SxS Double Rifle


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surjimmy
August 13, 2011, 11:40 PM
Has anyone ever heard of a SxS Double rifle by Sabatti? Saw one at Cabelas this weekend in a 45-70 for only $3000. Any and all input would be helpful

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Savage99
August 13, 2011, 11:49 PM
I looked at the Sabatti's at Cabelas as well. They have great wood which I like and an excellent metal fit.

They also are drilled and tapped for scope mount bases on their rib.

The thing is that I don't know what I would do with it besides the range.

I don't hunt dangerous game and if it were bears I would favor one of the two .375's that I have.

surjimmy
August 14, 2011, 01:35 AM
I have always wanted a double rifle, but the price was always out of my range. I was thinking of using it as a deer and hog gun.

Savage99
August 14, 2011, 10:08 AM
If you have the money then get one. Thats the fun of guns, getting something cool and making it work.

What chambering do you favor?

http://www.cabelas.com/assets/cms/img/gun_library/homepage/111910_GunLib_SF_Sabatti.jpg

jamesb
August 14, 2011, 12:46 PM
There are a lot of discussions over at the accurate reloading and nitro express forums on the sabatti doubles. They seem to be hit or miss and have some issues with how they are regulating them by grinding the crowns.

Hizzie
August 14, 2011, 12:48 PM
Sabatti's have a reputation for regulation issues, muzzles being ground with dremels to effect bullet impact and outside of Cabela's itself no customer support. Take a look over at Accurate Reloading and Nitro Express, many threads about Sabatti.

surjimmy
August 14, 2011, 07:38 PM
Thanks, I'll do that. Savage I really like the 45-70, first deer I ever shot was with that caliber.

DM~
August 15, 2011, 10:55 PM
This is one of those cases of -------------------> "if it's too good to be true......... well, you know the rest!

DM

Sheepdog1968
August 15, 2011, 11:40 PM
A friend of mine bought it. The fit and finish was nice. I fired four rounds through it and was happy. He seems to like it. Gun Tests magazine (not that I place too much faith in magazines) had a review about a year ago and liked it as well. If it were in 30-06 or 308 I would buy it without hesitation as a deer rifle.

Hizzie
August 16, 2011, 02:01 AM
Baikal made SXS's in 45/70 and 30.03 and O/U's in 308. They can be found in the seconday market from $600-$1200. The Finnclassic 512 is available in a number of calibers http://www.marocchiarms.com/datatable.php?name=Finnclassic 512s Rifle Data Table&product=15 and goes for about $2K.

wlewisiii
August 16, 2011, 11:14 AM
Baikal made SXS's in 45/70 and 30.03 and O/U's in 308. They can be found in the seconday market from $600-$1200. The Finnclassic 512 is available in a number of calibers http://www.marocchiarms.com/datatable.php?name=Finnclassic 512s Rifle Data Table&product=15 and goes for about $2K.
Ooh. They make that Finnclassic in 9.3x74R. I think my wallet just got into serious trouble...

vaupet
August 16, 2011, 01:41 PM
For the one who loves nice side by side double rifles: http://www.lebeau-courally.com/images/CATALOGUE_LEBEAU.pdf

high class Belgian rifles, totally handmade.
they take about 600 hours of manual labour so, with labour cost about 40 euro and 1 = 1.45 $, they should be about 35 k $

something to dream about

Savage99
August 16, 2011, 03:21 PM
I handled the Sabatti SXS rifles again at Cabelas yesterday and I remain impressed. Their fit and finish is superb for a SXS rifle of that price.

The one in 9.3 seemed to call to me! However it had "Opti" wood which I was told is a fancy figure made by some artifical means.

451 Detonics
August 16, 2011, 03:29 PM
Ooh. They make that Finnclassic in 9.3x74R. I think my wallet just got into serious trouble...

I have the Tikka 412 (made by Valmet) in 9.3X74R, great gun and easy to regulate for your handloads. The accuracy is great and recoil is minor. I fitted a set of 12 gauge barrels and now I have a gun I can use to hunt anything, anywhere in the world.

GunTech
August 16, 2011, 03:59 PM
There is an overemphasis on regulation IMHO. Firstly, a gun must be regulated for a specific load and conditions. A gun regulated for Nairobi won't necessarily be regulated for Alaska. secondly, almost invariably only one barrel is used, with the other held for backup - the latter almost invariable used at close range. I've examined quite a few older double guns that have one barrel significantly more worn than the other. Assuming a gun used for dangerous game where the first shot is going to be at something like 50 yards, the second will likely be at about half that, so the regulation only has to put the round into the target are at that range.

Double rifles are working guns, not range guns. They don't need to shoot MOA from both barrels. They need to work 100% of the time and be regulated enough to get the job done.

Finally, a lot of these rifles will never be used on a charging cape buffalo or elephant anyway, so what does it matter. if someone want to own a double for the fun of it, why not buy a less expensive gun (one in reach of more people) and spend some time working loads that will reasonably well.

My first double was a Navy arms 45-70 with external hammers bought some 20 years ago for a ludicrously low price. With a lot of experimentation I got it to shoot within 5 inches of POA at 50 yards with the right handload. Note that the right barrel is dead on target and hits within about 1.5 MOA of POA every time. I generally have no problem putting both rounds into a watermelon sized target at 50 yards. Probably good enough for its intended use. By comparison, my Merkel is only slightly better at about 10x the cost. It's a nicer gun of course, but as far as functionality?...

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