red dot on a 10/22 it works quite well I have the one that's bigger than the 30 mm. Maybe its 45 or 60 mm I can't remember
It requires a consistent cheek weld more than an eotech

Matthew Courtney
November 17, 2011, 06:47 PM
Think that is the first time I have ever heard someone say something bad about the Vortex Sparc or Strikefire. Adjustments?? I do not honestly know....mounted mine, zeroed and have never had to readjust...... NCStar totally sucks for most people I would agree.

My Eotech same same mounted zeroed and gets shot?? But once mounted I tend to leave the optics on the weapon.....Hummmm adjustments??
When I teach a rifle class, we adjust out to 300 yards in whatever wind we have, then we reverse the # of clicks and see if we are back to 100 yard zero. Everyone has to do it until they get it right. Many students cannot do it with their sights, so they borrow someone else's rifle.

Sgt_R
November 17, 2011, 07:23 PM
Bushnell TRS-25. I was easily hitting paper plates offhand from 25 yards on my first trip to the range.

I haven't had it long or abused it, so I can't speak to it's long term durability or suitability for 'serious' work, but for a range gun it's the cat's pajamas. I'll probably buy another one soon.

Sky
November 18, 2011, 02:07 PM
First time I saw the TRS-25 it was mounted on an AK in the scout config...it worked just fine for the owner...I purchased one and mounted it on a .22 and have not had problems.

When I teach a rifle class, we adjust out to 300 yards in whatever wind we have, then we reverse the # of clicks and see if we are back to 100 yard zero. Everyone has to do it until they get it right. Many students cannot do it with their sights, so they borrow someone else's rifle.

Thanks for the clarification that makes sense.

GlockFan
November 18, 2011, 02:50 PM
Cabelas often has the trs-25 for $80.

Sgt_R
November 18, 2011, 04:01 PM
I think that's about what I paid for mine. Got it from Amazon.com w/ free shipping.

Zach S
November 19, 2011, 01:34 PM
Another fan of the $30 BSA RD30 here, which you can occasionally find on sale for $20 (I did).

I wouldn't want it on a duty rifle, and therefore its never been on one of my defense guns. But I've had it on a 9mm AR, .45ACP AR, a 10-22, and its currently on my AR22. If it broke today, I'd buy another to replace it.

Sky
April 18, 2012, 12:57 PM
Guys it has been a while since I first posted this thread and went on my red dot buying spree....I have not had to toss any of my purchases and the only addition if not already mentioned is the Eotech is mounted on a 7.62x39 and the Aimpoint in on a 5.56. Some of the hardest kicking ( not counting shotguns ) weapons I have are those that shoot 7.62x39 using 154gr SP ammo. All my lessor red dots hold zero however, I finally had to replace the Strikefire battery after two years. It appeared that the optic got bumped or turned on in the safe??!!
Anyway, thanks for all that contributed to this thread and if you have a different experience or want to add something please do.

Inebriated
April 18, 2012, 01:02 PM
Vortex Strike Fire is my favorite optic for value. $130, shipped to me.

Darkbob
April 18, 2012, 02:13 PM
After checking out this thread a while back, I ended up purchasing a Primary Arms 2MOA multi-reticle red dot sight for my .458 socom AR. Long story short, the recoil was too much and the sight wouldn't stay zeroed. It works great on my AK, and I like the 2MOA dot so I'm keeping it, but I had to go back to the shotgun scope on the AR for now.

exavid
April 18, 2012, 02:16 PM
I put a Burris Fastfire red dot on my Buckmark Bullseye pistol last week. I hesitated due to its $200 price tag but after Monday's shoot I'm glad I did it. Its two ounce weight helps with the single hand firing, any weight off the gun helps with holding steadiness for me. For some reason even though the 'window' of the sight is smaller than my previous red dot on this gun, it's much easier to shoot with both eyes open. My average for the nightly shoot has come up about 70 points using this one. Well worth the $200 to up my score that much.

au01st
April 18, 2012, 02:41 PM
I have a Vortex Sparc that was mounted on my AR-15. I switched it to a "tacticool" .22 and it actually had the same zero at 25yds. Under $200 and is nice and small.

Odd Job
April 18, 2012, 02:42 PM
I have a reflex red dot on my SIG522, it is a Mueller, under $100 for the black one:

http://www.opticsplanet.net/mueller-optical-1x22x-33mm-quick-shot-waterproof-red-dot-scope.html

I only had one probelm with it, which was because I dropped the rifle directly onto the sight and the glass came loose. I had to then super glue the glass so that it stayed stationary in the frame, otherwise I had no consistent aiming point.

My rifle is now past the 5,000 round mark with this sight, and I am happy with it.

Ranger30-06
April 19, 2012, 11:01 AM
I have/had a Sun Optics red dot sight that was completely amazing on my AR-15, but I enjoy irons more so it just collects dust. It's for sale right now in the accessories section if anyone is interested...

I had a TruGlo that exploded on the 7th shot of my Saiga .308. I just wanted to see if I liked that type of red dot sight. I didn't. :D

The best I ever used though (unfortunately), was an EOtech holo sight. I wish I could afford one for myself, because it was seriously the fastest sight I ever used. One day...

NJGarand
April 19, 2012, 12:25 PM
I picked up a Leapers UTG 3.9" Red/Green dot about 6 months ago from CTD for about $50. Have been very happy with it. Zeroed easily and has held zero through about 200 rounds so far. Came with a low profile QD mount and a cantilever QD mount.

http://cdn1.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/bgprod/SCP-262.jpg

Certaindeaf
April 19, 2012, 01:47 PM
I agree with what Ak103k says, the higher end red dots will save you money in the end, because of batteries and the fact that your not wasting $100 on a cheapy to begin with..
I'm on about the third page here now. Thinking of getting a BSA cheapie.
What kind of batteries do they take? If they take the most common watch type battery, this hack is cool..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxS38_u7Mnw&feature=player_detailpage

flyskater
April 19, 2012, 05:54 PM
I have about 4 $30 UTG Red dot. I had one at first hoping to just test it out not expecting much from it. This think is like a tank. Mounted it on my shotgun, dropped it several times and it still works and holds zero. So I bought 3 more.

igousigloo
April 19, 2012, 09:47 PM
I have 2 Burris fastfires. One is mounted to the frame on a 1911 45, and one mounted to the slide on a 9mm 1911. Never had a problem with either and I can see the dot in bright sunlight.

doc540
April 19, 2012, 10:31 PM
Primary Arms w/riser

Owned two and both work just fine, especially for the money.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/AR15/004-1.jpg

03Shadowbob
April 20, 2012, 12:24 AM
My Sightmark seems to be doing great on the 870 Supermag. $50 at Gander.

Sky
April 20, 2012, 08:04 PM
I picked up a Leapers UTG 3.9" Red/Green dot about 6 months ago from CTD for about $50. Have been very happy with it. Zeroed easily and has held zero through about 200 rounds so far. Came with a low profile QD mount and a cantilever QD mount.

I do not know what size dot the Leapers has but golly gee for $50 with a mount and dot that holds that ain't bad. Let us know if it fails....

exavid
April 20, 2012, 09:07 PM
The 2032 is the most common battery used in most of sights I've seen. A lot of them are pretty much the same except for the name. Browning Buckmark, Truglo, Sitemark to name a few are all the same sight with a different name. These were the ones with four different reticules. I've tried most of the different patterns in my Browning sight but ended up going back to the red dot. My Burris has only one pattern, the red dot. The Burris also uses the 2032 battery and says battery life can be as much as five years. My Browning sight battery lasted about six months but that was shooting Bullseye which means the sight was on for at least an hour and a half for 24 sessions.

shinyroks
April 21, 2012, 12:26 AM
Surprisingly, I have a centre-point that I put on a Mosin-Nagant M38, and it has performed flawlessly over the last 500 orso rounds, even puts my handloads in 1.5-2" at 100 yds. Only quality gun piece that I have ever picked up from Wally's.

atblis
April 22, 2012, 05:03 PM
I haven't had any problems picking up used Eotechs for $250 or so.

sirsloop
April 22, 2012, 09:20 PM
I have a Mueller Quickshot... just dont' mount it to a .500 S&W Magnum pistol ;)

Sky
April 22, 2012, 10:23 PM
I haven't had any problems picking up used Eotechs for $250 or so

Would you care to share where?? Ebay?

OpticsPlanet
April 24, 2012, 01:46 PM
I bought a SPARC a few years back. We're encouraged to borrow products from work, and while I have a couple of EOTech's, I had nothing that was compatible with the Night Vision I was borrowing. I purchased the VOrtex SPARC based on this review from ARFCOM:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_277/187104_.html

In the years following, I have also purchased a Burris FastFire II that sits in a Burris AR-F3 mount. The only complaint I have with the FastFire II is that the auto-adjust isn't bright enough for me, personally. The Leupold Deltapoint auto-adjusts, and is plenty bright, but also twice the price. Burris has apparently addressed my whining with the FastFire III - in addition to the auto-adjust, it has three preset brightness settings. Now, if we could just get one in...

Mark H.

Sky
April 24, 2012, 01:56 PM
Hey Mark! Just wanna say thanks for the good service and prices...I have probably put several generations of your and Trevor's kids through university with all the money I have spent at Opticsplanet!! You guys have aways "done good by me", again thanks!!

Sky
September 10, 2012, 01:09 PM
I will link a newer thread asking about less expensive Red dots that work.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=676544

Sky
September 16, 2012, 10:03 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=677447

A couple of new entries

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