CCI Velociter 22/LR at 300 Yards


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rugerman07
September 1, 2011, 07:02 PM
This is a very good test/review of the CCI Velociter at 300 yards. Kind of makes you wonder if it would be a good choice as a defense round. What do you think? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAkOzr6cDx0

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SleazyRider
September 1, 2011, 07:19 PM
Very interesting video! At 300 yards, however, the results are probably more indicative of a hunting round rather than a defensive round. It would be interesting to perform the test at 10 yards using a handgun, but not on my roast beef sandwich! :D

steveno
September 1, 2011, 07:53 PM
using a Manurhin PPK/s (3.25 inch barrel) I chronographed the CCI velocitor right at 1,000 fps. while there are certainly better rounds for self defense it is a lot better than a sharp stick

woad_yurt
September 1, 2011, 08:08 PM
Those are kickin' little rounds. Out of a rifle, close up, I'd think that they'd be pretty good for defense.

Shooter973
September 2, 2011, 12:30 AM
My youngest son (29) has shot the 300 yard gong at our local range. He did it in front of several people that didn't think it could be done.
He was shooting a standard 10/22 with a scope on it, a 3x9 if I remember correctly. Used Federal bulk pack 22 ammo. He was able to hit it more than miss once he got the hold over right. A nice quiet plink when he'd hit it. No need for the high priced CCI Velocitors.

ms6852
September 2, 2011, 01:28 AM
There is a good write up on one of sniper forums where some one did something similar but used a turkey instead.

The 22 is a very very lethal round, but is not a good defensive round. The fact that it is a slow moving round though it may penetrate through an adult body the chance of the bullet hitting a vital organ or an artery is lessen.

In my opinion a good defensive round must be able to deliver a huge amount of hydrostatic shock that may incapacitate an attacker immediately. The 22lr does not do that, but it is better than nothing if that is all you have. You must also realize that if you do not buy reliable ammo, rimfire cartridges are notorious for misfires.

You feel lucky? Take the chance.

Red Cent
September 2, 2011, 02:15 PM
I would think 10 rounds from a 10-22 across 20-25 feet would be devastating. If you have a 25 round mag that works, all the better.

Hocka Louis
September 2, 2011, 09:00 PM
The short answer is no (and how I voted). The long answer is a) a .22 LR is better than nothing and b) the Velocitor is the Best-in-Class, period, IMO.

Warp
September 2, 2011, 11:00 PM
.22lr is good for defense...against zombie rabbits

Warp
September 2, 2011, 11:15 PM
Defense is at 10 ft

:rolleyes:

Warp
September 3, 2011, 12:03 AM
10 ft covered almost all of them. Besides, if the range was 20 ft, the eyeball can still be hit, swiftly and repeatedly, by a good hand with a .22 rifle

Right...."almost". Certainly not all

ALso, good luck hitting a one inch moving target repeatedly. 4 times a second...ROFL

bgr2014
September 4, 2011, 03:37 AM
I've not used the Velositer in my 22lr haven't seen any. My 22 likes the Rem. round nose gold, is very accurate with them. Will not shoot any of the hyper velosity stuff, guns are like women, what they like they like, what they don't like you can't make them.

CraigC
September 4, 2011, 12:33 PM
Relatively speaking, yes. It's far from ideal but it would be more effective than internet lore suggests. It would certainly be the best load to use in the .22LR for such a purpose. Armed with a reliable 10/22 with a Ruger or TI 25rd magazine loaded with Velocitors, you would be FAR from helpless.

Warp
September 4, 2011, 02:05 PM
My goal isn't to be far from helpless, but rather to be bet-my-life effective

CraigC
September 4, 2011, 04:03 PM
Mine as well but some folks don't have as many options as I do. For you can sure as hell defend yourself with a squirrel rifle but it's really tough to hunt squirrels with a Glock.

bgr2014
September 4, 2011, 04:09 PM
I'll have to try some in my Rem. 581 and Ruger Mark lll Target, when i find some.

JTHunter
September 5, 2011, 01:12 AM
Sorry Gents. I just can't see the .22LR round of any kind being even a marginal SD/HD round. They just don't have sufficient power. I wouldn't even trust my .22 Mag revolver for this.
Fortunately, I don't have to. :evil:

dpeticca
September 5, 2011, 08:24 PM
Yes, it would be fine out of a rifle going 1450fps.

Out of a handgun the 22 doesn't build up as much speed. But it can work. Here's a recent example:

http://www.wistv.com/story/15140008/female-motel-clerk-kills-robber

ms6852
September 6, 2011, 01:39 PM
Like I said it is a very very lethal round.

LAK
September 6, 2011, 02:15 PM
Check out the Aquila Intercepter which is marginally faster.

Personally I have no hang ups over the .22 LR as a defensive round as long as one is aware of the limitations in terms of penetration - both of intermediate barriers and hollowpoints in soft tissue. In that regard a solid at 1,450 fps is about as good as it gets with a .22 LR.

ForumSurfer
September 6, 2011, 02:52 PM
Kind of makes you wonder if it would be a good choice as a defense round. What do you think?

I say no.

Lethal? Very.

It lacks stopping power. Fire it from a pistol with lower velocities, and it's lethality is further lessened.

Still beats a sharp stick in the eye!

If it were all I had, I would run with it...but not with hollow tips. With penetration being somewhat questionable, I'd take my chances with a solid bullet.

Orion8472
September 6, 2011, 10:40 PM
There is a youtube video of the Velocitor out of a pistol and rifle, shooting into ballistics gel. Out of the pistol, there was a small bit of shock wave. Out of the rifle, on the other hand, . . . MUCH better. It looked pretty impressive. So, I would say that if you only had a .22lr, the Velocitor would be one of the best choices, . . . especially out of a rifle.

Onward Allusion
September 6, 2011, 10:50 PM
I voted yes, but the correct answer is probably "it depends". Out of a rifle length barrel, high velocity 22LR rounds are nothing to sneeze at. The problem that I can see with the Hyper Velocity hollow point rounds is that they have a tendency to break apart on impact. Like ForumSurfer said, go with 40 grain solids.

I like the Aguila Interceptor 40 grain solid points. Not the most accurate but a good performer in the heavy solid point arena.

303tom
September 7, 2011, 12:10 AM
Break into my house & I pop you with this, see if they don`t pack you out on a stretcher with a sheet over your head.

Warp
September 7, 2011, 01:49 AM
There is a youtube video of the Velocitor out of a pistol and rifle, shooting into ballistics gel. Out of the pistol, there was a small bit of shock wave. Out of the rifle, on the other hand, . . . MUCH better. It looked pretty impressive. So, I would say that if you only had a .22lr, the Velocitor would be one of the best choices, . . . especially out of a rifle.

Depth of penetration...expansion?

The pressure wave of a .22lr isn't going to do anything

22-rimfire
September 7, 2011, 01:46 PM
The Velocitor is one of the better choices for defensive use from a 22 rifle. Not optimal, but not terrible either as far as I'm concerned. As the saying goes... use what you got.

Never tried to hit anything at 300 yds with a 22 rifle other than plinking.

MachIVshooter
September 8, 2011, 08:50 AM
If a .22 is all you have, go for it.

Personally, I have much better options available both for SD and long range shooting. I'll keep my 10mm/45 Super/.44 Spl/etc for SD, and shooting my .220 Swift off that same bench at 300 yards, I'll wager that I would not have missed that meat pack with the first cold bore shot, and there wouldn't have been much left of it.

As for a .22 cal pistol for SD, the only one I've ever owned that I'd consider acceptable is my PMR-30. Not just a performance increase over the LR, but a huge capacity advantage. Still, I'll take my 4516-1 with 8 rounds of .45 Super over the PMR with 31 rounds for almost any defensive situation.

Eb1
September 8, 2011, 11:12 PM
What I don't get is that the simple answer is, yes. A .22 LR is good in defense. Beats nothing. Easy to control, can be fired rapidly without losing POA.
At room distance it is a bad day for the person on the wrong side of the muzzle. Most people prey on the weak. When you pull a gun, and have the intent to use it to protect yourself, you are not longer the weak in the eye of the attacker. There mindset changes quickly to "OH Crap!" In most cases.
Unless I am going up against an armored attacker, I would not have any doubts about ending an attack with a .22 LR. Be it single action revolver or a PMR-30 style .22 caliber pistol. Make that a carbine auto, and I feel even better about it.

Bust off a .22 LR at room distance center mass. Well. I don't know anyone who puts up an argument willing to put their theories to the test. Do you? The best answer is to arm yourself. It is your God given right to protect your life. America, arm yourself with whatever you have access to, and are proficient with. That is the bottom line.

JohnnLoco
September 8, 2011, 11:23 PM
If you shoot someone with a Velocitor in a vital area, he ain't getting up

I have killed several deer and Rottenwhylers with one shot chest shots using Velocitor at 60 yards or less and I can tell you the internal damage is substantial. They all dropped in place. I don't know how it does what it does but it does it well.

Its actually a perfect round. On small game it doesn't expand and on anything larger than 20lb, it tears them up.

I've been using the stuff since it first came out. I've shot them at flack vest and dug them out and they were .357 in diameter, didn't break apart, and firm. I've had this discussion a few times. If Regan was shot with a Velocitor, he would be dead.

A 10/22 with XS ghost ring sights and that new Ruger 25 round mag is a nasty 100 yard weapon.

300 yards ain't my bag with a 22LR

After saying all of this and personal testing on kills, I would still recommend the Stinger at 25 yards or less because at close range it seems to do more internal damage on 80lb plus targets.

Warp
September 9, 2011, 02:34 AM
If you shoot someone with a Velocitor in a vital area, he ain't getting up


You're right. He won't get up because he won't go down. Gotta go down before you can get up

sansone
September 9, 2011, 08:32 AM
I voted no, but if you got nothin' else, oh well

Neo-Luddite
September 9, 2011, 10:11 AM
It was a neat video/test. CCI makes a great product (and has for years). I bought a couple boxes and haven't had a chance to try them out.

As for a 'good'' defensive round? All those type discussions are relative merit discussions that are REALLY about hair splitting scenarios. That said, I would count on ANY CCI product to reliably fire and have superior strandards of primer reliability when compared with other rimfire brands. So I guess if your options were limited to .22, they would probably be a good bet in most weapons. If all I 'had on me' was my 10/22 and mark II---you bet they would BOTH be loaded with CCI products (or Federal, Winchester, and 'high end' Remington in that order).

The 'bigger picture' is that ALL handguns in common usage pale in defensive scenarios next to things like shotguns and centerfire rifles. I'd much sooner poor A HUGE amount of energy into a target than not enough. That said, if other concerns came into play (ie. the user is physically frail like my 80 yr old Mom and can't take larger recoil, laws prevnt having something more than .22, noise being a fcator, ect)---not so bad. Probably a good survival round for small game or 'quiet' taking of larger game on the cheap when resourses must be conserved.

scaatylobo
September 9, 2011, 10:27 AM
IMNSHO , the ONLY thing that counts is SHOT PLACEMTNT.

That being the case [ as I see it ] then the .22 can do as well if not better since most shooters are not near as good as they think they are.

Therefore a GOOD hit with a .22 beats the pants off a miss or bad hit with ANY caliber.

AND more have been 'taken out' with a .22 than with most other calibers put together.

That is counting all mob hits,all sentrys hits,and all assasinations.

If you actually practice as much as you pretend,then you can actually take eye/head shot with that .22 and hit multiple times in a very sensitive area.

It is not my first choice ,nor my last either.Less noise and FASTEST followup shots.

Oh and super cheap to shoot even the most expensive ammo.

JohnnLoco
September 9, 2011, 10:48 AM
Yes Sir, he'll go down and stay down.

I say let's do a youtube video with you as an example and see if you get up.

:neener:

Shawn Dodson
September 9, 2011, 01:52 PM
South Carolina Trooper Mark Coates was rapidly incapacitated by a .22 bullet fired from a mini-revolver. The bullet cut a major artery and he quickly collapsed.

Coates had just shot his killer 5 times in the torso with his .357 Magnum revolver.

Partial dash cam video of the incident (just before Coates is shot) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ca-PAWBMnk

Interview of his killer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XakKDp-1UHw

Neo-Luddite
September 9, 2011, 08:17 PM
As I say (often) to my kids--the .22 has killed more than any other caliber. What guided me toward buying a couple of boxes of velociters to try out was that someone had described them as being (for lack of a better descriptive) an improvement over the stinger in terms of over-all feeding reliability (a few guns choke on stingers owing to their shape) and better down-range trajectory/power retention owing to higher mass and better momentum. I am not talented enough to rely on .22 as a defensive round; that's me. Everyone has to keep his/her own council in that regard and I go w/ .38 spl as a baseline for pistol-based defense knowing I'd sooner have a 12ga or carbine handy as a first line whenever possible.

JohnnLoco
September 9, 2011, 09:03 PM
NEO, for purpose of over-all feeding you owe it to yourself to hand cycle some truncated cone remingtons.

In a semi-auto with a barrel over 3.5", a 22LR would my first choice for self defense over anything below 380. Just practice clearing the missfire and be sure the gun has an extractor.

gym
September 9, 2011, 10:22 PM
No, not a carry weapon, can kill does kill many every year, but odds are not great.380 is the minimum, and not a bad overall round. I carried a 38 special and a ppks for 20 years before the 90's and they will put a man down just fine at close range which is where gunfights happen.

JohnnLoco
September 9, 2011, 10:51 PM
"odds are not great"

For what? Odds of a 22LR ending a civilian altercation is almost 100 percent.

Snowdog
September 10, 2011, 02:31 AM
I'm not a fan of the .22LR for defense either, but I won't say the .22LR isn't deadly.

If I had to use the little rimfire round for defense, it would likely be in something similar to a GSG-5. I can't imagine the .22LR not being effective to some degree when there are 20+ rounds at the ready.

I believe with some practice (and what better cartridge to practice with), even a bobbing head wouldn't be too challenging a target at defensive ranges. I also believe a 40gr .22 caliber lead slug humming along at 1400+ FPS would be a game-changer after slamming into the cranium of an assailant.

I'll stick with my M1 carbine or shotgun for defense, but I'm hesitant to critique anyone using a .22LR for defense if they've giving serious thought to strategy and invested in considerable trigger time.

JohnnLoco
September 10, 2011, 05:00 PM
I've read over the thread again and noticed this

"The pressure wave of a .22lr isn't going to do anything"

I ask, what is the pressure wave of a knife?

I'd take a chest shot with the Velocitor, no hesitation. The round holds together way better than I expected. The Perp is a done deal.

Sky
September 10, 2011, 07:14 PM
Actually I purchased some Aguila Hyper velocity that says;

Aguila Super Maximum Hyper Velocity (1750fps).22lr caliber rimfire ammunition. Features a 30grn solid point lead bullet. It comes packaged 50rds to a box, 500rds (10 boxes) to a brick and 5,000rds (10 bricks) to a case

1750 fps is nothing to sneeze at. I have not been able to try it out yet in the CMMG uppers that I purchased it for but am looking forward to the experience. We do have some 14" steel targets at 325 yards.....hummmmm

Strykervet
September 10, 2011, 07:39 PM
Actually I purchased some Aguila Hyper velocity that says;

Aguila Super Maximum Hyper Velocity (1750fps).22lr caliber rimfire ammunition. Features a 30grn solid point lead bullet. It comes packaged 50rds to a box, 500rds (10 boxes) to a brick and 5,000rds (10 bricks) to a case

1750 fps is nothing to sneeze at. I have not been able to try it out yet in the CMMG uppers that I purchased it for but am looking forward to the experience. We do have some 14" steel targets at 325 yards.....hummmmm
Well, if that is true, no need for the 5.7! 30gr. at 1750, that is the 5.7, no?

I had a friend killed by a .22 to the chest. He was a 7' 300lb Samoan, could do the 12mi. road march in a little over an hour. Simply a machine. DOA.

The thing about the .22 is that it is easier to fire accurately, but let's be honest, the .22 is not the best choice for defense. Many defensive shootings happen with the target in a defensive or aggressive position as well. You COULD ask him to keep his arms at his side while you take the shot, but don't count on it. Many times you have to shoot through hands, arms, or take oblique shots.

For assassination, yes, the .22 is probably sufficient. If you don't see it coming, a well aimed shot fired from a hushpuppy is very deadly. But you aren't an assassin.

Firing it at 300m...

Yes, you can do that too. Jerry Miculek shot a balloon at 230+y using a Smith 617, 6", a red dot, and fired upside down with the pinkie double action. He hit it on the third shot. I've shot steel sillhouettes at 300m using a 686+ 6". The thing about them both is that they don't have enough retained energy to do much at that distance. Hitting something and dropping something are two different things.

I used to shoot small targets with my 10/22 at 100yards. Been awhile since I took it past 50 though. I just don't use it for much past that anymore.

For 0-300m, it is hard to beat most M4 platforms. 5.56, 300blk, 6.5, 6.8, you name it. All are good, and most are good past that. The Beowulf is very accurate and very deadly out to 200m (where it falls like a brick after that). .22 is not there. If it were, I'm sure SF would use them for CQB.

If you are hunting deer with a .22, you have problems. I hope you get caught by Fish and Game. I think those shots are BS BTW, maybe TS given the source.

JohnnLoco
September 11, 2011, 11:47 AM
Nope, not BS. You let me worry about Fish & Game and you worry about your world. My Axis and Whitetail were nowheres as big as your 7' 300lb Samoan friend killed by a .22 to the chest. So whats BS now?

No, a 22LR ain't my first choice for defense but when it comes to defense against humans and small animals, I don't feel hindered at all.

In fact, because it carries the potential for less collateral damage, it could be the smart choice for some.

gym
September 11, 2011, 12:23 PM
Guys this 22 discussion has been gone over a million times. It's always the same. Two things , when you shoot someone you want then instantlly unable to do any more damage. Unless you hit the brain or heart, that's not going to happen with a 22. They are more dangerous from bouncing around off of bones and ending up being say shot in the hand, and the bullett ending up in your lung or brain stem. But you can't count on that for stopping the person from continuing the assault and killing you prior to funneling out of fluid if its even a chest shot.
Second why would you carry a 22 when it is not made for that purpose, if it were don't you think we would see more combat 22 pistols being made. Forget the 1 kel-tec made,it's at least a magnum, it will go by the wayside as a plinker, where it belongs. When you shoot someone, "God forbid, you want the conflict ended not that they are still able to move around and shoot back. You miss a guy with that 22, and he has a 45 or shotgun, all you did is give away your position, now he can just put rounds through the wall. Even if you hit him, he may have 3 or 4 layers of clothing on, or a vest, "if they are pro's" what good is that 22 now. Are you going to spend money putting a laser and a surfire on a $200 dollar gun. It just dosen't make sense. A home invasion is going to usually involve some serious guns, mine the had shotguns, if you want to go up against a 12 gauge with a 22, good luck.
We all know people are like engines, they stop when they run out of fuel, the 22 isn't going to cause enough bleeding fast enough, sometimes peple get shot with 22's and don't bleed, just little entrance hole, there are a lot of folks walking around with 22's in them from accidents where taking out the round was more risky than leaving it in.
It's bad enough when we have the 32vx380vs 38 debate, but 22's really. If that's all you have, sell it and buy something else.

JohnnLoco
September 11, 2011, 03:15 PM
"instantlly" damn sure can and does happen with a 22 on a regular basis and anyone who believes otherwise is ignorant. Your job in defense is to stop a threat not necessarily kill someone.

Many folks give themselves too much importance because most criminals seldom continue to force the situation when shot or confronted with a firearm when dealing with a regular street Joe. They are more apt to fight it out with Law enforcement.

Trust me, you can't "count" on nuthin regardless of caliber and If I shoot you in the chest with a Velocitor, you will, to use your term..."run out of fuel" right freekin then!!

I've seen a LE get shot in the vest with a 44 magnum and it didn't stop him either, he went on to kill the bad guy.

Since the bad guy is going to have the jump on you 99.9 percent of the time, all most of you are going to do is look stupid and do what you are told.

Too many folks think a gun makes them superman. If all you have is a 22LR, use it proudly. And if someone wants to put a Crimson Trace laser on a Bersa T22 then they are ahead of the power curve and more power to them.

To answer the original question again...Heck yeah a Velocitor in a rifle can be used as an efficient home defense round.

Eb1
September 11, 2011, 04:11 PM
Yes, you can do that too. Jerry Miculek shot a balloon at 230+y using a Smith 617, 6", a red dot, and fired upside down with the pinkie double action.

No, he did not. Watch the slow motion of that shot. The splatter from the bullet busted that balloon. He hit about 4' or more away from it. It was the bullet splatter. Not a direct hit.

InkEd
September 11, 2011, 05:12 PM
No. It's still a .22lr

LAK
September 11, 2011, 05:33 PM
Greatest hurdle shooting the .22 LR at distance is the wind. But in calm conditions careful matching of ammo to gun can produce some amazing results. Many folk at rimfirecentral.com have covered this topic quite well.

JohnnLoco
September 11, 2011, 07:39 PM
100 yards is my general max for a 22LR with hypervelocity shell. I want my 22 to have a 1" MBPR because I'm usually shooting smaller targets. I can do an easy head shot on feral cats at 100 yards and it still has enough power to tear half their head off. I've killed pitbulls at the same distance DRT.

gym
September 12, 2011, 04:17 PM
John your wrong, With 8 posts I forgive you. But after having instances where I was involved in situations that wepons were employed, a 22 is just a bad choice for HD. You may have 3-6 guys on you in a matter of seconds, that 22 isn't going to give you the power to stop several people or maybe even 1 or 2, with any kind of consistancy. Likelly you will be pushed or shot right in your doorway with little or no time to make that shot you made shooting targerts.And they are less likelly to shoot it out with LEO's than some guy in a bathrobe. I don't know where you are drawing on this vast knowledge of firarms training , but if you look a t scenarios like Curtis "50cent" Jackson, he was hit 9 times and lived with a 9mm. I know guys shot several times with 45's and they lived, "torso shots" and you choose to pick a 22. It just goes against all logic, and use of apprpriate force etc.
PS: looking stupid , is the last thing one should worry about in a gunfight, Wondering why you answered the door with a 22 is the first.
You can get lucky with a poker chip if you are Bruce Lee, but for the rest of us a shotgun. or high cap top three, 9,40,45, cal gun is what works best, Or of course a rifle like AK,AR, etc.But not anythng smaller for HD, that is where you can have whatever you choose to have without worrying about printing , weight etc, Why in heavens sake would you choose the smallest one. If you say that's all I had, well then that's all you had. but don't make it sound like it was a preferred weapon.It's just too haphazzard a weapon to stake your familys lives on. If that's all I had I would sell it and pick up a used shotgun.

HGUNHNTR
September 12, 2011, 05:36 PM
^Thanks my savior.You may have 3-6 guys on you in a matter of seconds, that 22 isn't going to give you the power to stop several people or maybe even 1 or 2, with any kind of consistancy. Likelly you will be pushed or shot right in your doorway with little or no time to make that shot you made shooting targerts How can you definitively make these claims?

Given your spelling and grammar abilities I forgive you. ;)


The 22 is a very very lethal round, but is not a good defensive round.
:confused::confused:

artbrownsr
September 12, 2011, 05:43 PM
I would only use it as HD if it was the only thing I had with me, and as the head is about 6-8 inches across I've got a 3-5 inch lethal target. If the BG gets a shot in the face I would think it would a) discourage further advance, b) allow me to make good a better shot, or c) get out of there with my family to another place of safety or another weapon! I do have various weapons it would depend on which one was most available to my location.

Panzercat
September 12, 2011, 05:52 PM
Would The CCI Velociter fired from a rifle be a good defense round?

I would submit that your will to use the gun is greater than the caliber being employed, even after considering the ability to one shot stop an adversary. There was a thread that all but drew the same conclusion (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=388514).

Even a high velocity .22 round probably won't kill immediately you short of rolling a critical strike. But just the fact that you're willing to shoot the guy will more than likely stop the attack, which is almost as important. Real people are going to say "Ima gettin' shotz at!" not "What caliber is that? I'll probably survive the first few hits." In that light, ZOMG High velocity rounds are probably overrated.

That said, there's absolutely nothing wrong with bigger holes.

gym
September 12, 2011, 06:40 PM
Because Mr. spelling bee, I had 5 Guys with shotguns and autos in my house. That's how I can make those statements.
You ever had to fight your way out of a doorway with a 22? Bet not. You may hit or even kill one but your going to get overrun before you can negate the attack. I just did a post on spelling and the proper place and time to be concerned with it yesterday , you should take a look. This is a forum for shooing the "you know what" you want grammar and spelling, join an English Literature site.
Unless you have a gatteling gun full of those 22's it's a bad choice.
They are good for hogs, but not people.

HGUNHNTR
September 12, 2011, 09:01 PM
I guess I should buy a lottery ticket since I heard someone won it once.

For some, the 22lr is the best. If you are unable to accurately fire a centerfire round a rimfire is the obvoius answer. I would rather defend myself with a magazine of .22lr than a golf club or unkind words.

Being articulate isn't relegated to "English Literature" (which has nothing to do with spelling and grammar by the way), and goes a long way to showing your competence in many subject matters.

JohnnLoco
September 12, 2011, 10:11 PM
"It just goes against all logic" Yet it's so effective.

"They are good for hogs, but not people" You are killing me here

I've spent over twenty years in one of Uncle Sam's most elite, if not "the" most elite unit in the Military. I've seen things that always amaze me.

I never said it was my primary defense weapon nor do I recommend it. I said it would work and based on my larger animal kills, I can say a Velocitor to the chest is a man stopper. As stated by another fella concerning assassination, I'm not going to debate the use of a 22LR in a suppressed MKII Ruger because I know it works first hand as I've used it many times during escape and evasion.

I'm getting old now at the age of 47 but still don't fear multiple attackers. History has shown they fair much better when I have a firearm than they do with a rock, knife, machete, or my bare hands & teeth. (I too, have missing parts, scars, and a mouthful of implants)

You can "war game" in your mind all you want in preparation for an impending scenario, its both healthy and helpful, its not finite.

Your case about "caliber - some lived - some died" theory, reminds me of a dear friend who died from a blasting cap while I survived a 2000lb bomb strike.

I'm glad you know what works best because I'm living proof its nothing more than God and dumb luck, mixed with a little skill and the ability to negotiate the Matrix http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachypsychia (read the last two lines)

Mr. Gym, I agee the shotgun makes a much better home defense weapon but If all you have is a 22LR then more power to ya.

gym
September 13, 2011, 05:01 PM
You're right it's like a car wreck that someone walked away from without a scratch, and everyone else died. All I meant was , Having a choice, I would choose a different caliber and not say it was acceptable. As we all know,you can sell that 22 and get something a little more efficient, that's all I meant after all is said and done. I'm sure you had friends who were hit once and died on the spot, where others that "according to the medical people" should have died , but just didn't. My main concern was not having anyone walk away thinking that a 22 was a good choice for protecting themselves and their families with, when an 870 or 590, or even a Saiga with a 30 round surefire, for under $300 is the same "trade price" and offers so much more in the way of oppertunity to do the job

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