(AK) drunken villager with shotgun threatens unarmed Village safety officer


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spacemanspiff
January 24, 2004, 02:26 PM
http://www.adn.com/alaska/story/4663181p-4618251c.html

Last week in Kotlik, a drunken man pointed a 20-gauge shotgun at 40-year-old Rudy Hootch and threatened to kill him, Alaska State Troopers said.

It was a first for Hootch, one of the village's police officers. It was Jan. 17 and Hootch was responding to a domestic violence call.

"He pulled that thing on me with no warning," Hootch recalled in a telephone interview from his home Friday. "I was scared. I didn't know what would happen. (I thought) I may be alive or in the hospital or in a coffin."

Like many village peace officers in rural Alaska, Hootch does not carry a firearm. "Only thing we carry is cuffs and a baton," he said.

Nor did he have much training to deal with the situation he found himself in. "We sure would like to have a training for this type of thing," he said. "But every time we go for a training it's always being canceled or something."

Hootch said he handled the situation the best he knew how. "I just tried to stay calm and ask him what he's doing with that shotgun," he said. "I tried to confront him twice to put the weapon down but he didn't."

Hootch backed off the property and called troopers in St. Marys. Troopers arrived about two hours later and arrested Darrick Teeluk, 19, after a short foot chase. Troopers say Teeluk struck his pregnant girlfriend in the face and also tried to strangle her with his hands. The 20-gauge shotgun was found with 12-gauge ammunition jammed in it, they said.

Teeluk was charged with third-degree assault, fourth-degree misconduct involving weapons, fourth-degree domestic violence assault and minor consuming alcohol. He was transported to a jail in Bethel with his bail set at $10,000.

Hootch, who started working as a village police officer about five months ago after holding the post off and on over the years, said the job can be difficult, both because of the situations you can find yourself in and because you often know the people involved and sometimes they get mad at you, especially if they're drinking, he said. Kotlik has about 600 people.

Hootch said he likes to be able to help his community but hopes to get some more training soon. He did not express plans to find another line of work, despite the scare last week.

"It's the only job I can find," he said.

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WonderNine
January 24, 2004, 02:32 PM
There's too much idiocy going on with ALL of the people mentioned in this article that I don't even know where to begin...:uhoh:

Carlos
January 24, 2004, 03:02 PM
Then Don't. :rolleyes:

Absolutely unbelievable that an officer up in "ALASKA OF ALL PLACES" would not be armed while on patrol.

WonderNine
January 24, 2004, 03:04 PM
Then Don't.

Ok.

TechBrute
January 24, 2004, 03:11 PM
Then Don't.:rolleyes: Who pissed in your cornflakes, anyway?

Carlos
January 24, 2004, 03:15 PM
Apologies, just my before-coffee, non-morning person syndrome kicking in to answer a non-answer or non-opinion.

The thing that pisses me off is the fact of officers not carrying the tools they need to protect their lives and the lives of the citizenry.

jsalcedo
January 24, 2004, 03:42 PM
The thing that gets me is unlicensed open carry is ok in Alaska
so why the heck is a law officer unarmed?

Is he a felon? Can't afford a gun? Thinks he is in Mayberry?

TechBrute
January 24, 2004, 03:53 PM
Thinks he is in Mayberry?

Ok, that was funny. I think that's the issue, although I couldn't have put it as well as you did. :D

Standing Wolf
January 24, 2004, 04:39 PM
Only thing we carry is cuffs and a baton...

I think that might be a clue. Too bad I'm not a big city detective.

Mark Tyson
January 24, 2004, 04:59 PM
Thinks he is in Mayberry?

This might surprise you, but Andy and Barney had a whole rack of guns in the station.

So he's a village police officer ... I'm assuming that that's a regular, uniformed peace officer with powers of arrest and everything. I can't believe he's unarmed.

WonderNine
January 24, 2004, 05:53 PM
Hehe, I can't remember did Barney carry an unloaded revolver or was it no gun at all?

Stinkyshoe
January 24, 2004, 06:02 PM
W9
I believe it was an unloaded revolver with one bullet in the left front shirt pocket. :D


I cannot understand why this police officer wouldn't atleast be carrying a gun for protection against four legged critters. I guess that's his choice, but maybe he will wake up now.

BluesBear
January 24, 2004, 07:35 PM
"It's the only job I can find," he said. Here's a news flash for ya Sparky... and you can quote me on this...

Being dead ain't a job, it's a career!

7.62FullMetalJacket
January 24, 2004, 07:44 PM
TBO,

Have you been reincarnated?



Never bring a baton to a gunfight

Kodiak AK
January 25, 2004, 07:19 AM
He isn't carrying because as far as I know they are not alowed to .
When I looked into the job that was one of the deal breakers for me .
They also can not perform an arrest except as a citizen arrest which is fround upon . Basicly what they do is detain sometimes , but usually it is just call the troopers and wait for them to fly in and do something about it .

Werewolf
January 25, 2004, 11:50 AM
He isn't carrying because as far as I know they are not alowed to .
When I looked into the job that was one of the deal breakers for me .
They also can not perform an arrest except as a citizen arrest which is fround upon . Basicly what they do is detain sometimes , but usually it is just call the troopers and wait for them to fly in and do something about it .

Based on the above what the heck is the point of even having a "Village Policeman"? If they're being paid seems pretty much like a waste of tax dollars to me - afterall they can't do anything a regular citizen can do and the citizen can at least do it while armed...

Bunabayashi
January 25, 2004, 12:21 PM
Absolutely unbelievable that an officer up in "ALASKA OF ALL PLACES" would not be armed while on patrol.

Many Native communities (Athabaskan and Eskimo) forbid the police that patrol the community from carrying firearms.

Gabby Hayes
January 25, 2004, 12:32 PM
He was transported to a jail in Bethel with his bail set at $10,000. Isn't Bethel where Pat (aka 355sigfan) lives? Maybe he'll stop by and give us the scoop on exactly what the duties of a "village police officer" entail.

Slimjim
January 25, 2004, 12:42 PM
The 20-gauge shotgun was found with 12-gauge ammunition jammed in it, they said.

Anyone else find this funny?

Kodiak AK
January 25, 2004, 07:38 PM
Isn't Bethel where Pat (aka 355sigfan) lives? Maybe he'll stop by and give us the scoop on exactly what the duties of a "village police officer" entail.

http://www.avcp.org/services/VPSO.html

Law Enforcement Patrol on foot and enforce state laws and local ordinances.
Investigate misdemeanor crimes and traffic violations.
Assist Troopers during felony investigations.
Complete required Police Reports. Transport Prisoners.
Use crime prevention techniques.
Fire Protection and Prevention Maintain fire equipment. Conduct fire drills in schools. Conduct fire department meetings.
Train volunteer fire fighters in fire fighting techniques.
Conduct fire-prevention surveys.
Search and Rescue (SAR) . Organize a search and rescue team or act as liaison for the Department of Public Safety (DPS in the community.
Train SAR team members
Maintain a list of available SAR equipment and supplies on hand.
Direct SAR's by coordination with the Alaska State Troopers.
General Public Safety Assist community health aides in emergency medical situations.
Provide public safety information to schools and the public.
Provide dog control and vaccinate for rabies when trained to do so.
Water and snowmachine safety.

Drug Abuse Resistance Education (DARE)

Coordinate with the school and teach a seventeen (17) week program to 5th and 6th grade. Teach 7th and 8th grade; Teach High School; Teach and train Parents.

In the latter part of Fiscal Year 2001, AVCP, Inc. and eight other native non-profits entered into an agreement through the Department of Public Safety, Division of Alaska State Troopers, with the Department of Corrections (DOC), for VPSO's to perform Probation and Parole Supervision Duties.

Through the Department of Corrections grant, VPSO's began performing Probation and Parole Supervision duties. Probation and Parole Supervision duties they previously performed without training, equipment, or compensation. These duties now include:

Probation and Parole Supervision Make personal contact with the offender at least twice per month or as requested. Obtain urine samples from offenders using the UA (Urinalysis) test cups, record the results, immediately provide results to the District Probation Office telephonically, and preserve the results for additional testing if requested.

Immediately report violations of conditions of Probation/Parole to the Supervisor of the Bethel Probation Office.

Document contact with Probation/Parolees. Provide updated photos of Sex Offender's to the District Probation Officers on an annual Basis, or a physical change in the offender's appearance.

Cosmoline
January 25, 2004, 10:52 PM
In the bush, what we would consider law enforcement is often carried out the old fashioned way, with no involvement of LEO's. VPSO's are just there to give the image of LEO's. They aren't trained or supervised sufficiently to allow them to be armed officers.

See, there's a big difference between the state arming a person and a person arming himself. It's the state's way of saying this person can kill on our behalf. That's very different from me or some other schmo carrying a firearm. No state has given me a badge. I don't get to arrest anyone.

Frankly the longer I live in Alaska the more I question the need for any LEO's. I'd rather do things myself. All the officers do is give out enormous tickets to fund local government. If you actually have a life-or-death emergency, expect them to show up in a few hours if at all.

355sigfan
January 25, 2004, 11:39 PM
Guys there are more to this than you know. There are several types of law enforcement officers in Alaska. First there is the State Troopers and municipal officers. I lump them together because they are certified officers who have been to an academy and though a FTO program.

After that you have VPSO's these are officers trained by the Troopers in a separate VPSO academy. They have some hiring standards but not many. They are not armed.

The last type of law enforcement is Village Police Officers and Tribal Police Officers. Before I explain this last group let me give some background. In Alaska police can work up to 1 year without being certified. Village Police Officers use this exemption. They are not trained, some are criminals themselves. They simple took a $10 an hour job because their community needed them or they need the money. There are very few jobs available in the village.

To be quite honest I would not want 99% of the VPO's armed and I would only trust about 20% of the VPSO's with firearms. These places deserve armed law enforcement but not at the cost of reduced standards. It’s sad but I have arrested my share of VPO's and VPSO's because they came to town got drunk and did something stupid. The level of professionalism is simply not there.

Now there are a few who are civic minded and honestly took the job because they care about the place they live in. This group like the rest of them is asked to do a job with no training that is often dangerous.

What needs to happen is the State needs to hire more Troopers and re apportion the ones it has so the rural areas receive more coverage. The problem is no one wants to live in a village. Heck I don't blame them I don't even like to work case overnight in one. The lacks of running water and of things to occupy yourself when you’re not working are big drawbacks. Villages are very much like Reservations down south.

SNIPFrankly the longer I live in Alaska the more I question the need for any LEO's. I'd rather do things myself. All the officers do is give out enormous tickets to fund local government.
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I take offense to that. We give out tickets because you broke the law. If you don't want to fund local goverment this way stop breaking the law its simple. And I would hate to live in a world where people were allowed to solve their own legal matters. Thats called anarchy. In such a world only the strong not the rightious survive. Judging from your post I have to ask do you live in Big Lake or North Pole? The reason I ask is I have met several people from those areas with simular views.

Pat

Binkus
January 26, 2004, 02:53 AM
Thats a suprise to me, growing up in Alaska with my dad a state trooper from there (now retired) I was shocked to hear that he was unarmed. The only thing I could emagine was that its just some sort of neighborhood watch program with nor real concetion to law enforcement. Definatly not I job I would take if I couldnt cary, espically up in some of those ereas.

Binkus
January 26, 2004, 03:03 AM
Thanks for the insight 355 its been several years since I left Alaska (lived there in my child hood) my dad ended up retireing as a state troopers, the majorty of his work that I rember was on the fish and wildlife side though. He got some interesting stories working the natives, poaching and ocoashinal bear problems. Hopefully I can get back up there for some hunting in the next couple of years.

Wildalaska
January 26, 2004, 03:28 AM
What 355 said...

WilddifferentworldhereAlaska

jimpeel
January 26, 2004, 03:49 AM
The 20-gauge shotgun was found with 12-gauge ammunition jammed in it, they said.I found that interesting, if not impossible.

I learned the dangers of mixing shotgun ammolong ago. A smaller gauge shell, when dropped into the chamber of a larger bore shotggun will drop through the chamber and home in the barrel. You may then place the correct size shotshell into the chamber behind it. If the firearm is discharged in this condition, you are at risk of life and limb, if not your sight, as the shotgun explodes in your hands.

This is a common danger with shotguns and is one of the first lessons every shotgunner learns.

Cosmoline
January 26, 2004, 01:38 PM
I take offense to that. We give out tickets because you broke the law. If you don't want to fund local goverment this way stop breaking the law its simple. And I would hate to live in a world where people were allowed to solve their own legal matters. Thats called anarchy. In such a world only the strong not the rightious survive. Judging from your post I have to ask do you live in Big Lake or North Pole? The reason I ask is I have met several people from those areas with simular views.

:D Actually I live in Willow but it's close enough to Big Lake. I wonder what difference it would actually make if there were no troopers in the Mat-Su. Personally it would make no difference to me or my neighbors. We're off grid, and to my knowledge no trooper would even be able to find us even if someone could get through to 911. But besides that why on Earth would we want them back there? They'd just start arresting people and sticking their noses into other folks' business. No good could possibly come of it.

But we actually do really well with no police. There is very little crime, and I've often left my compound for days at a time with no security in place. So who needs them? If that's anarchy I kind of like it.

:neener:

355sigfan
January 26, 2004, 02:00 PM
So you live in one of the largest indoor marijuana producing areas of the world and your saying there is no crime.
Pat

spacemanspiff
January 26, 2004, 02:03 PM
i have family that lives in a village off kodiak, and they have never hired a local person to be VPSO. they run them off whenever a new one shows up. right now, i dont think they have one (ouzinkie is the name of the village).

troopers rarely will show up for anything, they say they will, but then dont.

village residents also dont look at 'crimes' the way us cityfolk do. there is a lot of family 'clans' that have rivalrys and if crap happens between them, it either isnt reported or not acted upon. mob mentality is the rule. if you dont have enough with you to ensure your side will win, nothing will happen, at that particular time.

domestic violence is given a fair pass, the women wont complain about it, and the men look the other way, even when it happens to their family members. spousal abuse is the norm.

rape is a little different, but not much. statutory rape gets more attention that plain ol rape. young girls are actually proud of getting an older guy to sleep with them. they brag about it until someone in their family gets upset over it and goes to beat the crap out of the old pervert.
however, since it is often linked to the heavy use of alcohol, the rapist often doesnt remember it happening.

there is a strict policy of 'dont ask dont tell'.

Cosmoline
January 26, 2004, 02:57 PM
So you live in one of the largest indoor marijuana producing areas of the world and your saying there is no crime.

I'm saying what happens there is nobody's business :D

355sigfan
January 26, 2004, 03:44 PM
I'm saying what happens there is nobody's business
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Well if they are living in the State breaking they law its all of our buisness. If they don't like it they can buy their own island outside of the USA and make their own laws. Until then what they do with regards to the law is my buisness and everyones in the state.
Pat

Cosmoline
January 26, 2004, 04:15 PM
But I *did* buy my own island! It's the Cosmo Compound. There are rules at the compound, but no laws.

355sigfan
January 26, 2004, 04:23 PM
But I *did* buy my own island! It's the Cosmo Compound. There are rules at the compound, but no laws.

END

Ok ya got me. That was funny. I thought you might be serious. I have met plenty of folks who were.
Pat:D

Cosmoline
January 26, 2004, 05:35 PM
Truth be told my real gripe is with the SIZE of traffic tickets. $100 for plates that expired a month ago? $150 for having your front bumper torn off by a snow berm that was the city's own fricking fault? Raising revenues via citations is getting out of hand, and I'm sure the LEO's don't like it any more than I do.

gunsmith
January 26, 2004, 06:37 PM
Marijuana is a stupid drug and the addicts who smoke
it are often made quite stupid as a result.
If they choose to stay home and be stupid then thats their own
problem and big brother should stay the heck out of the lives
of the stupid pot heads.
If they drive and crash into something then they should be charged,
Just like that other stupid addicts fave, alcohol.

The fines levied by the state are getting to be too huge.
i.e 275$ for parking in a bus zone (even if the bus doesn't run on the day you park)

An 18 year old girl new to San Francisco got her car towed
at 12 midnight while she was watching a movie at the metreon movie theatre,the nazi dept of parking tows cars at midnight because at rush
hour there is not enough room.
The poor girl from a small Oregon town trusted the vagrant who told her her car was "around the corner"... she was raped and robbed !
Plus she had to pay the dang fine and pay to get her car back!
SF policy ( ) her and ( ) her!

Excessive bail shall not be required,nor excessive fines imposed,nor cruel and unusual punishment inflictedI wish "we the people" had an amendment like that we could count on!
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/news/012204ap_nw_dpt_bust.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/01/12/BAGHC485O51.DTL

355sigfan
January 26, 2004, 08:05 PM
The poor girl from a small Oregon town trusted the vagrant who told her her car was "around the corner"... she was raped and robbed !
Plus she had to pay the dang fine and pay to get her car back!
END

This is the parking polices fault how?

You can't blame the actions of a sexual predator on a local meter maid sorry. I aint buying it.
Pat

Kodiak AK
January 26, 2004, 09:15 PM
Ouzinkie eh?I have been there a few times when I worked for Pen Air .
Karluk has a much worse rep than Ouzinkie.:o

gunsmith
January 27, 2004, 12:29 AM
it's not the cops fault,he was just implementing SF policy.
SF policy is wrong,greedy etc.
Also the parking nazi's here are just wanna be cops
who couldn't get on the PD because they would never pass the psych test.
They are to anal retentive.
The Deputy Director just got busted for crack,his asst just got busted for corruption. If you obey the parking law here in Frisco you get a ticket anyway,they know most folks won't fight it because of all the red tape.
The tow company has been busted for stealing cars...

And why can't the local meter maid just give the obvious movie goer a break????

My Brother is a cop in NY and he gives breaks all the time to nurses,emt's
other cops and citizens who are not being jerks. ie the car with out of state plates thats not in anybodys way wont get a ticket/towed
untill it is in some ones way.

Cops do not have to help the local bureaucrat buy their crack!
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/news/012204ap_nw_dpt_bust.html

BluesBear
January 27, 2004, 12:45 AM
So please explain to all of us how a personal vendetta against San Franscisco parking enforcement is gun related?
:scrutiny:
I feel this is a reasonable request since we are the ones who have to sift through this waste of bandwidth.

7.62FullMetalJacket
January 27, 2004, 12:48 AM
BB. Back in the old west there was a lot of travel between Alaska and San Francisco :rolleyes:

BluesBear
January 27, 2004, 01:02 AM
Yeah I know, I live one block off of Highway 99 which is the old wagon road that they traveled on.

gunsmith
January 27, 2004, 09:03 PM
it's not just a vendetta against SF parking nazis but all parking nazis
in the free world:neener:

and it was "thread related" so it is as gun related as this thread is:evil:

Also you did not define "is":p

jimpeel
January 28, 2004, 01:12 AM
I still wanna know how he got that 12 ga shell in a 20 ga shotgun!

Kodiak AK
January 28, 2004, 01:24 AM
I'll take a stab that it had something to do with that first sentance.

Last week in Kotlik, a drunken man pointed a 20-gauge shotgun at 40-year-old Rudy Hootch and threatened to kill him, Alaska State Troopers said.
:neener:

jimpeel
January 28, 2004, 02:29 AM
I'm talking physics, not chemistry. I don't care how drunk you are the chamber of a shotgun, two full sizes smaller than the shell being inserted, will not accomodate that shell. We are talking about having to compress a plastic tube, filled with lead pellets and plastic wadding, LINEARLY about its periphery. Then the same thing would have to be done with the brass base. We are talking compression of about .1".

The only way one could get a 12ga shell into a 20ga shotgun is if the shell was exactly that -- a shell, or "hull" in firearms parlance. That still leaves the brass base to be hammered in with -- well -- a hammer.

BluesBear
January 28, 2004, 02:42 AM
The 20-gauge shotgun was found with 12-gauge ammunition jammed in it, they said. Who said anything about the chamber being involved?

Quite possibly it was a 12 gauge round stuck in either the magazine loading port or in the ejection port. Which if you'll check most 20 gauge pump or semi-auto shotguns would be very easy to do.
Getting a loaded 12 gauge shell lodged would is simple (gross motor skill), removing it would be more difficult (fine motor skill).

TimRB
January 28, 2004, 09:58 AM
Another possibility is that this is another case of a clueless reporter who got things backwards. It is, of course, quite easy to drop a 20GA shell into a 12GA shotgun.

Tim

jimpeel
January 28, 2004, 01:16 PM
Another possibility is that this is another case of a clueless reporter who got things backwards. It is, of course, quite easy to drop a 20GA shell into a 12GA shotgun.BINGO!

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