22lr SP101...Where are they already?????


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Wishoot
August 31, 2011, 05:47 PM
When are these things going to hit the market already? I thought Ruger said these would be out by August 2011. I went to Rugers website and couldn't find anything pertaining to this gun.

I'm getting worried that it may never come out.

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elano
August 31, 2011, 07:06 PM
Same here, I'm tired of waiting. I want one already.

22-rimfire
August 31, 2011, 08:02 PM
That's the danger of a premature announcement.

minutemen1776
August 31, 2011, 10:14 PM
Any idea what configuration(s) may be available? I'd love a fixed-sight 3-incher in .22 Long Rifle.

clang
September 1, 2011, 12:28 AM
I have one in my safe - but I bought it about 15 years ago...

Dr_B
September 1, 2011, 12:39 AM
Yeah, really, where is that thing?

jamesjo
September 1, 2011, 03:24 AM
Classic Ruger,
I have seen announcements about a release, and waited to see it actually available for a LONG time before it was ever available.
I contacted Customer service multiple times over an almost 2 year period for a rifle listed in the catalog, and it never was released. ( the 10/22 model in .17 caliber) :mad:

Wishoot
September 1, 2011, 12:08 PM
.17 10/22 would be interesting. Not sure if there would be a huge demand though.

DPris
September 1, 2011, 12:38 PM
It'll be announced shortly. They're in production.
It wasn't Ruger who made the premature announcement, it was Guns & Ammo magazine.
Four-inch adjustable sight 8-shot version.
Denis

jamesjo
September 1, 2011, 02:38 PM
Yes the 10/ 22 in 17 HMR would have been great, wanted one to go along with my 10/22 magnum.
Since they had so many problems with that model they pulled it, which is why they decided to not release the 17.
Just a great idea that never came to pass.

Wishoot
September 1, 2011, 02:38 PM
It'll be announced shortly. They're in production.
It wasn't Ruger who made the premature announcement, it was Guns & Ammo magazine.
Four-inch adjustable sight 8-shot version.
Denis
Man I really hope your right. I've been itching to get one of these since they were first re-introduced.

ColtPythonElite
September 1, 2011, 02:44 PM
I've read Ruger's official stance on the leak of info on the SP in .22....I still guess they had a hand in the leak to add a little foreplay to the masses. They probably will trickle out the SP's over a course of months to keep the prices high. That seems to be standard fare with new models from Ruger these days.

DPris
September 1, 2011, 03:04 PM
The gun is real, I have one, but you'll have to wait till the official announcement for more details. They're waiting till more are in the pipeline before putting it on the website.
Ruger was not happy about the premature G&A piece.
Since they've been very sticky about no announcement till product is actually ready to ship for quite a while now, I have no reason to doubt them when they say G&A was not supposed to run the article yet.
Denis

Wishoot
September 1, 2011, 03:43 PM
The gun is real, I have one, but you'll have to wait till the official announcement for more details. They're waiting till more are in the pipeline before putting it on the website.
Ruger was not happy about the premature G&A piece.
Since they've been very sticky about no announcement till product is actually ready to ship for quite a while now, I have no reason to doubt them when they say G&A was not supposed to run the article yet.
Denis
No way are you getting off that easy Denis. :evil:

What are your impressions of the gun? Is it similar, or exactly like the earlier release?

DPris
September 1, 2011, 03:57 PM
I'm holding off more commentary till Ruger goes official, but basically what G&A pictured & what I said above.
Half-lug barrel, fiber-optic front sight. Much nicer than earlier versions.
I believe somebody said Mike Fifer (Ruger CEO) was overheard on a talk show saying it's just about out, so should be any day now.

I like it. :)
Denis

Chuck Dye
September 1, 2011, 05:55 PM
I had money set aside for an XGI, the .308/.243 big brother to the Mini-14. That was 26 years ago. (Patent entanglements killed that one.)

DPris
September 1, 2011, 06:01 PM
I was waiting for an XGI myself. That was a huge disappointment.
It wasn't patent entanglements, it was an unworkable design. I've talked to one of the engineers that worked for Ruger at the time. They tried & tried, finally pulled the plug on it.
Denis

therainmaker
September 1, 2011, 10:53 PM
I can't wait. I've been wanting one of these for a few years.

22-rimfire
September 1, 2011, 11:04 PM
DPris... I have one question... Do you want to keep your sample that was shipped to you or return it to Ruger after your testing is complete?

DPris
September 1, 2011, 11:24 PM
It.....will not be going back. :)

Previous incarnations of the SP in .22 were clunky guns, in my opinion, with that full-length underlug, needlessly heavy, and had inadequate sights with only windage adjustments. They also came with oogly grips.
I had zero interest.
No longer the case with the new one.
Denis

sloman
September 2, 2011, 12:48 AM
DPris, please expound!

DPris
September 2, 2011, 02:36 AM
Hang on till the announcement's made. :)
Denis

oldfool
September 2, 2011, 06:05 AM
PICTURES HERE

http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=120970&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15&sid=633991905a1415735de4c66e75782880

I duuno, I think I am going to pass on this one, it's not a great match up as a true clone practice companion for a 3" SP101 5-shot centerfire

Maybe I just already have too many others, including the 4" S&W kit guns
but well >$500 street price ($645 MSRP) for a 4" rimfire of that size and 30 oz weight, I would be a heckuva lot more tempted if it was in 22 WMR

and poster DPris is not commenting on the DA trigger, so I am in no hurry to make final judgement

PS
strikes me as mighty odd that Ruger STILL has no announcement article yet on their own website (now September), for a gun which was supposed to come out in maybe August, and which (however wrongly) had a published article with pictures and whatnot that look mighty like they were composed with direct assistance of Ruger sales people. They apparently had >1000 guns produced as per s/n in pictures, back when G&A jumped the gun.

22-rimfire
September 2, 2011, 06:44 AM
DPris said... I had zero interest.

I wanted to like that old SP version in 22, but I just couldn't bring myself to spend the money on something that I knew was sub-Tier I quality at this point in my life. This one hopefully will be different.

Oldfool said...I duuno, I think I am going to pass on this one, it's not a great match up as a true clone practice companion for a 3" SP101 5-shot centerfire

Maybe I just already have too many others, including the 4" S&W kit guns
but well >$500 street price ($645 MSRP) for a 4" rimfire of that size and 30 oz weight, I would be a heckuva lot more tempted if it was in 22 WMR

and poster DPris is not commenting on the DA trigger, so I am in no hurry to make final judgement

DPris can't comment yet. Otherwise he would likely not be given pre-production handguns in the future to evaluate. But I am with you Oldfool. I feel the same way. I want to like this new SP-101. Plenty of time. Since I have Colts and Smith 22 revolvers, I will only buy if it's a good one and represents a real value. I'm not likely the target market for this revolver... it's the folks that look at a Smith these days and say... I'm not spending $650 on a new 22 revolver regardless of the obvious better quality. They will buy this Ruger revolver in hords and gripe about trigger IF it is still gritty and real heavy.

DPris
September 2, 2011, 12:14 PM
I can say Ruger obviously provided a sample to G&A, with help in the write-up, but G&A was NOT supposed to publish till after Ruger had made the announcement.

Denis

Fishslayer
September 2, 2011, 10:38 PM
Four-inch adjustable sight 8-shot version.


I'm in! :D

Kliegl
September 2, 2011, 10:49 PM
Part of the attraction to the .357 SP101 is the price. The 22 version needs to be, at least, cheaper than that.

22-rimfire
September 2, 2011, 11:18 PM
Why does the 22LR version of the SP-101 "need to be cheaper" than the 357 mag version? This is something I can not understand other than folks believe the 22LR to be a "cheap caliber to shoot", hence the guns should be cheap too as compared to a "real gun" like the SP-101 357 mag.

Fishslayer
September 3, 2011, 12:19 AM
Why does the 22LR version of the SP-101 "need to be cheaper" than the 357 mag version? This is something I can not understand other than folks believe the 22LR to be a "cheap caliber to shoot", hence the guns should be cheap too as compared to a "real gun" like the SP-101 357 mag.

Because for the vast majority of us a .22 is going to be a range toy. Hard to justify $1k+ for a range plinker.

Gary A
September 3, 2011, 12:31 AM
Part of the attraction to the .357 SP101 is the price. The 22 version needs to be, at least, cheaper than that.


I can't see that. It requires the same materials and labor as the .357s and, in addition, has upgraded front and rear sights plus nicer grips. I would expect it to be slightly, but not greatly, more than an SP in .357. I will definitely purchase one when they are available. No doubter.

ColtPythonElite
September 3, 2011, 08:03 AM
Hard to justify $1k+ for a range plinker.

I'll bet this forum is littered with guys that have $1k range toys....What does the sum of 1000 bucks have to do with the SP anyway? It isn't gonna cost that much.

Wishoot
September 3, 2011, 08:39 AM
Hard to justify $1k+ for a range plinker

Nah. This should be a sub $500 gun after it's been out for a while.

ColtPythonElite
September 3, 2011, 08:44 AM
I can hardly wait for them to get released, the buying frenzy at MSRP+ to come and go, and then they start to show up on the used market for probably in the 400 dollar range. I'd like to have one for a beater .22 pistol.

Fishman777
September 3, 2011, 12:51 PM
I don't get the hang up on price with .22 handguns.

Think about it: you will shoot your .22 more than you shoot any other gun. Why shouldn't you spend more on a gun that you are going to be putting 10s of thousands of rounds through?

I've been waiting one of these for years. I'm 100% in...

samurai
September 3, 2011, 04:06 PM
I just bought a like new 6 shot 4" Sp 101 22LR at the gun show this afternoon. I'm a happy camper- a little lighter in the wallet, but happy.

bearman49709
September 3, 2011, 04:52 PM
With the lead time of 3-4 months for magazines I suspect that Ruger planed to have it ready when they allowed G&A to veiw, use and do the writeup. Rember this was the Aug. edition that had the write up on it.

22-rimfire
September 3, 2011, 10:20 PM
I don't get the hang up on price with .22 handguns.

There was a thread a while back that discussed this. I don't get the hang up either. Actually I do because I have heard this kind of thing for years. If you want a good DA 22 revolver, you pay for it. Find them used, but you still pay. Prices on S&W Model 17's have been climbing rapidly in the last year.

The new Ruger SP-101 will not sell for $1000. I suspect it will be the same price as other SP-101's after the dust settles following the release.

Shear_stress
September 4, 2011, 10:14 AM
I don't get the hang up either.

Same here. The "why aren't .22 versions of other handguns cheaper?" question is a pet peeve of my mine. It's asking gun makers to produce a handgun with the same quality and complexity of manufacture as their centerfire offerings and yet somehow price it arbitrarily cheaper--what, as like a favor to you or something?

Meanwhile, there are scads of zinc and plastic rimfire guns out there made with every shortcut to appeal to the ".22 handgun = cheap" folks. And then people bitch and moan about their slides cracking . . .

oldfool
September 4, 2011, 12:32 PM
so long as we are drifting OT some, anybody heard more on the Browning 1911-22s ?
(this does seem to be the year for interesting new rimfires)

Jaymo
September 4, 2011, 01:12 PM
I already have a MkII .22 auto and an H&R .22 revolver.
I can buy a few really nice H&R .22 revolvers for the price of an sp101.
Or I could buy a single six .22.
The limited practicality of a high priced .22 revolver is one of the main reasons I wouldn't normally buy one. With a .327, .38, .357, .44, or .45 I can use it as a highly effective SD/HD gun. With the .357/.44/.45, I can use it for hunting big game, too.
The .22, I can only use for plinking/small game, not big game/primary SD.
Some of us don't mine paying way too damn much for a gun.
Some of us do.
To each his own.
I don't care if someone else likes to pay a lot of money for a plinker or range toy.
What I don't get is why they care that some of us don't.

oldfool
September 4, 2011, 01:53 PM
"What I don't get is why they care that some of us don't.

We don't care that some of you don't.

The comments here and elsewhere are virtually all from the other side, re: critical of why some of us will pay equal dollars for rimfire and centerfire.

I run thousands of rounds thru my k-17s vs relatively few hundred thru my k-66s, easily 10:1 ratio, sometimes maybe even 100:1 ratio. That has a real high value for me; I shoot my 38/357s better because of that. I own plenty of other rimfires for just "plinking" too.

Not a snowballs chance that I will ever wear those k-17s out, and they will shoot targets at least as well as my 6 7/8 Ruger MKIII, maybe as well as my 10" bull barrel MKII, and better than my $150 Hi-Standard or S&W622.. I shoot 'em all and enjoy 'em all... but none have as much value to me as the practice companion clones for my "real" guns.
(hint = see my post #23)

YMMV, no problemo
a Heritage RoughRider will do just fine for plinking tin cans, have fun

skidder
September 4, 2011, 04:25 PM
I collect gun magazines. I have boxes of: Shooting times, Handguns, guns & ammo, etc. Some go back to the 60's. I'm running out of storage, but it's nice to go and find the original article about a particular gun.

I went and pulled the 1997 Ruger catalog and went to the sp101 section. They offered 3 models in 22.

KSP-221 6-shot, Adj, full shroud, 2 1/4" 32oz.
KSP-240 6-shot, Adj, short shroud, 4" 33 oz.
KSP-241 6-shot, Adj, full shroud, 4" 34oz.

These were the heaviest of all the sp101's due to the bore being smaller (for that reason much stronger). Most of your 22 revolvers are the same as their counter parts in 38 caliber; why should they cost less? I shoot my 22's more frequently than my bigger calibers, and like Old Fool stated, "That has a real high value for me".

Kliegl
September 4, 2011, 06:54 PM
No need for folks to get all butthurt over comments that a 22 should be cheap.

Ruger pistols are based on quality and value. I will not pay 1 grand for a Ruger pistol, 22 or otherwise. I own quite a few Rugers, including some .22s, so I feel entitled to voice my thoughts on what price I think this revolver should go for, without the resident 22 cheerleading squad trying to carve me a new one.

DPris
September 5, 2011, 02:23 AM
Where does this $1000 figure keep coming from?
Denis

oldfool
September 5, 2011, 05:23 AM
"Where does this $1000 figure keep coming from?"
beats me

"Ruger pistols are based on quality and value."
Yes, they are -
MSRP, SP101 centerfire, Ruger's website $629
MSRP, new Ruger SP rimfire G&A premature article $645

This is a significant disparity, the rimfire variant should be somehow cheaper to produce ?? I don't personally know anybody who ever paid MSRP for a NIB gun of current manufacture, anyway. I don't

$500-$600 handguns are anything but "high priced elitist" flavor these days.
At the end of the day, it's all just fitness for function; what you choose to do with yours justifies the price you are willing to pay for it, be it $50 or $5000

There are some truly serious benchrest shooters out there who spend $10,000 on a rimfire BR50 full setup (rifle rest, scope, rifle, etc.) It ain't my thing, but I admire and respect what they do. Same could be said of Olympic class target rimfire pistolas. I am not telling anybody to rush out and get a bank loan for their next rimfire purchase, but do consider what you intend to do with the gun before you set your own price range. A wallyworld CO2 pistola will punch holes in easy opening aluminum cans.

No need for folks to get all butthurt over comments that a 22 need not be cheap.

PS
my 3" Ruger SP101 centerfire cost me $300, NIB :neener:
(well, ok it was a few decades ago when they 1st came out, and my 1st S&W 6" model 66 cost me $329 NIB. Neither was a cheapo 2nd rate handgun, then or now. Gasoline didn't cost $3-$4 a gallon either. My last NIB Ruger MKIII rimfire cost me a tad over $400, and that was maybe 3 years ago, before all the current insanity; current Ruger website MSRP $638)

oldfool
September 5, 2011, 06:11 AM
lest our frugal friends feel disrespected...

here you go, google up, right now, gunbroker, yours for a buy-it-now price of only $107 !
Jimenez Arms JA22 J A 22 NIB

wheelies more your style, better still, buy-it-now for only $100 !
ROHM RG 24 22 LR DOUBLE ACTION REVOLVER GERMANY


(kindly post pics and range report)

Wishoot
September 6, 2011, 08:31 PM
lest our frugal friends feel disrespected...

here you go, google up, right now, gunbroker, yours for a buy-it-now price of only $107 !
Jimenez Arms JA22 J A 22 NIB

wheelies more your style, better still, buy-it-now for only $100 !
ROHM RG 24 22 LR DOUBLE ACTION REVOLVER GERMANY


(kindly post pics and range report)
No thanks.

280shooter
September 7, 2011, 12:10 AM
It looks over sized and over priced.. Its like all the rugers to big ,,it needs sized down some for me,And I said for me,, I have a single 6, 6 1/2 in, in stainless. that feels over sized some times,, For the money I buy a S/W

Gary A
September 7, 2011, 12:36 AM
It looks over sized and over priced.

I'm really not certain where either of those sentiments come from but you did say "for me". Still, it's a mystery to me. Oversized compared to what? Overpriced compared to what?

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280shooter
September 7, 2011, 12:47 AM
$759.00 * *Suggested Retail, Dealer Sets Actual Pricing

Model: Model 317 Kit Gun™
.Caliber: .22 LR
.Capacity: 8 Rounds
.Barrel Length: 3" / 7.6 cm
.Front Sight: HI-VIZ® Fiber Optic Green
.Rear Sight: Adjustable
.Grip: Synthetic
.Action: Single/Double Action
.Frame Size: Small - Exposed Hammer
.Finish: Matte Silver
.Overall Length: 7.19" / 18.3 cm
.Material: Aluminum Alloy Frame
Aluminum Alloy Cylinder
.Weight Empty: 12.5 oz / 354.4 g
.Purpose: Recreational
Professional/ Duty

12.5 OZ< ruger 30 OZ,,, hummmm looks over sized to me,,,,,

22-rimfire
September 7, 2011, 11:45 AM
You may find that you like the 3" 8-shot steel framed Model 63 more than the M317 for general use.

Most of the 22 revolvers are built on frames for larger calibers and hence are a little "over sized" to some.

bhk
September 7, 2011, 02:46 PM
I really don't like my .22 revolvers to be much smaller or lighter than my centerfires. I have a older SW 63 that seems too small and light to me. I much prefer my K-22 (Model 18 with 4" barrel). The 63 is, though, great for trail use. The 317 is WAY to light to be practical, IMHO.

David E
September 7, 2011, 03:38 PM
Gee, I wonder when Hi-Point will offer a .22 semi-auto......

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