Stuck cases, in my wheel gun


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280shooter
August 29, 2011, 09:42 PM
Ok here is the problem...
I have a 357mag, I had a gunsmith work on this a while back. ok more like 15 years ago.I never shot it much, but the problem is. No mater what i shoot out of it. 38 loads. or 357 loads.. I cant get the cases out with out, letting the gun cool down, and then I have to push very hard on the ejector rod, And no, these are not hot loads..I tried factory loads, I loaded some very mild 38 spc,cast, and yet still i have to pound on the ejector rod to get the cases out.
This hand gun had a lot of work done to it.It has a triger job, its been timed locks added , new barrel. ported. you name it ,its been done,,Im think what it needs most maybe,, is traded off on something i can shoot and drop the spent cases out,

any help would help..

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MedWheeler
August 29, 2011, 10:01 PM
Might help to know what gun it actually is.. maybe the cylinder walls have suffered some abuse or neglect over the years (was it someone else's gun before it was yours?) Knowing the make and model might be useful in determining the value of keeping it and having the chambers polished, or sending it off to someone else..

280shooter
August 30, 2011, 12:05 AM
No abuse, this was new,I bought it new/chambers were polished,,
It's a Taurus 689... The hand gun shoot high at every distance, I sent it back.. they sent me targets that was shoot into,, so i took it to a gunsmith, and had them do all this work, and still. its useless to me.

This handgun was never ever abused,, i dout i put more then a few hundred rounds through it,

JohnKSa
August 30, 2011, 12:09 AM
Are there marks, scratches, bulges, dents, or anything else unusual about the ejected cases?

280shooter
August 30, 2011, 12:28 AM
no its smooth,,like i said its been polished,,
the cases dont have dents or scratches...
no bulges,,

Hoppe
August 30, 2011, 12:41 AM
You said it was worked on 15 YO. How long have you had the ejection problem? Have you shot alot of 38 loads? Are the cases discolored?

JohnKSa
August 30, 2011, 12:54 AM
Have the cases ALWAYS stuck in the gun, or did this start (or get noticeably worse) after the gun was worked on?

Some things to try.

Use a Sharpie, or some other marker to mark your chambers on the back of the cylinder. Then, once the gun is hot enough for the rounds to start sticking, fire a single round in each of the chambers to see if all of the chambers have a problem or if the sticking is limited to only some (or maybe only one) of the chambers. If they're all causing the problem then you're sort of out of luck--but if only one or two are sticking then maybe you can examine them (and the fired cases from them) closely to determine what's different about them.

And while you're at the range, look around to see if you can find some fired cases from another .357 revolver to compare to the ones from your revolver. If they're sticking as badly as you describe, I feel fairly certain that there's some sort of evidence on the cases that could help solve the mystery.

280shooter
August 30, 2011, 12:56 AM
right after I got it back from the gunsmiths.. no i didnt shoot many 38s out of it. I only loaded some, as a test to see if they would stick. And they do.Like i said I just dont shoot this much, I was never happy with it, but after dumping all this money in it.
it shoots well being ported.. and it has a 3 in barrle. on it. not much of the taurus left to it.. I just dont want to put any more money in iit.
it has 3 ports on top of the barrle.I cant thik of the barrle company. right off hand,,

osprey176
August 30, 2011, 12:59 AM
You wouldn't happen to have oil in the cylinder?I've seen the same result with a Speed 6 that had been "cleaned" with a liberal amount of WD 40.The cylinder was wiped clean,and the weapon then functioned correctly.

JohnKSa
August 30, 2011, 01:04 AM
right after I got it back from the gunsmiths..If this started or got noticeably worse after the gunsmith polished the chambers then it sounds to me like he overdid the polishing and also didn't polish the entire chambers uniformly.

If he polished too much and didn't get it uniform, he may have enlarged the chambers so that they have a slight bulge in the middle. That would allow the cases to over-expand in the middle when fired. That bulge would then have to be forced past the narrower chamber mouths during the ejection process which might be quite difficult.

If that's the problem, you have a couple of options:

1. Send it back to the factory to have a new cylinder fitted.
2. As a shot in the dark, you could try to find a good gunsmith and have him look it over. I suppose it's possible that if the chambers aren't too badly messed up a good smith might be able to ream them out carefully to reshape them. They'd be a little oversize, of course, but maybe not enough to cause problems.

280shooter
August 30, 2011, 01:33 AM
I looked up my loads in the 38, its 158 gr hard cast, 3.5 gr. bullseye, im going to reload with some other kind of powder, then i'll see whats up..I micked the spent cases,they seem all the same, Im going to load the gun, shoot, one time, and see if i can eject it, then shoot the next one, try it again and so on,,,

280shooter
August 30, 2011, 01:35 AM
the cylinders are dry.. like i said I will go back out to the range, and give it a nother try..

MrBorland
August 30, 2011, 01:49 AM
JohnKSa gave good advice. Bulged (or oval-ized) chambers are a distinct possibility, and can be diagnosed using spent cases from another gun. Or your spent cases in another gun.

I had a friend who bought a "tuned" 625 which he found had a tough time ejecting spent cases. Put his spent cases in my gun, and they were hard to eject as well. But put my spent cases in his gun, and they ejected fine. Voilá. It narrowed the problem to the shape of his chambers. Careful measurement of the brass showed that the chambers were oval-ized. Too much metal removed at certain places. A new cylinder was the only fix.

280shooter
August 30, 2011, 02:45 PM
went back to the range,Took all sorts of ammo,, from 38 spl, to 357 plus P.
Not one issue,, But I did how ever run dry rags in the cylinders, untill nothing was on the rag but Air.,So they all doped out , even the + P came out with a little more push, But not like they were,, Before I had to all but take a hammer to the ejector rod to move them... So the next time, I take this out,, I'll make sure I run dry patches, through the cylinders,,,This is a stainless. hand gun.

thanks for all the help.. I did mic the spents cases,, and found nothing out of spec,.so I guess they must of had a thin film of oil on the walls..And I never use WD 40 on my guns,,,

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