Need some advice on 9mm powder


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natgas
August 30, 2011, 08:07 PM
I have been loading both 9 and 45 for about 6-7 months; I have stockpiled about 10,000 rounds in total but have loaded nothing but Clays for both on advice from my LGS. I load for mostly 1911's but also a glock 19 and an XDm.

I'm interested in trying another powder and would like some good advice for what I might try. I'm planning on a trip to Powder Valley next week and would appreciate any advice.

Thanks

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Walkalong
August 30, 2011, 08:12 PM
Good news is the 9MM works well with many powders. N320, N330, N340, W-231, WSF, AA #5, HS-6, Silhouette, Unique, Universal Clays, True Blue, Power Pistol.....

What power level?

natgas
August 30, 2011, 09:14 PM
Nothing more than putting holes in paper and hitting steel at the range. I just want to know if there's something more accurate out there

cfullgraf
August 30, 2011, 09:19 PM
Everyone has their favorite powder and each favorite is more accurate than any one else's favorite.

The stock answer is you need to determine what works best in your handgun and situation.

Personally, I like True Blue and Unique in my 9x19s.

zxcvbob
August 30, 2011, 09:20 PM
Bullseye is very good in 9mm. If you want more oomph, use WSF or Power Pistol. The top performer is AA#7, but that one takes a *lot* of powder. All four measure wonderfully

hvychev77
August 30, 2011, 09:22 PM
i've been using w231 for a while now and i like it a lot. i haven't had much experience with a lot of other powders but, it seems to be a mainstay for a lot of reloaders. i think it shoots fairly clean and for me, since i'm a newbie to reloading, it fills the case up so it's obvious if you've overcharged a case.

Cherokee
August 30, 2011, 10:19 PM
Power Pistol, HS6, AA5, 231 all work fine in 9mm. Try several to find the one your gun likes with the bullets you use.

armoredman
August 30, 2011, 10:56 PM
I like AA#7, but AA#2 uses far less powder per shot, especially for a plinking load, especially for cast lead, if that's your main goal.

rbernie
August 30, 2011, 11:06 PM
Unique or Red Dot work OK in both chamberings and are my standard 'go-to' pistol powders; neither powder will give top velocities but both will work well and be reasonably economical for range loads.

oldreloader
August 30, 2011, 11:18 PM
I like Accurate #5 & #7, and HP 38 for both. Not that they are better, just my preference.

UpTheIrons
August 30, 2011, 11:26 PM
I use HP-38 (aka W-231) for both .45 and 9mm and have had good-to-very-good accuracy in both calibers.

J_McLeod
August 30, 2011, 11:52 PM
I like Win 231/HP-38 the best. HS-6 is also good. It's been very accurate with MBC 147gr for me.

natgas
August 31, 2011, 12:22 AM
Thanks for all the input; I might be making a trip to Powder Valley next week to check out some different powders as well as picking up primers and some bullets.

zxcvbob
August 31, 2011, 12:31 AM
Thanks for all the input; I might be making a trip to Powder Valley next week to check out some different powders as well as picking up primers and some bullets.Get a jug of Alliant Promo while you're there. It's usable in anything (use Red Dot load data, by weight), it's cheap, and gives great accuracy. 8 pounds might be a lifetime supply though, even if you use it a lot -- charge weights are really low, but it's a bulky powder so it fills the cases pretty well.

gamestalker
August 31, 2011, 01:03 AM
I don't load 45 ACP but for the 9's and .40's I like HS6 and Longshot. Of the two, each has it's place according to the bullet weight I'm working with. It seems that Longshot is a better performer for the 124 gr. and up. And HS6 is my prefered powder for 90 gr. - 115 gr. bullets. Both are high performance powders that I feel are better suited for S.D., rather than paper punching. But in this aspect, I target practice with the same loads I carry.

Clark
August 31, 2011, 01:31 AM
I have experimented with;
Red Dot
Bullseye
Herter's 164
SR7625
Unique
AA#5
Power Pistol
HS-6
Blue Dot
2400
3N37
800-X
AA#7
N105
Long Shot
STEEL
Enforcer
AA#9
N110
H110
W296
LIL'GUN

3N37, HS6, and AA#5 have the speed-density product to get the average 9mm pistol [barrel with case support at .19" from breech] to get a case bulge, in a work up, with any brand 9mm brass [.16" web].

Power Pistol can make the most power.

zxcvbob
August 31, 2011, 01:39 AM
I've been intrigued by STEEL since it came out, mostly for use in magnum revolver cartridges. But I haven't tried it because I suspect it measures about like cornflakes. (Is that about right?) Does it perform well, or is it too "peaky" (or have other Blue Dot-like bad habits)

AlliedArmory
August 31, 2011, 04:47 AM
W231/HP-38 is my personal fav.

sixgunner455
August 31, 2011, 05:12 AM
I've been using Bullseye. It works very well, and uses very small charge weights, so is cost-effective.

ColtPythonElite
August 31, 2011, 09:22 AM
For lead in both calibers, I would use Unique. For plated or jacketed, I would use Power Pistol.

Blue68f100
August 31, 2011, 10:30 AM
The powder is the cheapest component in the reloading process, so saving $0.003 per round is mute point.

I like WST for the 45 and WSF for the 9mm. I have also used 231 for both. The WST is the best I have used in a 45. It produces a softer recoil and super clean burning besides being a high loft powder. These are a very fine ball powder and meter nicely. I use the WSF for bullets 124gr and 147gr it too produces a very soft recoil, for 115gr I use the 231.

I do not like ultra fast bring powders with high density (small vol/weight). With WSF & WST they fill the case nicely and a double charge will flow over. With the ultra fast burn powders you have a greater deviation when it comes to loads. And some are very sensitive to setback and have a narrow range to work in. A double charge is hard to detect since you can normally have 4 charges before it over fill the case.

Give the WST a try for the 45 and you may never go back.

squarles67
August 31, 2011, 11:13 AM
AA#5 works best in my CZ75 and HP38 is a close second

MickKennedy29
August 31, 2011, 02:57 PM
All of these suggestions are great, and you would be fine going with any of them. My 2 cents would be Longshot, American Select, N330, or HP-38 for 9mm. It all depends on what your priorities are. If you want speed go with slow burning like Longshot, if you want soft shooting try HP-38, and if you want accuracy then it depends on what works best with your guns. For me, my guns shoot straighter than I can no matter what powder I use so it doesn't matter much. I just like trying different powders; I have tried 15+ powders for 9mm. I do not load for 45ACP.

natgas
August 31, 2011, 04:00 PM
Thanks again for the suggestions. Like some of you, my guns shoot better than me; I'm not so much concerned with recoil or soft shooting as much as I am accuracy (although soft shooting is a plus).

I may try several different ones to see which I like best

Walkalong
August 31, 2011, 08:31 PM
Soft shooting and accurate? N320 or N330 with a 115 or 124/5 Gr bullet.

1SOW
August 31, 2011, 11:38 PM
For 9mm soft-shooting target/comp loads, Vihtavuori n320 is the go-to powder for many competitors using 124gr-147gr bullets.
4.0 grs (1/2 full case) under a 124/125gr bullet gives about 1050'-1060'/sec.
accurate
soft recoil/flip
cool burning
low/no flash
clean
not temp sensitive (in S.TX temp ranges: 20-110+degs)
not positional
meters very well
single base powder
Expensive (until you figure out the per cartridge load requirement)

Fishslayer
September 1, 2011, 04:14 AM
I've always used Bullseye or Green Dot in 9mm.

Tried some W231 loads with 125gr & 147gr Bear Creek. Good accuracy and leading seemed less than with the other powders. I will be pursuing these further. ;)

Green Dot is a very bulky powder & would be well suited to somebody who was concerned with double charging. A four-ish grain charge fills the case nicely.

Clark
September 1, 2011, 05:06 PM
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zxcvbob
I've been intrigued by STEEL since it came out, mostly for use in magnum revolver cartridges. But I haven't tried it because I suspect it measures about like cornflakes. (Is that about right?) Does it perform well, or is it too "peaky" (or have other Blue Dot-like bad habits)

From my 10mm notes,
"200 gr.
..
Steel 200 gr. .658, WLP, 14 gr., 1.3", case full, powder could be
compressed more, Barsto, ok, [no Alliant data] .."

I was simply working up loads from nothing, looking for how much power I could get.
Steel was too bulky for 10mm to get max power or pressure, which means it is too bulky for ~ half of pistol cartridges, but not the other half.

Quickload has no library data, there is no published data, and I have no chrono data. I simply went on recoil and reading the brass.

coebam
September 1, 2011, 05:29 PM
+1 for Bulls Eye. Works perfect in .45acp and 9mm.

BYJO4
September 1, 2011, 07:31 PM
My reloads are for target/range use. I use Bullseye for 9MM, 357 Mag, and 45 ACP. It produces accurate loads and drops consistently from my powder measure.

Tom609
September 1, 2011, 09:32 PM
Same here...Bullseye.

tekarra
September 2, 2011, 09:09 PM
I am partial to 700X. Have used a lot of it over the years.

VaGunNut
September 2, 2011, 10:03 PM
Ive always have good results with power pistol. I keep 4 lb containers of this on hand because it has so many applications with the majority of handgun cartridges.

Strykervet
September 2, 2011, 10:15 PM
I like Viht 3N37 the best for 9mm. I only use 9mm for range stuff, so I tend to load lighter loads. Good clean powder with low flash. Accurate loads too. I use a low charge, just a little over starting, with 115gr. Rainier plated bullets for target loads. Just enough to cycle my Glock 17L with a 15lb spring. Shoots one ragged hole at closer ranges, and nice groups farther out. Best load I have for accuracy, better than the Hornady XTP with the same powder even.

Redneck with a 40
September 2, 2011, 10:38 PM
I'm about to load a batch of 115 gr 9mm with Longshot, which is a good powder for the application. I'm running 5.3 grains at 1.130" OAL.

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