Silver Bear "match" 7.62x39


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SuicideKing
January 23, 2004, 06:01 PM
I was up at Cheaper Than Dirt the day after X-mas and picked up a few boxes of this stuff... it seems to shoot fine.

The thing that piqued my interest is the little nipple at the nose of the bullet... which they advertise "improves accuracy".

What do y'all say about this... I had never seen anything like that before.

heres a pic.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/product_images/1277/AMM-638.jpg

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MLC
January 23, 2004, 06:09 PM
I'd send some to a fellow with a CZ 427 in 7.62x39 and see how it groups compared to other steel cased Russkie stuff.
Can you post a non-adult pic of the nipple?
Perhaps it uses laminar flow to change the ballistic coefficient of the bullet?

WonderNine
January 23, 2004, 07:06 PM
Supposedly the nipple covering the hollowpoint also reduces wind drag....

I don't know why it would make it more accurate though.

Navy joe
January 23, 2004, 08:49 PM
Should "match" be used in the same sentence as 7.62x39? :D I'm sure the cartridge can be accurate, just don't see many tackdriving guns for it.

WonderNine
January 23, 2004, 09:35 PM
Well a deer felt to an SKS with some "match" grade Silver Bear last fall at 100 yards, I doubt it cared whether the gun was a tack driver. :D

I don't doubt that an accurate gun could be made for it though. I mean .223 out of a Mini-14 compared to a bolt is like night and day...

DMK
January 23, 2004, 10:05 PM
I think the "Match" description is a bunch of bull. I also have a couple tins of Silver Bear FMJ that marked "Hunting Cartridge" right on the tin and on the box it came in. Sure, maybe for "hunting" Chechens. :rolleyes:

I've found that "Match, Effect" 8M1 one of the two least accurate of four different types of x39 (S&B FMJ, Silver Bear FMJ, Barnual HP, and Silver Bear "Effect") that I took to the range one day and shot through three different SKS.

Just my opinion, but it seems to me that the tip on the 8M1 above is designed to make the round tumble on impact. The Russians put little labels like "Match" and "Hunting Cartridge" on these rounds because if they called it "Anti-Personnel" (which is what I think it really is), it would be pretty difficult to import into the land of green money. That's just my opinion though. ;)

MLC
January 23, 2004, 10:09 PM
Should "match" be used in the same sentence as 7.62x39? I'm sure the cartridge can be accurate, just don't see many tackdriving guns for it.

Indeed the 6mm PPC, argueably the most accurate rifle cartridge in the world, is the offspring of the 7.62x39 case. I think that with
Western or Western European components and rifles the 7.62x39 is no slouch in the accuracy department.
data (http://www.accuratereloading.com/76239.html)

uglygun
January 23, 2004, 10:10 PM
if a decent gun was made for it and there was decent quality ammo, the 7.62x39mm should be able to do fairly well accuracy wise. Little thing shares some things with the PPC line of cartridges with both of them being decendants of the 220Russian if I'm not mistaken.

Nightcrawler
January 24, 2004, 12:41 AM
I also have a couple tins of Silver Bear FMJ that marked "Hunting Cartridge" right on the tin and on the box it came in.

They hunt with FMJ in Russia. Check out this article (http://club.guns.ru/eng/norilsk.html) from Club.Guns.Ru (http://club.guns.ru/eng).

Unafraid of vehicles, foxes can let a hunter approach them pretty close for a sure shot. Vladimir, an excellent shooter, commanded the driver to halt and jumped off the vehicle. He cocked his VEPR-308 and made his way on foot toward the beast. The fox started to run, but had no chance to escape: the bullet caught him in the chest. When we all came running, the fox was motionless. Vladimir commented that to hunt a polar fox at distances over 100 meters, he prefers a round with the FMJ bullet. Semi-jacketed bullets do more harm to the skin of the animal. He uses the same type of ammunition to shoot deer too. He said, the round was versatile and was his favorite.

Snowdog
January 24, 2004, 07:01 AM
Sure, maybe for "hunting" Chechens.
:D

I've always figured the bullet configuration of Silverbears "Match" ammuntion was a gimmick. It's always appeared to me one less step in the manufacturing process of their HPs (skip sawing the tips off).

Offer a bullet that looks different, attribute some specific purpose for it and it's bound to sell in America.

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