[B yond]

What are your favorite movies that feature blackpowder firearms?

So far The Outlaw Josey Wales is my fav, but I'm sure there are some I haven't seen.

[Quiet]

Quigley Down Under.

[arcticap]

I discovered this Youtube video clip recently titled The Biggest Movie Ever Made! $700 million in Today's Money, 120,000 soldiers. It is from Sergei Bondarchuck's War & Peace and it sounds like one block buster of a black powder movie!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M64UU9AaIYs&feature=related

It is a montage of clips from the most expensive film ever made (in today's dollars the budget would be over $700 million). The movie is Sergei Bondarchuk's War & Peace, made in Russia in the mid-60's, and these scenes are from the Battle of Borodino, an hour long battle sequence. These were the days before CG animation, there are no special effects creating these huge armies, it is all REAL. 120,000 soldiers in period costumes, thousands of horses, etc. No film will ever come close to this in terms of spectacle, without being, essentially, a work of animation (like The Return of the King).

[black_powder_Rob]

I love "Open Range", the Man With No Name series, Unforgiven, Pale Rider, The Patriot, the Outlaw Josey Wales, 3:10 to Uma, Once Upon a Time in the West, Crossfire Trail, and so many more...

[Cauterizer]

Pale Rider is my favorite...Preacher takes speed loading to a new level with all the spare cylinders he carries on his belt for his Remington .36...inspired my purchase no doubt.. Another good one is The Quick and the Dead...the one starring Gene Hackman and Sharon Stone. Until this movie, I never saw anyone use a LeMat revolver in a gunfighting contest...which is maybe why The Swede didn't fare too well. There's a mix of BP as well as early cartridge arms in the movie.. Keith David's character uses an 1858 Remmie but not to his advantage. and Russel Crow's performance is not to be missed.

[Jaymo]

+1 what BPRob said.

Re: The Quick and the Dead with Sharon Stone and Leonardo DiCaprio, I just can't get past the gunfighter girl BS. Or the rest of the BS in that movie. Lot's of good BP guns, though.

[Smokepole14]

Pale Rider where preacher does the speed load with the 58 remmy is by far my favorite. Eldorado is another one of my favorites, heck all of the John Wayne movies are pretty good in my opinion. There's really way to many ones to mention. +1 on the movies black powder rob said.

[steelbird]

If you want to go really old school, check out the modern Last Of The Mohicans- flintlocks!
Pale Rider is why I got a Remmie.......

[Jaymo]

I liked 3:10 to Yuma a lot more than I expected.
Then, there's the new version of True Grit.
There's always the Young Guns pair of movies. Quite a bit of Hollywood BS/literary license, but plenty of BP action.

Last of the Mohicans was good.

Tombstone was fun BP action.

[Fingers McGee]

For single shot pistols and flintlock or caplock rifles, The Big Trail. Drums along the Mohawk. The Fighting Kentuckian. The Patriot. Last of the Mohicans (any version).

Am I dating myself????

[Pancho]

The Mountain Men with Brian Keith and Charlton Heston.

[Cauterizer]

Charlton Heston and Brian Keith put on a good show as salty old mountain men who had a penchant for survival...I believe that old Liver Eatin' Johnson would approve of this movie...

[Cauterizer]

Hey Jaymo.. I was just yanking chains by the yard on that one....even Bill Hickock would've had trouble pulling off some of those shots at the end of the movie when the town was dynamited...much less crosshanded LOL

[Legionnaire]

Josey Wales is my favorite, followed closely by Pale Rider. Liked Quigley Down Under, too.

Not in the same vein at all, but thought it was interesting that Bruce Willis had a LeMat at the end of 12 Monkeys.

[messerist]

The movie Gettysburg is one of my favorites. The film is chock full of BP firearms from pistols to cannon.

[Loyalist Dave]

Allegheny Uprising c 1939 with John Wayne and Claire Trevor. About James Smith and the Black Boys prior to the Revolution. Pirates of The Caribbean (any of them) 'cause they're silly, but they used actual BP guns in the movie. Master and Commander: The Far Side of The World because they recorded actual BP canon impacts on oak so the sound effects of the hits and the artillery balls whizzing past are correct. Northwest Passage because it's pretty wrong on the guns, and the uniforms, but they did try very hard. I like the fact that the town of St. Francis was actually a town and not a bunch of plains lodges, AND there is a nice "running shot" where they pivot the shooter and the camera obviously on a turn table while the guy makes the shot.

LD

[dprice3844444]

jeremiah johnson

[Zombiphobia]

Jeremiah Johnson is a good one. I like the 1858 Remmington used by Lee Van Cleef in The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly... anyone notice it wasn't a conversion(still had percussion caps on the nipples) but he had a pistol cartridge belt loaded with copper jacketed bullets?

I don't recall seeing any BP guns in Tombstone, though. It was still a good movie.

There was an Australian movie where some guy is being chased down by a group of vigilantes carrying BP pistols, most looking like 1851 Navy's, but I can't remember the name of the movie.

[Carl N. Brown]

Are we restricting black powder firearms to muzzleloaders and cap'n'ball revolvers, or are we including black powder cartridge firearms as well?

[Loosenock]

"Sergeant York" with Gary Cooper. The turkey shoot scene was classic.

'Loose

[Old Cannonballs]

It's been 20 years since I saw it, but I think Dances with Wolves has a scene early on where someone — I'm thinking it was the Kevin Costner character — loads a black powder revolver. They show it close up in glorious detail. The only other scene with loading a bp revolver that I can remember is in — was it a John Wayne movie? Dang, I miss my memory — anyway, it showed a woman trying to load a Walker in the middle of being attacked by some wolves or a mountain lion or some such critter — but no close up; you couldn't really see what was happening very well, except that she was having trouble loading the sucker.

[darkerx]

I have seen some trailer...Cowboys vs aliens... I believe having seen an open top colt... :D

[duelist1954]

I like "Last of The Mohicans" and "The Patriot"

[Grousefeather]

I like, Last of the Mohicans, Josey Wales, and the Long Riders.

[Cosmoline]

On a more obscure note, I offer "Black Robe" a 1991 Canadian film featuring matchlocks and some decent combat.

Also the Malick flick "The New World" which also featured
matchlocks.

"Master and Commander," though a pale imitation of the novels, had some fine nautical BP combat.

Many Civil War pics of course. "Glory" probably being the best.

I've heard "Ride with the Devil" had accurate BP arms but I've never gotten around to watching it.

But I'm afraid few of the many three musketeers movies ever featured muskets. One of life's mysteries I suppose.

[Zombiphobia]

^^ Ride With The Devil actually is pretty good if you can sit thru all the way

[Busyhands94]

i saw "The last of the Mohicans" once, good movie. i read the book as well. it's an older copy, so the language is a bit hard to get past, but you'll get the hang of it once you get going.

[J.T. Gerrity]

The only other scene with loading a bp revolver that I can remember is in — was it a John Wayne movie? Dang, I miss my memory — anyway, it showed a woman trying to load a Walker in the middle of being attacked by some wolves or a mountain lion or some such critter — but no close up; you couldn't really see what was happening very well, except that she was having trouble loading the sucker.

"Quigley Down Under" - she was hiding in a cave trying to hold off a pack of Dingos with a Dragoon (that was almost as big as her). She actually goes through the correct loading motions, and there are a couple of scenes while she's firing the gun that are fairly close-up and spectacular...

Of course, you can always count on any Tom Sellek western to be as authentic as is possible; I especially like his Louis L'Amour stuff

I also like "12 Monkeys", a futuristic Sci-Fi film where Bruce Willis is given a LeMat revolver to use during the closing moments. I don't think there was any other significance to it's use in the movie other than the fact that it's a really, really big gun...

[ZVP]

The ONE sequence I ever saw was in the 3 Musketeers where you see one of the Musketeers winding a Bellows-Style Pistol to gut-shoot Faye Dunnaway with!
.69 Caliber at about 500fps.
Killed 'ol Faye dead!
ZVP

[4v50 Gary]

Waterloo is another pre CGI movie. That was a large scale production.

There's some small production companies that make Civil War flicks. Their authenticity is very good but being small productions, we're talking about less than 50 actors and extras.

[Legionnaire]

I should have thought of it before, but the whole Sharpe's series with Sean Bean as Richard Sharpe is great in this regard. Only drawback to the series is they just don't have enough extras in the battles to get the feel of the books.

[burnse]

Not necessarily a war movie, but I feel like I just have to mention "Ravenous". Robert Carlyle and Guy Pearce. For those not familiar, it's a horror movie with some alright humor in it, as well, though it is not a comedy by any means.

Takes place at the end of the Mexican-American war (~1848 I think?), and a US captain is sent to a desolate Fort Spencer in the western Sierras. A man, nearly dead, shows up telling of how his group of travellers got into a bad situation (think.. well.. cannibalism), and things take off from there.

I haven't watched it in a little while but there are some nice, big colt revolvers used, as well as a couple of BP rifles. Probably my favorite horror movie, and easily one of my favorite original musical scores.

I highly recommend it.

I also didn't mention that Ravenous and Last of the Mohicans are the two movies that pulled me into BP guns!

[kbbailey]

You may be missing the greatest of all time...Lonesome Dove.

[Pancho]

Tom Horn played by Steve McQueen.

[4v50 Gary]

Man of the Wilderness starring Richard Harris. Harris portrays trapper/hunter Zak Smith who is mauled by a grizzly. Two companions remain behind while the rest of the fur trading company pushes on to the Mississippi. After a day, the companions abandon him and Zak Smith slowly recovers. Without even a knife, the most essential tool of the mountain man/trapper/hunter, he returns to civilization after enduring many hardships.

The guns were wrong. They had barrel bands so they look like muskets. The locks look wrong too and some close up shots (albeit brief) looked like there was a huge block where the pan should have been. I wonder if they converted some Trapdoors for the movie.

[Kaeto]

The Disney version of The Three Musketeers had wheellock pistols and muskets.

[4v50 Gary]

I think it was in the Disney version of the Three Musketeers that there was a handsome jager rifle hanging over the door. They never handled it though and it was up there merely as a decoration.

[damoc]

all previous mentions i agree with especially clint eastwood stuff
but have a look on youtube for sharpes rifles the first in a great series
with a couple of movies i think as well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOAWSU5_4t4

set in napolianic times

lots of cool blackpowder stuff

[JN01]

Billy Bob Thornton version of The Alamo

[kbbailey]

Lonesome Dove has Colt Walker; "51 Navy; "58 Rem Carbine; Sharps; Henrys;Derringer; various shotguns; and Colt SAA, I know I am forgetting some....Trust me, it's a must see epic.

[Pancho]

I forgot about the Sharpe's Rifles. Good entertainment.

[robhof]

Daniel Boone and the early Davey Crockett, of Disney; the early years, with Fess Parker, fired up my brother and me as kids to get into B/p and flintlocks. One was a series and the other was a movie. I know in at least one that he loaded and primed the pan in proper order. Found the original Disney 45 song of Davey Crocket when cleaning out my parents house about 12 years ago.

[andrewstorm]

Jeremiah Johnson,all the way to the shootist,and spaghetti westerns to boot Ive got them on DVD......great for bad weather watchin.....cleaning your favorite old colt........besides the stone fireplace,cozy as the set of eldorado...;)

[Jaymo]

Last Man Standing. It's a Bruce Willis movie with Christopher Walken ("Needs more cowbell),
and William Sanderson ("I'm Larry. This is my brother Darrell, and this is my other brother Darrell").
William Sanderson has an old BP Colt. IIRC, it's a Walker or a Dragoon. He ends up giving it to Bruce Willis in one scene.
The rest of the movie is 1930s era guns and is a fun flick to watch.

[4v50 Gary]

Gray Eagle - it had the Italian actor, Iron Eye Cody in it. Anyway, it was supposed to take place in 1848. There were no shortage of brass frame revolvers in it.

Les Miserables - 1952 production. Trapdoor Springfields standing in for muzzle loading muskets in the French Revolution of 1848.

[Ash_J_Williams]

I'm watching Outlaw Josie Wales right now. Similarly, Pale Rider.

[scrat]

Damoc nice watching the youtube series now

[BCRider]

As much as I like the Clint Eastwood westerns not one of them actually used black powder as I recall. Lots of what should have been black powder guns. But nowhere do I recall seeing the smoke show that occurs with real black powder. For example, can you imagine the fog in the restaruant scene in Pale Rider by the time those 4 bad guys unload all their shots at Clint's hat? He'd have had to shoot by brail when he came around the corner from the pantry or wherever it was he came from! ! ! !

Sadly too many other movies also don't have the proper smoke plumes. Some do though. And I applaud their choice for authenticity.

[Cosmoline]

One I recently saw again for the first time in many years was Werner Herzog's "Aguirre: The Wrath of God,"which features some enormous arquebus and cannon being man-hauled through the jungles. Off-screen there was also some interesting gun play when Klaus Kinski was irritated by extras and proceeded to riddle their tent with live rounds from his Winchester. Herzog seized the rifle, but you have to wonder who would ever give Klaus Kinski a Winchester!

[GCBurner]

As much as I like the Clint Eastwood westerns not one of them actually used black powder as I recall. Lots of what should have been black powder guns. But nowhere do I recall seeing the smoke show that occurs with real black powder. For example, can you imagine the fog in the restaruant scene in Pale Rider by the time those 4 bad guys unload all their shots at Clint's hat? He'd have had to shoot by brail when he came around the corner from the pantry or wherever it was he came from! ! ! !

Sadly too many other movies also don't have the proper smoke plumes. Some do though. And I applaud their choice for authenticity.
The Civil War battle scene in The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly featured plenty of blackpowder smoke, though.

[4v50 Gary]

I just saw the aforementioned Open Range that featured Robert Duvall and Kevin Costner. It is in the genre of the classic western where some peaceful cowboys are forced into a fight they did not want by a large cattle baron. It has a climatic long running shoot out in the end with a high body count.

I also saw The Three Amigos and noticed in one gunfight an amigo (Ned) was forced to use either a first or second model Dragoon in a shoot out.

[driver243]

Here's one you missed, Heath Ledger in Ned Kelly
Mike

[hang fire]

Ride With The Devil. Some of those Missouri Bushwacker portrayers carried several revolvers in saddle holsters and stuck in their belts, just like the real mounted irregulars did.

Black Robe was another authetic good one, even if they were matchlocks.

[BHP FAN]

another vote for ''Ride With The Devil'' my second favorite movie ever right after Outlaw Josey Wales...!

[CraigC]

Last of the Mohicans is one of my all time favorite movies! Love The Patriot too. The Outlaw Josey Wales is one of my favorite Eastwood movies. Ride with the Devil is also excellent. I actually loved The Quick and the Dead. If you can look past the goofy parts, there were some great guns and costumes. I was impressed that they gave Cort an 1851 cartridge conversion and that he asked for ".38 Long Colt" when it ran dry. Last Stand at Saber River is also a good one and with an 1860 cartridge conversion with engraving and ivory grips featured prominently. Same for Crossfire Trail and the Open Top he carried. Which I believe was scratch-built by Kenny Howell.

[BullRunBear]

When it comes to the accurate use, and limitations, of BP firearms my favorites are Quigley Down Under, Master and Commander, Gettysburg, and Last of the Mohicans. Most Tom Selleck westerns are pretty accurate and, of course, are very enjoyable. Then there's Jeremiah Johnson and Josey Wales. Ah heck, I just like films that feature the old guns! Even the recent Musketeers movie and Man In The Iron Mask do a decent job.

Now I have to watch 3:10 To Yuma, the Sharpe's series, and Lonesome Dove. (I have never seen more than a few minutes of Lonesome dove. :what:
I hang my head in shame.)

Jeff

[ThorinNNY]

The Comanche Moon Series wasn`t bad, either, when it came to the guns. Ed Pease , the governor of Texas had a revolving rifle on his mantle. Poor Deets got stuck with carrying a .44 Walker on his hip, while most of the other guys were carrying .44Dragoons in cross draw holsters. Didn`t notice any `51 Navies, might have missed em. Old Idahi had a Sharp`s.

There`a another oldie -Kentucky Rifle, a 1956 flick starring Chill Wills -well you ,guessed it - features Kentucky flintlock rifles.

[Saddlebag Preacher]

One of the background horsemen and shooters in many of the scenes (Especially in the woods ambush) is a friend and member of our church. The extras supplied most of their own guns and outfits, that is why they were historically correct. Sometimes the stars may have a brass frame that wasn't true to form, but that's hollywood. It is a good movie.

By the way, one of the Dragoons in the new True Grit movie used to be mine. There were three rented. I traded it to David Carrico for a set of handmade gun leather and accessories. He made much of the leather for "The Missing" "Jonah Hex" 'Into the West", 'Appalosa" and some others, especially the calvary stuff. He made the belt for the 8 gauge in Appalosa. (I know the spelling if wrong, sorry,). He also supplied the dragoons and told me it was in it. David is having a bout with Leukemia now, but go to his web site. He is a great guy. www.carricoleather.com

[mic214]

True Grit:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y71/mic214/TrueGritWalkercolt-3.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y71/mic214/JB1.png

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y71/mic214/jb2.jpg

Lonesome Dove:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y71/mic214/duvalllonesomedovegun.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y71/mic214/600px-LDColtWalker-9.jpg

Jeremiah Johnson:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y71/mic214/johnson3.jpg

[Shanghai McCoy]

For flintlocks I vote for the Sharpe's Rifles series.
For caplocks I'll vote for both Ride with the Devil and the Outlaw Josey Wales.

[barstoolguru]

these are not true black powder they are converted to metallic cartages; he swaps cylinders in parts


Josey Wales (Clint Eastwood) carries two Colt Walker 1847 revolvers in twin holsters as his primary sidearms, although he carries four pistols in total. While not supposed to be known by the audience, the guns are converted to fire metallic cartridges instead of firing percussion cap and ball, since this it is safer to use blanks than firing blackpowder blank shot. While some of the guns are anachronistically seen with conventional metallic conversion kits with ejector rods and loading gates, these guns lack these features to try to hide its conversion. In some scenes though, the guns are non-firing models which do have percussion nipples so the audience can be tricked into thinking the guns are a percussion only. The famous image in which Wales poses with his Colt Walkers is a good example.
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Outlaw_Josey_Wales,_The

[mykeal]

There are a whole lot of people who use black powder in metallic cartridges that might not agree with your statement:
these are not true black powder they are converted to metallic cartages
And it's customary to use quote marks when restating other people's work verbatim.

[4v50 Gary]

Thank you barstool guru for pointing out the conversions in Josey Wales.
Plz put things in quotes when you use another source.

[raubvogel]

Would the .577/450 Martini Henry used in Zulu be possible candidates to the list?

[J-Bar]

Thanks guys!

After reading this thread I found a DVD of Ravenous for $6. Somehow I had skipped that one.

Fun movie.

[josiewales]

Gods and generals.

[iLikeOldgunsIlikeNewGuns]

I also like "12 Monkeys", a futuristic Sci-Fi film where Bruce Willis is given a LeMat revolver to use during the closing moments. I don't think there was any other significance to it's use in the movie other than the fact that it's a really, really big gun...

YES! I was always wondering if that was intended as 'just what the fictional characters could get their hands on', or if the crew just thought it looked cool...

Zombiphobia, the capped percussion gun with cartridges in belt-loops always bugged me a little bit, but The Good, the Bad and the Ugly will always be tied with just a few others as my absolute favorite movie.

I'm only halfway down page two of this thread as I write this, but I will read the rest of the posts immediately after this reply. I just couldn't resist adding my own any longer!

Most of my favorites have been mentioned, So I'll go with others that haven't been mentioned yet as far as I know. I must say I enjoyed Mad Dog Morgan, though I hear that the version I saw on netflix has been chopped and edited (butchered actually, not the websites doing, that's just the version that they have to offer). Dennis Hopper gets his hands on several muzzle-loaders throughout the film, and plays a ridiculous character that is a must-see.

I also really enjoyed the late '80s or early '90s Treasure Island starring Charleton Heston and a young Christian Bale! That is THE best movie-version of the book I have yet to see. There's even a part where Jim (Chris Bale) tries to shoot a salty dog, and only gets a click instead of a boom -oops! wet powder!. He 'rapid-reloads' (lol re-primes) and well, I guess I shouldn't spoil it for you :neener:

This is a great and appropriate thread, My 'need-to-see-movies' list just got a few titles longer :)

Edit time:
Jaymo, good call on Last Man Standing I remember first time I saw that movie, I saw the Walker on the bar and couldn't stop from exclaiming that I hoped we got to see it used, and it was used in such an awesome way!!! Side-note, that flick was an homage to Fist full of Dollars, which was an homage to Yojimbo. Three excellent films

4v50Gary- awesome call with The Three Amigos! Mexican 'bad guy' takes Martin Short's nickel/ivory Saa out of his holster and says "You wanna die with a MAAAN's gun, not a lil see-see gun like thissss!" and hand's him either a dragoon or Walker, which he promptly drops to the ground while never actually releasing his grip, LOL!!! Ned (Martin Short) then goes on to actually shoot it. Such a great black-powder cinematic moment.

[hang fire]

I vote "Wicked Spring" for one of the most realistic use of BP firearms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5ooBiCLlqA

[AJumbo]

I always thought it odd that in "Lonesome Dove", Gus carried a Dragoon but kept an 1860 in a pommel holster on his saddle. Texas Rangers were (are!) tough, but c'mon....

[Cosmoline]

There are a whole lot of people who use black powder in metallic cartridges that might not agree with your statement:

The era of black powder cartridges is not well known at all outside of firearm circles. The federal laws that draw a distinction between loose powder and cartridges tend to reenforce the idea that there was just one major shift from smoke poles to "modern" cartridge firearms in the 60's and 70's. The second shift from black to smokeless is not common knowledge, oddly.

In fact I'm hard pressed to remember a *SINGLE* period film which had characters commenting on the new "white powder." Even though in reality it would have been a much commented-upon subject and folks from Alaska to Texas were grabbing up smokeless firearms the second they came on the market. I've seen multiple pics of prospectors up here that have factory-fresh smokeless arms, so you better believe they were talking about it around campfires. Heck even novels and films which include the advent of smokeless as a main plot point, such as "The Streets of Laredo," don't bother to comment on the real innovation taking place. It's odd.

Now that I think on it, there was a reference to black/smokeless in "The Rough Riders." But that's the only one that comes to mind.

[Moose26]

The Dragoon was great on Lonesome Dove but the "two Pigs" were the real stars.
Mountain Men
Josey Wales
Jeremiah Johnson
Heck all of 'em set before 1900.

[Black Duck Charlie]

One movie I like is "Brotherhood of the Wolf" ("Le Pacte des loups"), set in mid-18th Century France. While there may not be a lot of firearm use in the movie, and it mixes genres (some of the stuff done may or may not be historically correct, but the costuming and such IS historically correct), it does include blackpowder firearms -- flintlocks.

[Black Duck Charlie]

Watched another older movie last night, "Catlow". Later 1880s (after the "Civil" War, anyway; what war is actually "civil"?), but the pistols at least have the appearance of being converted to use black powder cartridges. Not a lot of smoke, but it's still a good movie.

[Cosmoline]

There's a new one called "Exit Humanity" which is a zombie/civil war hybrid. I know it sounds horrible, but the reviews are actually pretty good and the trailer includes some vintage BP action, along with some scenes that appear to be set a bit later on in the 19th century.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obo2dqdlSDk

[iLikeOldgunsIlikeNewGuns]

My original post was lacking a few photos, so here are a few :)

Ned Nederlander not looking so well with a Walker, though he did hit his mark!
http://www.imfdb.org/w/images/1/1e/3Amigo018.jpg

Lucky Day looking a little more composed with the Walker... When Ned took his shot, he went flying backwards and the gun flew up into Lucky's hands LoL
http://www.imfdb.org/w/images/7/7b/3Amigo021.jpg

Jim (Christian Bale) in a tight situation with two flint-locks
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Q_P37wQdq_w/TzLdlEE3o7I/AAAAAAAABjY/W0izc4Q-vKM/s1600/treasure-island3.jpg

[Swing]

the capped percussion gun with cartridges in belt-loops always bugged me a little bit, but The Good, the Bad and the Ugly will always be tied with just a few others as my absolute favorite movie.

+1. Easily one of my favorite movies, but the metallic cartridges are a little curious. There are a few other anachronistic points too.

[arcticap]

I watched a wacky but entertaining film named "Jonah Hex". It's based on the DC comic book cowboy hero of the same name. He has a supernatural ability to speak to dead people when he touches their dead corpse. He's out for revenge but he's the good guy who does a lot of killing. Not too unlike Josey Wales but not as reality based.

Here's a movieclip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuZwdLfxTQ8


Here's the trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l0zSd_DQQ4


Wikipedia article:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah_Hex_(film)


The U.S. military makes a scarred bounty hunter with warrants on his own head an offer he cannot refuse: in exchange for his freedom, he must stop a terrorist who is ready to unleash Hell on Earth.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1075747/


The DC comic book might make some folks happy too!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah_Hex

[alsask]

The Northwest Passage [1940] starring Spencer Tracy was a good BP movie. In the movie they were using Brown Bess muskets mostly, which would have been correct, as Rogers Rangers were actually supplied by the British army.

[BHP FAN]

Ride With The Devil is one of my favorites, rivaling even The Outlaw Josey Wales.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0134154/

[hawkeye74]

I gave up on period correct firearms in movies, for the most part, long ago. I will say that many percussion pistols were modified to take cartridges, so the bandoliers are not entirely incorrect if the pistol is modified. Anyway, BP was around in reality until around 1900-06. (If I recall in Pale Rider, preacher changed cylinders, not cartridges. This was done in the CW, particularly by Forrest's troopers.)

All of the early rifles and pistols, Colt 45 Peacemaker, early Winchester lever actions, SW SChofield, etc were BP firearms. Even the early 1903 Springfield Rifles were BP firearms. There is an advisory against modern ammo on low serial number 03 Springfields. Remember the caution taught at firearms class to have old guns checked by competent gunsmith? This a good part of what they are wanting checked: to see if it can handle smokeless ammo.

[BHP FAN]

The early Springfields had problems with brittle heat treated recievers, they were not, in fact, black powder arms. your point is still valid,though.

[BHP FAN]

[from Wikipedia]
''World War I and interwar useBy the time of U.S. entry into World War I, 843,239 of these rifles had been produced at Springfield Armory and Rock Island Arsenal. Pre-war production utilized questionable metallurgy. Some receivers were improperly subjected to excessive temperatures during the forging process. The carbon could be "burnt" out of the steel producing a brittle receiver.[3] Despite documented evidence indicating some early rifles were improperly forged, actual cases of failure were very rare. Although several cases of serious injury from receiver failure were documented, the U.S. Army never reported any fatalities. Evidence also seems to suggest that improperly forged brass shell casings could have exacerbated receiver failure.[4]...''

[BHP FAN]

more info....

http://m1903.com/03rcvrfail/

[hawkeye74]

See what happens when you trust what some one "tells you" as fact. :oMY BAD!:o Was told the first rounds for the 03 were round nosed BP rounds frequently referred to as 30-03 instead of the pointed spitzer 30-06 used in later Military arms.

I do know that BP rounds were MFG until the 20's and 30's to provide for all the old late 1800's guns designed for shooting BP.

[Cosmoline]

Certainly, and Winchester even made the .32 Win Special in part for shooters who wanted the option of reloading with smokeless or black.

And while the .30'03 was smokeless, it may surprise some to learn that the Maxim--a weapon associated with smokeless--started out firing black powder cartridges.

Black powder slowly faded out of the market and was pretty much a distant memory by the end of WWII. But then some crazy guys like Turner Kirkland got the idea of reviving the smoke poles. I can guarantee you if you were to bring a gun crank forward in time from 1900, he'd be astonished that we even knew what black powder was. He'd also wonder why so many people were running around in parks with nobody chasing them.

This revival is reflected in film. If you look closely you will notice that in the vast majority of historical films from the 20's through the 50's, the black powder arms are anachronistic. You'll see surplus trapdoors posing as flintlocks, for example, and lots of late model leverguns appearing well before their time. It's only with films like "Jeremiah Johnson" that filmmakers started to bother bringing real smoke poles back on screen.

[geim druth]

Alatriste starring Viggo Mortensen has some great matchlock action.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct0ZqyJUfY8&feature=related

[Honest John]

And wheellock pistols, very nice even if their use was not shown very well!

[Busyhands94]

I hope they make "1858 Remington The Movie" Haha! I'd watch it.

[geim druth]

Yeah, I'd like to try one of those 3 foot long wheellock horse pistols. Had to be tough to fire from horseback.

[Jaymo]

.303 British was originally loaded with a compressed, black powder pellet.

[BHP FAN]

absolutely correct!I had some of the stuff that followed the black powder rounds, loaded with Cordite.Jaymo, ever read John Masters ''Bugles and a Tiger''?

[4v50 Gary]

Valdez is Coming with Burt Lancaster. Lancaster plays a Mexican constable who is beaten when he solicits money from a tycoon. It is then revealed that he is an old 7th Cav veteran who fought with Gen. Crook, he then gets his Sharps rifle and wreaks havoc on them. Great dialogue.

BG: "you shot my men at 600-700 yards."
Valdez: "1,000."
BG: "you a buffalo hunter?"
Valdez: "Apache, before I knew better."

Before the was Quigley, there was Valdez.

I was with my cousin at WallyWorld when I picked it up for $5. It came in a disc with three flicks.

[wheelyfun66]

Cold Mountain...

Ride With the Devil...

The Proposition....

All excellent black powder movies!

[Hammerdown77]

One I just saw recently that was very good was "Seraphim Falls", starring Liam Neeson and Pierce Brosnan. Brosnan and Neeson are both excellent in this movie, and there are lots of open top revolvers to be seen, most of which have been converted to fire cartridges (the movie takes place in 1868 I believe).

It's kind of a cat and mouse type movie, Neeson is an ex Confederate officer pursuing Brosnan, an ex Union officer, to enact vengeance for a crime committed against Neeson's family at the end of the Civil War.

The scenery in the movie is spectacular, taking place in and around the Rockies.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0479537/

[kBob]

We have been watching some of the Disney 1950's Zorro for TV. The Spanish Army in Alte California seems to be armed with flintlock equiped Remington ROlling blocks and civilians seem to be armed with Flintlock cut down WInchester Model 37 shotguns with a fake flintlock on the side as pistolas. Actually fairly well done for that sort of thing and time period. The series is as I remember MAGNIFICANT! THey do not make TV like that anymore.

My only problem was as a kid I wanted to grow up to be Zorro, but seem to have gotten much closer to being Sargeant Garcia......

-kBob

[oxide80]

Assassination Games, a newer movie with Claude Van Dam, He pulls out a pair of brass framed Griswold and Garison style dragoons from under his coat during an action scene.

[4v50 Gary]

Jack Nicholson is a horse thief and Marlon (sp) Brando is the dry gulching regulator hired to track down Nicholson and his gang. Brando has a Creedmoor Sharps rifle with a lot of inlay work.

[lechiffre]

Winchester '73

Strange thing about this movie.

Everybody wants the "one of 1,000" '73. We get the idea that the '73 is new on the market, form dialogue like "I got me a repeater, but it ain't no '73".

Everybody has Colt SAAs

[ThorinNNY]

Winchester 73. Long time since I saw the movie.Wasn`t it Dutch Henry who said -" That`s the trouble with those old Henrys- they take too long to kill!
I guess the .44 henry rimfire cartridge accounted for a lot of kills back in their day, but something more powerful was desirable. Was the .38-55 cartrige available in 1873? I know by about 1876 Winchesters were available in . 50- 70 caliber. George Armstrong Custer had one, liked it a lot. Said something like .."it could knock an antelope off his slats at 500 yards."

[Cosmoline]

I just spotted some smoke poles in the trailers for the upcoming show "Revolution", set in a post-global EMP that knocks civilization down a peg or two