bds
August 27, 2011, 09:44 AM
FYI, while responding to another thread (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=611070) for 40S&W 180 gr load data, I referenced Hodgdon load data and Lyman #49 reloading handbook.
What I found was perplexing, with Lyman #49 lead load data significantly higher than Hodgdon jacketed load data.
- Hodgdon load data lists 4.1-5.0 gr for 180 gr jacketed bullet at 1.125" OAL
- Lyman #49 lists 4.3-5.8 gr for 175 gr lead TCFP at 1.125" OAL (but the groove diameter of the 4" test barrel fixture was .401" and reflects the higher powder charge).
I used to think that was due to the lighter 175 gr lead bullet over 180 gr, but when I checked the test barrel fixture details, Hodgdon used 4", 1:16" twist, Winchester SP primer and .400" groove diameter barrel for the .400" jacketed bullet while Lyman used 4", 1:16" twist, Winchester SP primer and larger .401" groove diameter barrel for .401" lead bullet.
That would explain the higher start/max powder charges for the lead load data - with decreased bullet-to-barrel fit, bullet was probably driven harder to obtain proper bumping of the base (obturation) for consistent chamber pressures.
Some factory barrels are over sized but I didn't figure universal test barrel fixture being over sized. BTW, I did some more looking around Lyman #49 for other calibers test barrel groove diameters:
380Auto - .355" / .355" sized lead bullet
9mm - .355" / .356"
357Sig - .3553" / .355"
9x21 - .355" / .355"
.38Spl - .357" / .358"
.357Mag - .356" / .357"
40S&W - .401" / .401"
10mm - .400" / .401"
.44Spl - .429" / .429"
.44Mag - .429" / .429"
45ACP - .450" / .451"
Now I wonder what implication this would have on our lead bullet reloading in regards to our barrel groove diameter size?
What I found was perplexing, with Lyman #49 lead load data significantly higher than Hodgdon jacketed load data.
- Hodgdon load data lists 4.1-5.0 gr for 180 gr jacketed bullet at 1.125" OAL
- Lyman #49 lists 4.3-5.8 gr for 175 gr lead TCFP at 1.125" OAL (but the groove diameter of the 4" test barrel fixture was .401" and reflects the higher powder charge).
I used to think that was due to the lighter 175 gr lead bullet over 180 gr, but when I checked the test barrel fixture details, Hodgdon used 4", 1:16" twist, Winchester SP primer and .400" groove diameter barrel for the .400" jacketed bullet while Lyman used 4", 1:16" twist, Winchester SP primer and larger .401" groove diameter barrel for .401" lead bullet.
That would explain the higher start/max powder charges for the lead load data - with decreased bullet-to-barrel fit, bullet was probably driven harder to obtain proper bumping of the base (obturation) for consistent chamber pressures.
Some factory barrels are over sized but I didn't figure universal test barrel fixture being over sized. BTW, I did some more looking around Lyman #49 for other calibers test barrel groove diameters:
380Auto - .355" / .355" sized lead bullet
9mm - .355" / .356"
357Sig - .3553" / .355"
9x21 - .355" / .355"
.38Spl - .357" / .358"
.357Mag - .356" / .357"
40S&W - .401" / .401"
10mm - .400" / .401"
.44Spl - .429" / .429"
.44Mag - .429" / .429"
45ACP - .450" / .451"
Now I wonder what implication this would have on our lead bullet reloading in regards to our barrel groove diameter size?