Bullet type and weight


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crooked stripe
August 22, 2011, 08:52 PM
I've been invited on a whitetail hunt just down the road in a 200 acre wooded farm. The 3 people I will be going with ask that we use handguns. I have a Taurus 627 which is a 357 mag. I need opinions on what bullet to load. Weight and type. I was told to keep the velocity up to around 1300 1400 fps for the shock power. I know nothing about deer hunting with a pistol. I have shot 2 over the years with a 12 gauge slug and that is it. (Ohio rule) I have on hand 125 and 158 gr xtps, 158 lead swc, 125 gr Rainier ccfp and bought 500 125 gr jhp with a real soft nose I use for punching paper. Problem with them is when I shoot them into sand for testing when loading the jackets separate from the lead. Would anyone of these work? Could anyone point me in the right direction. rj

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35 Whelen
August 23, 2011, 12:29 AM
Get your hands on everything you can read by Brian Pearce of Handloader Magazine. He's killed quite a few deer, bear and even an elk or two with the .357 Magnum revolver. If memory serves, he mostly uses cast bullets; specifically the Lyman 358156 and 358429 in hollowpoint form. Both of these weigh in the neighborhood of 160 grs.
35W

gamestalker
August 23, 2011, 04:26 AM
My Son dropped a deer with his .357 using my 125 gr. XTP's hand loaded with 20.0 grains. of H110 or 296. These chronographed at over 1500 fps and performed impressively in tightly rolled up and water soaked denim, no separation and excellent pedaling. 158 gr. Gold Dots also performed well, and velocity was about 1300 pfs with 18.2 grains of H110/296. However, I tested Sierra 125's and they separated almost on impact for some reason. Almost every one of them did this too.
Be sure to use a magnum primer if you go with either one of those powder's.

crooked stripe
August 23, 2011, 06:51 AM
My Son dropped a deer with his .357 using my 125 gr. XTP's hand loaded with 20.0 grains. of H110 or 296. These chronographed at over 1500 fps and performed impressively in tightly rolled up and water soaked denim, no separation and excellent pedaling. 158 gr. Gold Dots also performed well, and velocity was about 1300 pfs with 18.2 grains of H110/296. However, I tested Sierra 125's and they separated almost on impact for some reason. Almost every one of them did this too.
Be sure to use a magnum primer if you go with either one of those powder's.
(However, I tested Siera 125's and they separated almost on impact for some reason.)
This statement has me thinking at what point does the separation happen. If to soon, accuracy will be gone.
The other point is about FPS, I thought a heaver bullet would give me greater punch power but with the 125's I get more speed thus resulting in more energy. Thoughts?

buck460XVR
August 23, 2011, 07:14 AM
Outta what you have, the 158XTPs would be my choice. Are they the HPs or the FPs?

35 Whelen
August 23, 2011, 07:27 AM
One thing to remember about pistol bullets. Since they are light in weight relative to their diameters, they by penetrate less. When you use an expanding bullet such as a hollowpoint, penetration is reduced even further.

35W

crooked stripe
August 23, 2011, 08:00 AM
Yes, HP's

gamestalker
August 23, 2011, 05:02 PM
All of the bullets I mentioned were in fact HP's. I personally prefer the 125 gr. XTP HP bullet because they seem to utilize velcoity quite well regarding penetration. The integrity of the XTP HP is really good, even though it does mushrom completely, they haven't separated at all when I've used them. But a 158 gr. XTP or Gold Dot HP will no doubt get the job done with a hefty charge of H110 or 296 also. I don't have my charts in front of me at the moment, but I would venture to guess there is a fair amount of equality between the higher velocity 125's, and the slightly lower velocity158's.
If you have any old denim jeans you can part with do a test. Fill a large card board box lined with a trash bag with water and then roll up the denim real tight and then allow them to get well soaked in the water filled box. Shoot into the long end of the box, retrieve your bullets and then you can get some idea of how they will perform. You can also use soaked phone books or a bunch of tightly packed newspaper with some fairly good results to evaluate from.
Good luck and enjoy the hunt and testing process!

rcmodel
August 23, 2011, 05:06 PM
The 140 XTP should also do quite well.
Good compromise between the 125's shock & 158's penetratrion.

That's all I use in my .357's, unless I'm using cast SWC bullets.

rc

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