Beretta 92 or HK 9mm for BEATER gun?


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Skunkabilly
January 27, 2003, 05:20 PM
This is the gun that goes on kayaking trips, hiking and where legally permissable, camping.

Which would you pick, and why? Would be carried with lanyard loop, IWB in nylon holster with thumbreak for retention, water resistance, and to keep out of sight of sheepish but otherwise cute & cuddly fellow churchgoers.

Beretta would be fullsize as I already have one, and don't care for the compact or Cougars, but I would get another one because I don't want to scratch my carbon fiber grips. HK could be the 9F, 9C or P2000. I am NOT losing my P7M8!!!

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Beren
January 27, 2003, 05:26 PM
Glock 19, purchased very used (preferably a factory refurb), with two pre-ban 15 rd magazines. Why bang up a nice Beretta or USP when you can smack around a Glock? And they can fire underwater! (cough, cough)

But seriously, that's what I would recommend. I'd worry about my Beretta rusting, and USPs seem to be so much more expensive. Not to mention the Glock would probably weigh less and conceal better.

Schuey2002
January 27, 2003, 05:27 PM
sheepish but otherwise cute & cuddly fellow churchgoers. LOL !
Pack both. You never know what might happen on outing with "cute n' cuddly" churchgoers !!:D

This is a good excuse to get an even smaller (size wise) handgun to add to you Tactical collection.

Such as a *ahem* Glock 26 or 27... Or a Kahr perhaps ?! :)

Handy
January 27, 2003, 05:35 PM
If that's your choices, I guess the USP will get knocked around and rained on more happily of the two. But calling either "beater" is tough.

Various wholesalers are offering Very Good used Sigs for less $400. How about a 226 (Since it is so similar to the other two)? That would be a trusty weapon that has already taken a bump or two..

Obviously, this could devolve quickly into a brand naming game, since there are a ton of good, tough 9mms out there for decent prices. (Even if limited to DA/SA full size only.) So why those two?

Omaha-BeenGlockin
January 27, 2003, 05:35 PM
Again---mini Glock.

Schuey2002
January 27, 2003, 05:39 PM
Now that I think about it, a Compact HK P2000 would be perfect for what you need.. The only problem is getting one.

That,and the waiting ... The endless waiting.:banghead: :)

seeker_two
January 27, 2003, 06:39 PM
Ruger KP-95 or KP-97 (stainless slide/polymer frame.) :D

JeepDriver
January 27, 2003, 07:12 PM
Ruger P95.

I bought one a few years ago and haven't had any problems with it.

Great gun at a great price.

OH yea, 15 round stainless mags sell for around $15 from CDNN.

CWL
January 27, 2003, 07:15 PM
Shopping for another new toy? ;)

Would have to agree that Glock or Ruger would be cheaper & better choice for "beater" gun.

Why not your P7M8? It already comes with a lanyard hole. The metal is incredibly hard (you could hardchrome) and is really compact & accurate. (Might sink you like an anchor if you kayak though).

Perhaps it's time for you to consider adding a SS revolver to your "Tactical" collection.

New_comer
January 27, 2003, 07:19 PM
Beater gun?

Not our beloved HK! :what:

Though it's got what it takes to breeze thru abuse from nature, even if you intend to go hiking/camping in the Himalayas! :D:D:D

I'd suggest the inexpensive HS2000 (XD). G-19 sized, SA-like trigger, and I've read somewhere that it accepts Beretta mags. At least you wouldn't be scrounging for proprietary hi-caps. You do have hicap Beretta mags?

Later...;)

Will Fennell
January 27, 2003, 07:34 PM
Skunk,
Search GUN LIST for a police trade in BERETTA 92. You aleady "know" the 92, you've got hi caps...its a good gun, whats not to love.

I saw some in great mechanical shape, with alot of carry wear the other day for $350.

Soap
January 27, 2003, 08:23 PM
I would go with the HK. The versatility of the Variant One would be great for an everything gun. I've shot a fellow THR member's USP 40 a good bit and I like it MUCH better than the Beretta 92/96 series. Just because you're going to beat on it, that doesn't mean you shouldn't spend some cash on it. Guns are meant to be used. Spend cash, use, smile. Good luck with the ladies BTW :)

10-Ring
January 27, 2003, 09:13 PM
Get a police trade in 92fs! You have the most trigger time on the 92fs and probably won't have to buy many new accessories :cool:

Skunkabilly
January 27, 2003, 09:13 PM
Jeez, I said Beretta **OR** HK, not Beretta, HK, Ruger, Glock, Sig! :D

Baron Holbach
January 27, 2003, 09:33 PM
That's a tough call, Skunk. I have both the 92FS and HKUSP 9mm. The HK is lighter and might be more weather-resistant than the Beretta. The 92 is a more enjoyable shooter and fits my hand like a glove. The HK has its own idiosyncrasies, and yet is just as reliable, if not more accurate, than the 92. I would recommend the HK for your first camping trip. On your second camping trip take the 92; then you would be able to assess the pros and cons of each gun under similar conditions.

Sven
January 27, 2003, 09:35 PM
I said Beretta **OR** HK

Sounds like a false dilemma to me.

http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/distract/fd.htm

Definition:

A limited number of options (usually two) is given, while in reality there are more options. A false dilemma is an illegitimate use of the "or" operator.

Blueduck
January 27, 2003, 10:13 PM
Beretta and HK are not "beater" gun's in my economic class but hey, more power to ya:cool:

I think of Rugers in that role but Handy makes a great point about buying quality used police surplus with a few dings it was gonna get anyway.

10-Ring
January 27, 2003, 11:10 PM
Get the cheapest, nastiest looking 92fs you can find. The get it re-finished (2 tone of course), new springs and maybe a new lock block and you're set. ;)

kalibear45
January 27, 2003, 11:50 PM
Beretta

Kahr carrier
January 27, 2003, 11:57 PM
Police trade in -Berretta.:D

firestar
January 28, 2003, 03:42 AM
I vote Beretta 92fs with NS. There are still plenty of hi-caps for cheap and it is a nice shooting gun. It will most likly be less money than the H&K also.

I personally can't imagine tucking either a Beretta or a H&K in my wasteband while I was on a camping trip. Are you going to be hiking and running around or is it a sit by the campfire and roast marshmello type of thing?

My pick (which I know you didn't ask for) would be my Ruger P95 9mm. It is cheap, light, accurate, reliable and tough as any gun out there. I still need some factory hi caps for it though. Carrying only 10 in the mag keeps the weight down though.:D

Gary G23
January 28, 2003, 09:31 AM
HK

usp_fan
January 28, 2003, 10:02 AM
Just some other points to consider.

I don't kayak, but I do put in lots of miles with a pack. If you're going to be hiking and use a hip belt to distribute the load, you don't want to carry IWB. I have found some great stash points on my pack for my USPc. Under the lid is my favorite. I can reach up, slip my hand under the pack lid and pull the pistol from it's nylon holster fastened to the top compression strap almost as fast as drawing from a fanny pack. BTW. If you are doing outdoors activities, a fanny pack is a great way to pack--it fits right in. Several of the trendy mountainsmith brand packs can be adapted easily to carry a hoster. Think of it as REI camo.

As for the gun, The USP! Better corosion resistance, lighter weight, smaller package--all good things when outdoors.

ps When in bear country I carry a ruger .45 bisley loaded heavy.

--usp_fan

Baron Holbach
January 28, 2003, 10:45 AM
USP, is your .45LC Bisley loaded to +P? What is the grain weight?

Tamara
January 28, 2003, 10:52 AM
If you want to carry a 92fs IWB, then go right ahead.

The USP is the way I'd go, both due to the IWB requirement and due to its overall scratch & ding resistance.

45R
January 28, 2003, 12:35 PM
How about a used Glock 30. Easy to use, compact and can unleash 11 rounds of 230 gr hardball. :neener:

Skunkabilly
January 28, 2003, 04:42 PM
You know, I don't know why I didn't think of the fanny pack.

agony
January 29, 2003, 01:04 AM
I'd go HK for the truly tactical camping trip.
:p

triggertime
January 29, 2003, 02:33 AM
"You know, I don't know why I didn't think of the fanny pack."

I know! Because fanny packs aren't tactical! :neener:

Skunkabilly
January 29, 2003, 02:34 AM
Maybe I'll get another P7M8 as my beater gun :D :D :D

Of course I'll sell everything I owned to pay for the next two...so I can have 4 as recommended by my favorite Indianan.

Man...kinda tempted to get an HK fullsize for when I leave Cali, I'm going to get boatloads of 15 rounders!!! Going for broke! Wait...since my living expenses will be cut in half...I can get twice as much when I go for broke! Reehaw!!

Ok.

Thing with Berettas is I can't go to the 92FS . I love the 92FS but I've trained myself with the 92G, and while the same gun, one has a manual safety, the other doesn't. I'd get totally dorked up trying to figure out which one is on my belt and would stick with the G-models. So if I got the Beretta, it would be a 92G-SD, the black Brigadier with the light rail, bringing the cost close to that of a USP9, so the price is a moot point.

I'm been pondering the fanny pack thing. But I don't go outdoors that much anymore. Too much class on the weekends, and every time we schedule a hike, we get rained out. I'd go in the rain, but they end up cancelling them, so I shoot matches instead!

10-Ring
January 29, 2003, 12:22 PM
Can the 92fs be converted to decock only? How difficult would it be to have an armorer convert one?

If you're really against the 'fs' then I guess you've answered your own inquiry...get the USP 9 & then when you leave the state you can stock up on real mags.

San Francisquito Bill
January 30, 2003, 04:52 AM
Oh Skunk, how I HATE to say this...

Buy the...Ugh...Darn...U...S...P...Ohhhh


I like the Beretta. I hate the USP. The reason I don't like the HK is that it doesn't fit my hand, the grip feels like I'm holding a pineapple, and the safety jabs my thumb right near the base. Well, If it fits your hand, it's definately reiliable, accuarate, and it is a bit lighter than the Beretta.

The only G models available to you right now ***gotta love CA*** are Brigadier versions (Elite and GSD) which will make the gun heavier.

I like the idea of another P7 (I just got a really nice P7 PSP for $650) but it's too nice a gun for a "beater" and requires a bit too much upkeep.

A USP9F or USP9C sound like the way to go for the options you chose.

One last question...Why not the current USP .45 you have. I should be the last person to advocate NOT buying another gun, but with the exception of capacity, I'd take the USP .45 over any of the other choices.

Well, good luck and good shopping. Let us know what you decide.

SFB

TreeSquid
January 30, 2003, 04:22 PM
Yeah, I always think about spending $500+ for my beater gun! *cough*
:p

Get a Ruger auto. It'll take any beating no problem, and it'll cost you maybe $300 new, considerably less if used.

Skunkabilly
January 30, 2003, 08:46 PM
10-ring, it's really easy to convert a Beretta 92FS to cock & lock but not worth anyone's time, trouble or money to decock only. Go figure. As much as I like C&L I don't want two different manual of arms on the same gun(s). Too confusing.

USP9C sounds great, but I want to see how the P2000 stacks up to it. I guess I'll wait. I don't go canoeing much and dont' have my CCW just yet anyway.

Climb14er
January 30, 2003, 09:24 PM
for the backcountry and mountains. 21 rounds, two mags, Safepacker holster, Proload and FMJ, what more do I really need.

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