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ordman72
August 28, 2011, 09:48 PM
i have another question what does everyone think of the 357 sig
for side arm in the woods the 5 inch barrel Springfield xdm version?

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orionengnr
August 28, 2011, 10:35 PM
I think there are better options.

wharvey
August 28, 2011, 11:04 PM
What is it to be used for? Two legged beasts-fine, four legged - as said above; they're better choices.

Devonai
August 29, 2011, 01:35 AM
The 5" barrel will give you similar performance to the .357 Magnum 125-grain load in the same barrel length, but with the advantages of a semi-auto. It should suit you just fine for all applications except dangerous game. The real factor is the cost of the conversion; if there are other .357 Sig pistols that can be had for less, you might consider them instead.

loadedround
August 29, 2011, 09:35 AM
I to feel that would be much better calibers for a"woods Gun"than a 357 Sig, move for two legged and nasty four legged critters.

hardluk1
August 30, 2011, 09:07 AM
Not many woods guys would use a 125gr in a 357 mag not when soooo many better choice's out there. So thats the way i would look at the 125gr in a sig load. There are better choices unless thats all you have. With the 357mag you can have a 158gr moveing along at 1400fps +

Shaky
August 30, 2011, 05:19 PM
If bears are a concern, a 10mm might be a better choice, but if coyotes (either variety) are what you're worried about, the 357 sig will do everything the 9mm will, with a bit of extra range, but a couple less times per reload.

mdauben
August 30, 2011, 07:19 PM
Not many woods guys would use a 125gr in a 357 mag not when soooo many better choice's out there.
As a "woods guy" with several decades of experience, I would disagree. Unless you are in Alaska where big brown bears are found, a .357 mag is IMO the perfect woods handgun. More than sufficent for any 2-legged or 4-legged trouble you are likely to encounter in the lower 48. I honestly don't see the need for a .44 magnum, let alone any of the bigger "hand canon" calibers.

aryfrosty
August 30, 2011, 07:28 PM
If you like the .357 Sig you should go with your thoughts and wants instead of worrying about the naysayers. I had Glocks, large and small, in .40S&W and then after I spent some time studying and shooting the .357 Sig I traded my G22 for a G32 and changed over my G27 to the caliber. I have several choices of handguns to carry and if I decide to carry my Glocks I don't feel at all undergunned. Regards.

Seven For Sure
August 31, 2011, 12:24 AM
357sig from a 5" tube would make a fine hiking pistol. Most factory ammo should get to at least 1450 FPS.

WinThePennant
August 31, 2011, 10:04 AM
I always hear people say that the 10mm is the best semi-auto for carrying in the woods.

TwoWheelFiend
August 31, 2011, 12:38 PM
In my opinion it all depends where your hiking and what kind of beasts you may encounter. I own a p226 in .357 sig and it has been my companion on my walks in the woods. But the biggest thing i may have to deal with is a black bear, Wich i am extremely confident a 125 gr gdhp at about 1450fps would take care of. There are obviously better choices but a .357 sig is not a BAD choice by any means. Try shooting some 147gr out if it. They pack a little more punch.

Snowdog
August 31, 2011, 07:28 PM
Yes, Double Tap offers 147gr JHP at 1325 FPS IIRC. Of course this still doesn't put it on par with the .357 Magnum, but it might offer the .357 Sig more versatility than only having only one weight to work with.

If I lived near Yellowstone, sure... I might want something in 10mm or .44 Magnum. However, in the mountains of WNC I've carried my M&P40c (with .357 Sig and .40 S&W barrel), Steyr M40 and even M57 in 7.62x25 and feel I was well armed for the environment.

Again, if you hike where you might encounter large cats, grizzly, aggressive moose or other dangers creatures of that size, you might want to consider something of a different magnitude all together.
However, if you carry where you're most likely to encounter a problem with something smaller, such as an aggressive stray dog or a transient meth-head who wants your granola bars, you probably can make do with something that lacks the magnum moniker.

Strykervet
August 31, 2011, 07:47 PM
A .357mag is NOT a .357SIG. The mag has much more power with a long barrel, say 6". I can shove 125gr. bullets at around 1700fps (maybe more) with a 6" bbl. I doubt the Sig is doing that.

So for autoloaders, I agree with the 10mm. I like the G20. It has more power than the .357mag in general, but less than the .41mag. Good for anything defensive short of big brown bears.

Make sure you take a can of bear spray with you too. It works better on animals than bullets really. Bears have a sense of smell several times greater than a dog... It will stop them and make them think twice, they don't like it. If for some reason that doesn't cut it, it may give you the extra time you need shoot well. Bullets hurt them and scare them and only make them charge harder until they lose blood pressure unless you anchor them (which ain't happening with most handguns). So even if you unload you mag in a bear or big cat, you're probably gonna have to hang in there for a few minutes until they collapse. This is saying they attack at all in the first place, they usually run off.

Deaf Smith
August 31, 2011, 08:55 PM
i have another question what does everyone think of the 357 sig
for side arm in the woods the 5 inch barrel Springfield xdm version?
You are talking about a 125gr bullet at about 1500 fps.

That ought to do it for anything short of bear or deer.

I don't see why it would not work fine.

Deaf

TwoWheelFiend
September 1, 2011, 08:34 AM
My buddy has one of those Smith Alaskan backpackers, now that is a GREAT hiking gun. It doesnt weigh anything and packs the .44 mag punch...... Big Medicine

bottlerocket
September 1, 2011, 11:54 AM
Sig is on the left, Mag is on the right. NOT THE SAME AT ALL. I don't like .357 Sig for lots of reasons, but mainly for two. One because its expensive (relatively) and two because its a PITA to reload.
http://cdn.mqstatic.com/files/gunslot/imagecache/page/images/76354.jpg

Snowdog
September 1, 2011, 04:30 PM
i have another question what does everyone think of the 357 sig
for side arm in the woods the 5 inch barrel Springfield xdm version?

Seriously, did he ask if the .357 Sig was a .357 Magnum?

Did anyone in their response say the .357 Sig was a .357 Magnum?

The .357 Sig is not a .357 Mag and doesn't have the same potential by a wide margin. Yeah, I do believe we all get that well established fact.

Enough with the chest pounding already. The questions was if the .357Sig makes for an acceptable trail pistol, not a hunting pistol. I don't know what kind of dangerous game a man might encounter along the trails of NM, but I think in most realistic situations, the .357 Sig will hold it's own.

Deaf Smith
September 1, 2011, 09:03 PM
I don't know what kind of dangerous game a man might encounter along the trails of NM, but I think in most realistic situations, the .357 Sig will hold it's own.

It will!

Deaf

ATAShooter
September 2, 2011, 02:14 PM
The 357sig is a physically small round that packs a hell of a wollop. It is a bit more expensive in ammo to practice, and as stated before, a beast to reload. Now, In my area, trade in value of them is poor to say the least. I had one and found the recoil a tad too snappy for me ( I have real small Circus midget hands). It will do the job, but, put some more research into it before you buy, and then make your purchase. I know alot of law enforcement that will swear by them.

32 Magnum
September 2, 2011, 02:48 PM
There was a article in one of the "Guns and Ammo" mags, I think it was last year, wherein the author tested the 140 gr Truncated cone FMJ S&B .357 SIG ammo. He found that those rounds penetrated 54" of ballistic gellatin (4 18" blocks laid end to end) and broke a 2x4 at the end of the stack that was nailed to the bench to retain the gelatin and had enough energy to spin off to parts unknown. He also found that round would penetrate both doors of an automobile and penetrated standard windshields from a variety of angles.
If I remember correctly, that type of penetration is very similar to what you'd expect from FMJ .357 Mag ammo. The author's conclusion was that it would not be suitable for self defense because of over penetration, but would certainly be suitable for Highway Patrolman use.
Anyway, my point is that if that round will penetrate that much gelatin - it certainly should go pretty deep into a large, thick skinned animal with a good amount of energy.
I have a SIG 2340 with both .40 S&W and .357 SIG barrels - from my experience the .40 barrel is a bit more accurate with 155 gr ammo, but the .357 SIG is much more fun to shoot at the range and you get 12 rounds per magazine load of potentially very hot ammo.

20nickels
September 2, 2011, 04:35 PM
Yes OP it's a fine pick for the woods. I'm partial to the 357 Mag out of a smaller package but you won't be under gunned.

ordman72
September 3, 2011, 02:29 AM
Thanks again for all the thoughts and opinions sorry it takes so long for me to get back
the navy takes up a lot of time.

Justin Holder
September 3, 2011, 04:47 PM
In my opinion the .357 sig should make an excellent trail gun, especially if you want to do some small game hunting or are concerned about dogs or coyotes.

The .38 super in the 1911 platform is an old time favorite for woods carry were it's flatter trajectory and increased capacity over the .45acp was preferred. In most loadings the .357 sig beats the .38 super by a couple hundred feet per second in the same bullet weights.

kmrcstintn
September 4, 2011, 09:34 AM
currently I have been working with several diffferent sidearms for woods carry and I am swinging in the direction of something that shoots .357 sig; my observations are as follows:

1) my Ruger Redhawk w/ 7.5" barrel in .44 mag is too heavy for scouting & too much of a 'hunting' caliber for use as a protection sidearm during archery season; PA allows carry for protection, but it is advised to use a 'nonsporting' type firearm (something NOT for hunting)

2) my S&W 686 w/ 6" barrel in .357 mag is almost as heavy for scouting & on the border line as a 'hunting' caliber for use as a protection sidearm during arc hery season (same concern as above)

3) my Beretta 92FS in 9mm fits the 'nonsporting' category, but lacks 'punch' as a caliber

4) my Ruger P345 in .45 acp was the leading contender for a 'nonsporting' woods carry handgun, but I acquired something new

5) my Sig Sauer P229 in .40 s&w is the new leading contender until I got a conversion barrel & some .357 sig ammo that groups well from the gun; I know the .40 is not as 'good' as a .45 acp, but the increased amount of ammo on hand and better 'punch' than the 9mm puts the P229 as my current main choice

basicblur
September 4, 2011, 10:07 AM
The OP might want be interested in this? (stream or download as MP3)

ProArms Podcast covers 357 SIG cartridge
"We're Getting the Band Back Together" to discuss the .357SIG cartridge (http://proarmspodcast.com/2010/07/11/055-were-getting-the-band-back-together-to-discuss-the-357sig-cartridge/)
(discussion starts @ the 8 minute mark).

It’s been a long time since we had the whole Band together, this time we have everyone but Mike (he was up “nort”) to discuss our experiences with the .357SIG cartridge. The topic was by listener request. Learn how many state police departments have adopted it, why it can be an ideal personal protection round in rural areas, and why some of our podcast team members carry that caliber daily.

AK103K
September 6, 2011, 09:55 AM
I was enamored with the 357SIG for a number of years, and carried one daily while I was. Never really ran into all the problems the naysayers tell you, other than towards the end of using it, price did become a factor.

I used to by both .40 and 357SIG by the case, and the price was always the same for both. Last I checked, the 357SIG had gone up a good bit more. Even reloading became pricey, mainly because of the price of the bullets, which tend to be caliber specific.

Reloading the round isnt any harder than any of the others, and only requires one extra step if you use a .40 sizer instead of lube. I never had any issues with neck tension, and with the proper powder and load, bullet set back is a non issue.

The round does have a bit of a "bark", but I never found it to be all that bad. I also never found it to be "flashy", factory or reloads, so I dont know what people were using who claim it is. I used to shoot mine indoors quite a bit, and it wasnt any worse than anything else there either. Recoil is really no different than +P+ 9mm out of the same model gun.

The 357mag lovers always chime in about how much better and more versatile the 357mag is, and in some respects they are right. The 357SIG does seem to do what it was designed to do, and that is mimic the old 125 grain 357mag loading. Its main purpose is fairly narrow, that being a personal defense round, so all "versatility" aside, it works as designed. Something the "mag" lovers tend to leave out too is, you cant get a 357mag in an auto loader that has the grip size and mag capacity of a 9mm. The smaller 357SIG's also tend to be a lot easier to shoot well with than the smaller 357mags, in any configuration, although I dont see either being the right choice in that respect.


While I like the round, I gave it up a couple of years back and went back to 9mm. Ammos cheaper, reloading is cheaper, and in its +P+ loading with similar weight bullets, its basically the same thing.

If youre interested in 357SIG, by all means, give it a try. I dont think youll dislike it. Just dont be surprised that down the road, you start getting that 'meh' felling about it, and realize that you can accomplish the same thing, and be shooting more for less with other things.

Maple_City_Woodsman
September 6, 2011, 11:27 PM
DNR Conservation officers carry Sigs in 357 Sig around here, but we don't have any bears.

They are worried about belligerent poachers, pot farmers, making shots across bodies of water, penetrating barriers, and putting down wounded herbivores. For those roles, the 357 Sig is an excellent tool.

In many respects, those are the same qualities most of us should be looking for in many many US states. The 'B' word should not in any way be the litmus test for 99% of outdoorsmen in the lower 48.

1stmarine
September 7, 2011, 12:15 AM
Do the average folks in most situations need to use these rounds? no!
Do many other calibers with and w/o +P hp can get the job done? Yes!

357 SIG is a very nice round, flat shooting and hard hitting.
Plan to spend a little more as it costs more to shoot (not to reload)
Austrian special police shoot 80-90gr solid pills in excess of 2000fps.
Very effective to defeat type II and IIIA body armor.
It is the US Secret service choice for a reason.
So is the choice of the local Police department here that have plenty of money from our local taxes!

For civilians several 124gr HP moving at 1400+fps are a great defensive choice.
5" is adequate. I would keep full size as with a 9mm +P+ is all about speed.

Deputy25
September 7, 2011, 11:34 AM
I work in the woods (Conservation Officer) and I'm issued a Glock 31 in 357Sig. It does everything we need it to do, and then some. It replaced our S&W 686 revolvers and was a big upgrade in the opinion of the troops in the field. As far as use on large critters, that's what our issued long guns are for.

basicblur
September 7, 2011, 03:03 PM
Plan to spend a little more as it costs more to shoot
May depend on your area, or maybe just shop around a bit-prices vary wildly.
I notice online SD 357 SIG costs 'bout the same as other SD rounds, and many times cheaper than stuff like 9mm+P & +P+, 45ACP, etc.

If you have any police supply houses in your area, you need to pay 'em a visit.
I have 'bout three on my regular shopping run, and so far I've been able to find 357 SIG as cheap or cheaper than 9mm +P.
It might be because I live in an area where numerous agencies have gone to the 357 SIG that it's cheaper?

I made a BIG dent in one police supply house-they had Remington Golden Saber Bonded in 357 SIG for $17.95/box of 50!

I just backed ye olde truck up to the door... :D

1stmarine
September 7, 2011, 08:39 PM
basicblur,
There are exceptions of course and it is a good thing to check with local supply houses.
With the exception of the carry HP options that vary in price and specs but for the purposes of training I use a local warehouse and the best I can do is $320 for 1000 vs $210 for 1000 in 40caliber and $190 in 9mm luger all in Federal American Eagle.
I do watch for deals and buy bulk as I shoot between 7-9K training IDPA rounds/year so in the end all adds up.

If someone suggested the .357 SIG is a substitute for the .357 mag that is wrong. But in reality the idea behind the SIG was to reproduce .357 ballistics in that grain range 110-124gr in
a small package that would feed very reliable from a small frame semi-automatic pistol. So Federal and SIG Sauer arms manufacturer after lots of research took the .40cal and necked that one down to 9mm and
there you have it. .357 mag has many other options and can be pumped to extremes. There is no 180gr SIG hunting cartridge and that was not the objective.

I have these going at 1510-1520fps out of a 5" lone wolf barrel... That is 636ft/lb ..not too far behind may 124gr .357 mags, in this case superior....

http://www.shopcorbon.com/Self-Defense-JHP/357-Sig-125gr-CORBON-Self-Defense-JHP/SD357SIG125-20/100/Product

http://www.shopcorbon.com/Self-Defense-JHP/357-Mag-125gr-CORBON-Self-Defense-JHP/SD357125-20/100/Product

It can be a pain to reload but reloading process can be improved with a bit of dollars/tools and patience.

Old krow
September 7, 2011, 11:28 PM
If you can stomach the Glock platform, I'd suggest the Glock 20. You'd have the option to shoot the 10mm, .357SIG, or the .40SW.

I wouldn't feel under gunned with a .357SIG, but, I like having options. :)

1stmarine
September 8, 2011, 12:00 AM
As I said, the key is going long. No compacts here.

Nobody should feel undergunned with anything they feel comfortable shooting even if it is a 44 magnum ...and with fast good placement.

.357 SIG is flat shooting, hard hitting and manageable recoil and that is why it is the choice of many agencies including the secret service.
There are other reasons that is the objective to defeat body armor from
small frames. No critical for the average folks.

As a curiosity some of Secret Service choices.
SIG sauer .357 SIG
H&K MP5
FN 5.7
FN P90
Remington 870
A.I. 308, 7mm REM-MAG

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