Smith 442 or 642......


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viking499
August 20, 2011, 01:21 PM
I am leaning towards one of the above pistols. Does anyone have one of these 2 models that they can give me their opinions on?

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bergmen
August 20, 2011, 01:48 PM
I am leaning towards one of the above pistols. Does anyone have one of these 2 models that they can give me their opinions on?

We have both. I have the 442, my wife carries the 642. I find the 442 easier to keep clean (probably because it doesn't look as dirty after shooting but is as dirty as the 642).

They are fantastic revolvers, we both love them for recreational shooting as well as concealed carry. I put a longer grip on mine because I really don't like the hanging pinky:

http://inlinethumb33.webshots.com/12832/2195079140053667879S600x600Q85.jpg

The're a bargain, too at the mid $300's.

Dan

viking499
August 20, 2011, 01:53 PM
Nice. Where did you get the longer grips from?

Canuck-IL
August 20, 2011, 01:56 PM
From what I observed on several used ones, the 442 finish either stands up a little better than that on the 642 or, as noted above, it simply looks better when equally dirty. I went with the 442 - I also prefer the "less flashy" dark finish in general.

Fun little gun but you do know you're shooting a J-frame after several cylinders of +P!
/Bryan

bergmen
August 20, 2011, 02:00 PM
Nice. Where did you get the longer grips from?

I got them straight from S&W. They are for one of their .357 snubbies (SKU: 413040000):

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_766272_-1_758003_757843_757837_ProductDisplayErrorView_N

Dan

ms6852
August 20, 2011, 02:02 PM
I bought the 642 air weight for my wife much against my recommendations. The pistol was for her and she would not listen to me about recoil. She shot it only once because the recoil bruised the web of her thumb for about 2 weeks. If you have never shot a snub nose I find them highly inaccurate handguns at 7 yards and farther. Thus the term belly gun. I began to carry this gun during the summer when I dress in lighter clothing. I put crimson trace grips which are longer and accommodate my large hands. After sighting in the laser grips I can hit pretty consistantly my target at 10 yards. All in all the gun is well built but the trigger pull is very heavy which accounts for lousy accuracy.

Dr_2_B
August 20, 2011, 04:22 PM
I opted for the 442. I eventually put CT laser grips on it.

+1 on what Canuck said. You won't enjoy shooting many rounds of +p in it. Whew.

Racinbob
August 20, 2011, 04:42 PM
I went with the 442 as well. I've heard, but haven't seen, that the clear coat on a 642 can peel.

Canuck-IL
August 20, 2011, 05:11 PM
Pretty good pics of the 642 "blistered" finish on this old Gunbroker listing.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=235710788

/B

451 Detonics
August 20, 2011, 05:26 PM
I like my 642, never have to worry about the blistering either, it is an early one before they stated coating them. It is really personal choice...do you like black or silver?

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z271/reloader1959/handguns/pocketbug2.jpg

9mmforMe
August 20, 2011, 05:48 PM
Great little guns. I have owned several and aside from being quite accurate little beasts they function really nicely. I loved the trigger on my stainless version. Ex-wife got the last of mine when we parted ways....I wish I had her back...uh...the handgun :evil:

ArchAngelCD
August 20, 2011, 11:47 PM
Both are the same except for the different color. They both shoot the same too.

viking499
August 21, 2011, 09:22 AM
I like the blue better than the stainless, but with all the pockets, pouches, etc that this gun would be in, would the stainless be better for the long term?

DickM
August 21, 2011, 10:45 AM
I like the blue better than the stainless, but with all the pockets, pouches, etc that this gun would be in, would the stainless be better for the long term?

My thoughts exactly, which is why I opted for the 642. I'm aware of the problems with the finish others have mentioned, but haven't had any trouble with mine - only had it a couple years, though.

JohnBT
August 21, 2011, 11:10 AM
The 442 isn't blue, it's black. I have a 442-1.

"Finish: Matte Black" - S&W site

ColtPythonElite
August 21, 2011, 11:14 AM
I'd go for the 642. You don't have to worry about it's stainless parts rusting like you do the 442's carbon parts.

Dogguy
August 21, 2011, 11:57 AM
I have a 442 and a couple of 642s as well (long story on why). I bought the 442 first and actually like the black finish better than the silver-gray finish of the other two guns. But I live in a hot, humid climate and I pocket-carry daily. My clothes frequently are soaking with sweat after spending time outdoors working or just piddling around. The 442 will pick up some rust on the steel parts under those conditions.

The 642 stands up much better to the wet conditions. I've carried one for most of three summers now and it does not have any rust. But the silver-gray finish on the frame is heavily worn from holster abrasion. I have not carried the 442 enough to know if its finish wears the same.

Modern J-frame Smiths are known for their heavy trigger pulls. I've had action jobs done on both my 642s because both came with rough, gritty triggers. The 442 trigger is not really bad, just heavy. Accuracy wise, most people cannot shoot snubbies for crap--myself included. The guns themselves will probably be capable of better accuracy than most of us can ever get out of them.

Robert B
August 21, 2011, 01:25 PM
You can get a no lock version of the 442 either at Bud's Gun Shop online or at Gallery of Guns online. Even the 642 can rust. Mim thumbpiece or grip screw. I use the DeSantis Superfly with the velcroed flap reversed so it can be used as a sweat shield in my pocket.

bnkrtstk
August 22, 2011, 08:46 PM
I have a 642 I inherited when my brother passed away. I carry it more than any other gun. I can hit a paper plate at 25yds. Once I have the extra cash I plan on getting a 442 because I like the finish better. My 642 shows some where from carry, but that's OK I never plan on getting rid of it.

Mastergunner40
August 23, 2011, 10:58 AM
Have a 442, and it's probably my all time favorite handgun. Small, handy, easy to conceal just about anywhere, surprisingly accurate for such a small gun and packs a decent punch. Can always have it with me. Prior to the 442, I had a 642. Same attributes, but I didn't like the finish. Too flashy for my taste. I just prefer blued/black guns. You can't go wrong with any of the Smith Airweights.

Dstoerm
August 23, 2011, 09:02 PM
I carry the 442 everyday in a Don Hume, no problems with wearing on the finish. I like the darker color for CCW.

wrs840
August 23, 2011, 10:35 PM
As a former fan of the 442/642, I say neither. My 637 with a 2-1/2" bbl still works just as well as a pocket-revolver for me, and I can keep my shots on 8-1/2x11" paper at 60 feet (shooting SA), which just isn't gonna happen with me shooting my 442.

beatledog7
August 23, 2011, 11:17 PM
Purely aesthetic preference as long as you avoid the internal lock. Mine's a 642 but a 442 is on my wish list.

GDW
August 24, 2011, 08:45 PM
I had a 442 but traded it for a 336 30-30 but only because my wife has a 642 and I have a 438. I keep getting confused. I've called it a 639 and a 638 on other posts. Either way, it's the black Bodyguard without an ILS and it shoots +P. I do like how some people take their 642's and polish the cylinder and barrel. I think they look great. Oh, and they shoot great too.

Unistat
August 24, 2011, 10:48 PM
We have both. I have the 442, my wife carries the 642...

This was true for my wife and I as well, till I gave my 442 to my dad for his first carry gun.

I love those little guns! One thing about them is that you'll need to practice to get the feel of the DAO trigger. After shooting and dry firing it a bit you'll get a feel for when the internal hammer is cocked and further squeezing will shoot. Additionally, the trigger smoothes out with repeated shooting/dry firing.

Super Sneaky Steve
August 24, 2011, 10:58 PM
I carried a 642 for over a year now and it looks like total crap, but it's a very capable gun and very accurate too.

This is not a belly gun only. I can shoot very good groups with it, but you won't do it right away. It takes practice.

http://youtu.be/Tied-t1fFsk

Here you can see ol' Bob hitting a balloon at 200 yards with a model 60.

DAdams
August 25, 2011, 07:57 PM
Get either one because sooner or later you will want them both or something close.

My first choice today would be a no lock 442.

Here are a couple of my J Frames. a 642 and a M&P 340.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m22/dadams111/Handguns/P1270034-3.jpg

harmon rabb
August 25, 2011, 10:25 PM
I owned a 442. Hated it. My wife's LCR is 10x the gun.

Why? The j-frame trigger is beyond awful. It's like 18lbs, making accurate shooting impossible. The LCR trigger is LIGHT and smooth.

To be honest, smith should be embarrassed. Their product is no longer competitive, even if people don't realize it yet.

My 442 felt like a quality item, looked nice, and was reliable... but I could NOT get over the trigger.

TreeDoc
August 26, 2011, 05:22 PM
Have a 638, was bought for carry. It's my 'always' gun. I like the single action, provides more fun at the range. The triggers on these J Frames are heavy to say the least, but after some time do smooth out. They remain heavy, but for a defensive pocket gun I want a heavy trigger, Not so much a range toy, hunting arm, target piece, but as a defensive weapon it's hard to beat.

Warp
August 26, 2011, 06:24 PM
Why? The j-frame trigger is beyond awful. It's like 18lbs, making accurate shooting impossible.

I am a sub par snubby shooter who needs to put a lot of practice in, yet my results still fly in the face of your claims

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g105/austin3161324/6284762a.jpg

DAdams
August 26, 2011, 06:39 PM
It's like 18lbs, making accurate shooting impossible
To each his own.

This was my first trip to the range 6 years ago with my 642 at 5 yards. Perhaps some hand/strengthening would go a long way in dealing with triggers?

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m22/dadams111/P3020051-2.jpg

I have improved with time and as a by product I have massive muscles in my right hand and can maim with my index finger. ;)

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m22/dadams111/P4280042-1.jpg

7 yards.

JohnBT
August 26, 2011, 08:53 PM
"18lbs"

Ouch. My 442-1 isn't anywhere near that.

Okay, I had to get the gun and find a 9v battery for the Lyman gauge. The average of 8 pulls was 9 pounds & 12.5 ounces.

Fwiw, my father's 649-3 averaged 9 pounds & 4.0 ounces in DA. The SA pull is dead crisp, and light. It averaged 1 pound & 15.3 ounces.

harmon rabb
August 27, 2011, 11:08 AM
Perhaps some hand/strengthening would go a long way in dealing with triggers?

It's not a matter of strength. I just can't shoot accurately with a trigger that heavy.

Anyway, allow me to change what I said: the heavy j-frame trigger makes accurate shooting impossible for me.

bergmen
August 27, 2011, 12:32 PM
This was true for my wife and I as well, till I gave my 442 to my dad for his first carry gun.

I love those little guns! One thing about them is that you'll need to practice to get the feel of the DAO trigger. After shooting and dry firing it a bit you'll get a feel for when the internal hammer is cocked and further squeezing will shoot. Additionally, the trigger smoothes out with repeated shooting/dry firing.

Yes, exactly. These are one of the best buys in defensive handguns and they are a real joy to own, carry and shoot.

I make it a point to not buy any defensive firearm that cannot be enjoyed as a recreational plinker. This makes it so we want to take them out and have fun with them and become second-nature familiar with all aspects of operation. If it is a torture to shoot (like our little NAA .32 ACP Guardians), we are reluctant to take them out and actually try to avoid it. As a result, they sit in the back of the safe and have been removed from operational status.

Not so with the Airweights. Of all of the firearms we own, these are near the top of the list as all-around excellent guns. Fun to shoot, easy to carry and very effective. We shoot middle-of-the-road .38's for practice and fun and +P's for defensive practice and carry.

My wife likes to shoot. She LOVES to shoot her 442 and drags me out to the range on a regular basis (oh, the horror) and keeps me busy loading practice ammo for the both of us.

Dan

DAdams
August 27, 2011, 02:07 PM
My wife likes to shoot. She LOVES to shoot her 442 and drags me out to the range on a regular basis (oh, the horror) and keeps me busy loading practice ammo for the both of us.



Dan you are indeed a fortunate man!!

DAdams
August 27, 2011, 02:13 PM
Hi guys, Scott from Apex here (I'm the ugly mug in the install videos)

The test gun was a 340PD and we've put more than 1500 rounds through it without a single malfunction. We're still testing that gun, a pair of 442's and an older model 60 with tremendous success and the testing will not stop until we have more than 15,000 through each of them....yea I know, that's a ton of shooting.

If any of you have any questions about the J-Frame kit of any of our other stuff, feel free to email me or post here and I'll clarify things for you.

Scott @ Apex

Beancounter 81 said:

have installed the Apex kits in my 442 (1000 rounds at the time) and my wife's 642 (1300 rounds at the time). Kit made a significant difference in both of them. Smooth trigger, no stacking - made it lighter without going overboard. We both really like the kit. I've put 200 rounds of 158gr +P and 15 rounds Speer GDSB 135gr +P through the 442 since the kit and 150 rounds of 158gr +P through the 642. No light strikes or any malfunctions. Both have been 100%. Those with issues may wish to try an Apex Kit.


https://apextactical.com/store/product-info.php?pid49.html

mje
September 15, 2011, 04:59 PM
I had a 442 I bought used from a dimly lit gunshop, so I didn't notice how pitted the finish was ;-) It's light, easy to use, and very difficult to shoot accurately beyond 25', if that. The light weight means it's not a very comfortable gun to shoot, which means you won't practice with it as much. I liked the gun for its lightness and small size, but I still I ended up selling it.

wlewisiii
September 15, 2011, 11:11 PM
I put a down payment on a 642 last Tuesday, FWIW. I prefer the look and don't expect to worry too much about it. I have shot a snub before so the only real issue will be because this one is considerably lighter (all stainless steel Taurus 650).

ArchAngelCD
September 15, 2011, 11:52 PM
My 637 with a 2-1/2" bbl still works just as well as a pocket-revolver for me, and I can keep my shots on 8-1/2x11" paper at 60 feet (shooting SA), which just isn't gonna happen with me shooting my 442.
You really can't keep your shots on a 8.5X11" paper at only 10 yards? I'm guessing you're shooting that M637 SA because for the most part there is little difference between the M442/642 and the M637 other than the ability of a SA trigger pull.

Dollar An Hour
September 16, 2011, 09:58 AM
Agree that the decision is pretty much black vs silver. I prefer dark guns and have owned a 442-1, which I sold to get my 340MP.

I've fired silver snubbies though, and found that, in daylight, the silver sights quite a bit harder to see than the black sights on a 442.

22-rimfire
September 16, 2011, 01:22 PM
I like the 442 better. I have not had any serious problems with the finish and I generally prefer blued guns, so black was my choice. When I purchased it, it was also slightly less priced than the 642.

momano
September 16, 2011, 07:52 PM
Viking,
Which gun and what grips did you settle on, and are you happy?
My wife has a 642, I've a 442, we both love 'em - and now I want a Ruger SP101 .357 also

Tony_the_tiger
September 16, 2011, 07:59 PM
I owned a 442. Hated it. My wife's LCR is 10x the gun.

Why? The j-frame trigger is beyond awful. It's like 18lbs, making accurate shooting impossible. The LCR trigger is LIGHT and smooth.

To be honest, smith should be embarrassed. Their product is no longer competitive, even if people don't realize it yet.

My 442 felt like a quality item, looked nice, and was reliable... but I could NOT get over the trigger.

The 442 trigger pull is rather heavy. However, it is a fine firearm. I chose against the LCR because the LCR is much less suited to pocket carry than the 442 due to the large trigger guard and grips. Additionally, the LCR has an internal locking component which I am against in principle.

New, no-lock 442's can be had new @ davidsons right now for $400.

rayban
September 17, 2011, 07:38 AM
Deleting this post...it had to do with the lock thing, and after a little research I decided I don't want to be part of the discussion....as one so aptly put it, it seems to be "much ado about nothing"

wrs840
September 17, 2011, 10:13 PM
My 637 with a 2-1/2" bbl still works just as well as a pocket-revolver for me, and I can keep my shots on 8-1/2x11" paper at 60 feet (shooting SA), which just isn't gonna happen with me shooting my 442.
You really can't keep your shots on a 8.5X11" paper at only 10 yards? I'm guessing you're shooting that M637 SA because for the most part there is little difference between the M442/642 and the M637 other than the ability of a SA trigger pull.

Well, 60 feet is 20 yards. ;) ...And yes, as I also said in my post you quoted, I like the ability to shoot SA with the 637, and I think that makes a difference in a J frame (for me). I'm not sure whether the extra 5/8" of barrel on my 637 makes much difference, but for me, the results are the results.

ArchAngelCD
September 18, 2011, 02:45 AM
You are correct, it is 20 yards, not 10 yards...

coyotewillie
September 18, 2011, 03:58 PM
I just bought the 442 a couple of months ago. At the store, a friend and I were comparing the two models, and both felt the blue sites were a little easier to see over the silver. Love the gun, put CT grips on it, but I hate the trigger (should be just as smooth as my Python!! LOL), so I guess I'll have to look into the Apex kit. Greg

Litlman
September 18, 2011, 10:52 PM
442 in front left pocket right now. Have had it since 1993. In an uncle Mike's #2 (I think) pocket holster. Speed loader in right front. 10 yards I can hit you in the chest 5x.

viking499
September 18, 2011, 10:59 PM
Problem solved..........brought home a 642 this weekend.:D

Looks like this.....

http://www.lipseys.com/itemdetail.aspx?itemno=SM150957&mfg=Smith+and+Wesson&family=642+Series&type=Revolver&caliber=38+Special&action=Double+Action+Only

Bentonville
September 18, 2011, 11:32 PM
As for the trigger pull, a lot of live practice and dry firing will tend to do good things for a trigger as well as help you become familiar with the weapon. I have a Model 37 snubbie with the bobbed hammer and no lock. It was a very heavy pull for the first year or so but now it is much nicer.

txlawdog
September 19, 2011, 10:29 PM
I have two 642s, one with 3 inch barrel and one with 2 inch barrel. I like them both. I shoot better with the longer barrel which I carry in a IWB holster. The two inch is carried in my front pocket with a pocket holster. I sometimes carry them both at the same time (NY reload). My department requires we qualify with off-duty guns. Never had a problem qualifying with either.

tekarra
September 20, 2011, 09:56 PM
Have you seen the pinto 442 and 642 CDNN advertised last week?

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