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Hizzoner
September 2, 2011, 08:29 PM
Has anyone else actually weighed the bullets they got from MBC?
I had occasion to weigh some of the supposed #2 185gr LSWC I recently bought. I weighed 50 bullets of a 500 bullet order and there was only one that weighed less than 197gr and that one had a casting flaw. I weighed them on a zeroed and tested Redding balance beam. I double checked the weights on another scale to verify.
Fortunately I had only loaded about 32 light loads.

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spelsh
September 2, 2011, 08:35 PM
That sounds odd. I have a couple thousand 115gr 9mm, but haven't weighed any of them.

cberge8
September 2, 2011, 08:41 PM
You may want to contact them about this.

I have gone through about 2k of their IDP#2 (170gn SWC .401). I have weighed quite a few, and all were within 6gn of 170gn. The only thing that I have noticed is that every now and then (about 1 out of a box of 500) you will find an unlubed bullet.

Hizzoner
September 2, 2011, 08:47 PM
You may want to contact them about this.
I used their contact e-mail and explained my concern.
On the positive side, since the bullets are VERY close to 200gr, I can probably load for that weight instead. I just really wanted to try some 185gr.

Shimitup
September 2, 2011, 08:49 PM
Sounds like you got a box of mislabled 200 grainers.

Jesse Heywood
September 2, 2011, 08:54 PM
I've never had any of MBC bullets off by more than 5 grains. Usually only one or two, which is very good. Brad will take care of it for you. It's a holiday weekend, I'm hoping he is taking the weekend off.

Hizzoner
September 2, 2011, 08:54 PM
Sounds like you got a box of mislabled 200 grainers.
That crossed my mind, but the odd thing is that there were a handfull of extra bullets in the shipping bag and when I weighed them they were 204 gr.
That's actually why I weighed some from the box on the theory that they were "escapees" from that batch.

ljnowell
September 2, 2011, 08:59 PM
Sounds like a rare occurance from Missouri Bullet, but I wouldnt worry, Brad will take care of it. THe folks from Missouri Bullet are good stand-up people.

Hizzoner
September 2, 2011, 09:01 PM
I've never had any of MBC bullets off by more than 5 grains. Usually only one or two, which is very good. Brad will take care of it for you. It's a holiday weekend, I'm hoping he is taking the weekend off.
I'm not concerned, they certainly come highly recommended.
Especially for CS.
I had 250 200 gr rounds loaded and ready to burn up this weekend so I'm happy.
Just wanted to experiment with the 185 gr.

MissouriBullet
September 2, 2011, 10:32 PM
Has anyone else actually weighed the bullets they got from MBC?
I had occasion to weigh some of the supposed #2 185gr LSWC I recently bought. I weighed 50 bullets of a 500 bullet order and there was only one that weighed less than 197gr and that one had a casting flaw. I weighed them on a zeroed and tested Redding balance beam. I double checked the weights on another scale to verify.
Fortunately I had only loaded about 32 light loads.
Yep, it was a packaging/labeling error. A Bullseye #2 label was mistakenly attached to a box containing Bullseye #1, the 200 grain soft bullets. So we sent you the wrong bullets.

Jo Ann and I had already made a note to re-ship your order tomorrow after we received your email this afternoon and I had intended to reply to it when I came in from the shop, which was just a few minutes ago and then I saw your post here.

Anyhow, in the shipping carton, you will receive a separate plastic bag containing a body part which was formerly attached to our packaging person.

I am very upset about this mistake and am very sorry that it happened. We will take care of it.

Brad

ps - fortunately for the employee, we do provide medical insurance

codefour
September 2, 2011, 10:46 PM
It is funny you mentioned that.. I was just loading some .38 158 Cowboy loads from MBC.. They all came in a couple grains over 158. MBC rocks..!!

ljnowell
September 2, 2011, 11:04 PM
And that, Hizzoner, is what makes MoBullet so great. No hassle, no bs, problem solved.

Hizzoner
September 2, 2011, 11:49 PM
Yep, it was a packaging/labeling error. A Bullseye #2 label was mistakenly attached to a box containing Bullseye #1, the 200 grain soft bullets. So we sent you the wrong bullets.

Jo Ann and I had already made a note to re-ship your order tomorrow after we received your email this afternoon and I had intended to reply to it when I came in from the shop, which was just a few minutes ago and then I saw your post here.

Anyhow, in the shipping carton, you will receive a separate plastic bag containing a body part which was formerly attached to our packaging person.

I am very upset about this mistake and am very sorry that it happened. We will take care of it.

Brad

ps - fortunately for the employee, we do provide medical insurance
You Sir, are one of an increasingly rare breed. A business man who stands behind his product 100%.
I will certainly recommend your company to my reloading fiends.
Oops, make that friends.
BTW, Don't send the body part, if you keep it on ice someone local might use it for a replacement part.

Fishslayer
September 3, 2011, 12:02 AM
Kinda curious. How much does the lube weigh?

I don't think I've ever weighed a pistol bullet except when I had a bunch of mixed bag oddballs that needed sorting..

bluetopper
September 3, 2011, 12:19 AM
As long as the weight is consistent between bullets is really what matters, so they group well. The lube weighs a few grains itself.

Seedtick
September 3, 2011, 12:55 PM
Brad, make sure it is a 'weak side' body part.

You don't want to slow the production of said packaging employee.

Seedtick

:)

Jesse Heywood
September 3, 2011, 07:51 PM
Anyhow, in the shipping carton, you will receive a separate plastic bag containing a body part which was formerly attached to our packaging person.


Makes me glad I don't work for Brad. But I would lose a lot of weight in a hurry. :D

Gadzooks Mike
September 4, 2011, 03:34 PM
Anyhow, in the shipping carton, you will receive a separate plastic bag containing a body part which was formerly attached to our packaging person.


This is what is known as getting a leg up on the competition.

ljnowell
September 4, 2011, 05:24 PM
This is what is known as getting a leg up on the competition.
:D :)

oldreloader
September 4, 2011, 06:32 PM
MBC is one of the few companies left with that much pride and integrity. No better bullets or service anywhere! Brad is a standup guy!!

gacajun
September 4, 2011, 08:24 PM
I weighed a few from my first two or three orders and they were within one grain. I haven't felt the need to do that since then. Quality has always been great and the shipping has been fast. I've ordered several times on Friday and my mail lady had back problems hauling up the box on the following Monday.

MBC is one of the few really great suppliers I've found.

glockky
September 4, 2011, 08:33 PM
Try mastercast.net prices are good and service is also great, plus he will send you samples for free. I have tried missouri bullet but was not happy with there prices for the quality of bullets i recieved. Mastercastbullets.com is great too just right now Mike is having some knee trouble and not able to make any bullets, but whenever i talked to him the other day he was hoping to be able to start taking orders again in a couple weeks.

MissouriBullet
September 4, 2011, 08:50 PM
Try mastercast.net prices are good and service is also great, plus he will send you samples for free. I have tried missouri bullet but was not happy with there prices for the quality of bullets i recieved. Mastercastbullets.com is great too just right now Mike is having some knee trouble and not able to make any bullets, but whenever i talked to him the other day he was hoping to be able to start taking orders again in a couple weeks.
Out of curiosity, did you notify me of a problem and if so, did I fail to handle it to your satisfaction?

Thank you.

Brad

Tilos
September 4, 2011, 08:59 PM
Yep, I've tried buying bullets from ANOTHER major supplier but had a few questions and he acted like I should know the answers.
I asked about the weight of 1000 of xxx bullets and got a formula to calculate the weight in response...gee thanks.
I ordered anyway, and not only got the wrong weight bullets but the wrong CALIBER!!
So I called and was told "no, that didn't happen"...sent a pic of the box, no response.
So I guess to him, I'm an idiot, but this idiot is not HIS customer anymore.

From then on I ordered from MBC...life is good,
Tilos

glockky
September 4, 2011, 09:07 PM
No i didnt notify you, because i bought 500 to test and see if i like them because you guys dont send out free samples, so i bought them for testing pursposes. I didnt feel the need to contact you because you would have to change you whole manufacturing process in order to deliver what i have found other places for cheaper prices. Your lube was too hard, bullets were undersized, and were harder than advertised. So i just accepted this as a learning curve that cost me 40 bucks.

MissouriBullet
September 4, 2011, 09:24 PM
No i didnt notify you, because i bought 500 to test and see if i like them because you guys dont send out free samples, so i bought them for testing pursposes. I didnt feel the need to contact you because you would have to change you whole manufacturing process in order to deliver what i have found other places for cheaper prices. Your lube was too hard, bullets were undersized, and were harder than advertised. So i just accepted this as a learning curve that cost me 40 bucks.
Thompson's Blue Angel is too hard? Compared to what? I have honestly not heard that Blue Angel is "too hard" before. The bullets were harder than 18 BHN? That just isn't possible with 2/6/92 foundry alloy and I have the certified analysis report from the March alloy purchase from which your bullets were made. And undersized? Our dies are .452 and can't squeeze them down any tighter than that.

I have credited your card back the full purchase price of your order. I am sorry that it didn't work out to your satisfaction.

Thank you.

Brad

ljnowell
September 4, 2011, 09:46 PM
Thompson's Blue Angel is too hard? Compared to what? I have honestly not heard that Blue Angel is "too hard" before. The bullets were harder than 18 BHN? That just isn't possible with 2/6/92 foundry alloy and I have the certified analysis report from the March alloy purchase from which your bullets were made. And undersized? Our dies are .452 and can't squeeze them down any tighter than that.

I have credited your card back the full purchase price of your order. I am sorry that it didn't work out to your satisfaction.

Thank you.

Brad
Bravo Brad.

REL1203
September 4, 2011, 09:49 PM
And this is why I am about to order my first ever lead bullet order and it will be from Brad. MBC stands by their product. Brad, you have earned my business and expect an order from me in the morning.

ljnowell
September 4, 2011, 09:55 PM
And this is why I am about to order my first ever lead bullet order and it will be from Brad. MBC stands by their product. Brad, you have earned my business and expect an order from me in the morning.

Score another for Missouri Bullet! Trust me, once you start buying them, you wont stop.

glockky
September 4, 2011, 10:17 PM
Wow what customer service.I didnt expect customer service to be this impressive, maybe I will give you another shot because i would really like to do business with someone like this. I need some 44's.

Woody3
September 4, 2011, 10:48 PM
I haven't bought from brad or any other cast boolit company but given his customer support, when I do it will be from brad.
Bravo Zulu to you for being a man of your word and for fully backing you product and company.

Woody


Keep your head low and your powder dry.

J_McLeod
September 4, 2011, 10:55 PM
Now I'm seriously considering placing an order even though I still haven't even loaded 2/3 of my last MBC order

bds
September 5, 2011, 12:01 AM
Your lube was too hard, bullets were undersized, and were harder than advertised.
I have shot well over 10,000 rounds of MBC bullets in 9mm, 40S&W and 45ACP and even when delivered all the way to California, the blue lube stays intact and pliable (even when shipped during cold winter). Nothing like other commercial lead bullets I have used, some with crayon like hard lube that chipped, cracked and fell apart when I got them.

As Brad posted, I have yet to come across an undersized bullet.


Wow what customer service. I didnt expect customer service to be this impressive, maybe I will give you another shot because i would really like to do business with someone like this. I need some 44's.
MBC customer service has been first class and Brad is good about resolving customer issues. Give them another try.

FROGO207
September 5, 2011, 07:52 AM
I have been more than happy with Brads bullets in my firearms. The only downside is I load some oddball pistol/revolver rounds and he does not offer what I need yet.:eek: I will wait for him to expand his line offered and I am sure he will get most of them into production sooner or later. I just don't see the need for him to buy molds for say 82 grain 32 RN H&R any time soon as I only buy about 300 a year these days and it is not that popular anyway.;) Now for the high volume stuff there is no comparison on the quality/price for all his bullets IMHO.:D I hope if glockky buys some more and loads them he finds a great load for his pistols. That brings up a question for you Brad. Instead of 500 of any one bullet could you offer a sample of all the sizes in that particular cal or some mix and match cal of say 100 each in 500 min QTY at a fixed price that is cost effective for you to help those like glockky try out your bullets? I know about your add a sample with a regular order and I have done that myself. With the cost of everything in general these days I can see that a new customer might not want to spring for 500 of something that he could possibly choose not use most of for whatever reason.

Jesse Heywood
September 5, 2011, 03:02 PM
I have no complaints with MBC bullets. My mailman does not have the same opinion. :D Something about the 65 lb boxes.

Nanook
September 5, 2011, 04:06 PM
On top of all of this, MBC ships faster than just about anybody else. I placed an order Labor Day before last, and had the order on Thursday of that week.

I didn't even expect the order to be handled until Tuesday or Wednesday.

They will continue to get my business.

REL1203
September 5, 2011, 06:35 PM
True to my word, I just placed my first order with Brad and MBC, i ordered 1k IDP #1's, and since i was ordering, figured i would also order 1k 230g Softballs for good measure.

Thanks for being such a stand up guy Brad.

kingmt
September 5, 2011, 06:56 PM
I just started using lead bullets recently & made my first order with MBC. I got a bunch of bullets that I didn't think was quality bullets so I started a thread on here to ask about them not stating who they came from. I got quick replies from not only Brad but other member/makers on here saying if they were theirs they would be replaced. I have no problem dealing with a mistake as long as I get good CS & the problem is taken care of but it speaks miles when they track you down to fix a problem before you have even told them there is one. I have ordered MBC bullets since from PV(because I was ordering there anyways & they gave me free shipping) & I will probably order only them from now on.

Seedtick
September 5, 2011, 11:19 PM
I have no complaints with MBC bullets. My mailman does not have the same opinion. :D Something about the 65 lb boxes.

+1

Yep, he ain't no 'rock star' with some in the USPS......even as bad as they need the business. :evil:

Seedtick

:)

Win1892
September 5, 2011, 11:39 PM
My last MBC order was 12,000 pcs, mostly 45ACP. My company mailbox has a lockbox for packages. Pulling into the driveway one afternoon I knew my bullets had been delivered. The whole mailbox was leaning.

StandingTall
September 6, 2011, 10:16 AM
I have credited your card back the full purchase price of your order. I am sorry that it didn't work out to your satisfaction.

Thank you.

Brad
This is the reason MBC will continue to get my business....that and the quality of their work.

Hizzoner
September 6, 2011, 09:38 PM
Jo Ann and I had already made a note to re-ship your order tomorrow after we received your email this afternoon and I had intended to reply to it when I came in from the shop, which was just a few minutes ago and then I saw your post here.

Anyhow, in the shipping carton, you will receive a separate plastic bag containing a body part which was formerly attached to our packaging person.

I am very upset about this mistake and am very sorry that it happened. We will take care of it.

Brad

ps - fortunately for the employee, we do provide medical insurance
Even with the Holiday weekend I received my replacement order today.
Thank you Brad!
Thankfully there were no body parts included.
Although, I have to tell you, I decided to weigh a few bullets from this batch just to check.
Murphy's Law being what it is, there was ONE 203gr bullet in the box and it was the first one I weighed.
OCD kicked in and I weighed another 50 bullets which were all between 187 and 189 grains.
Thanks again.

Super.45
September 7, 2011, 12:41 PM
I think getting a box of mislabled bullets would be bad enough but finding even one in the replacement box that was wrong would be unacceptable to me. If you were working up full powered loads and one bullet that was over weight by that much could cause some serious problems and maybe damge the gun or me.

I am not impressed no matter how fast the service. I would have to weigh them all to be safe and thats something I don't have time for. Just my thoughts.

MissouriBullet
September 7, 2011, 01:34 PM
I think getting a box of mislabled bullets would be bad enough but finding even one in the replacement box that was wrong would be unacceptable to me. If you were working up full powered loads and one bullet that was over weight by that much could cause some serious problems and maybe damge the gun or me.

I am not impressed no matter how fast the service. I would have to weigh them all to be safe and thats something I don't have time for. Just my thoughts.
Glad to hear that you've never made a mistake. There aren't many people of whom that is true, and I envy you.

As for me, I guess I feel like sometimes, you can't win for losing.

In my rush to get these bullets out ASAP, likely the 200 grain comparison bullet fell off the shelf into the shipping box. I shouldn't have been in such a rush and waited another day, but the mail truck was sitting in the driveway. I am sorry it happened.

Brad

Super.45
September 7, 2011, 02:42 PM
Its not a question of my never having made a mistake as everyone makes them.
Its a question of making the type of mistake that could cause some serious harm. Bad enough that happened with a mislabled box but worse in the fact that one or possibly more bullets in the replacement was wrong as well and had even greater potential for a serious reloading mishap.
I find that very unsettling and makes me leary of doing buisness with anyone with such problems. Just my opinion.

MissouriBullet
September 7, 2011, 03:09 PM
Its not a question of my never having made a mistake as everyone makes them.
Its a question of making the type of mistake that could cause some serious harm. Bad enough that happened with a mislabled box but worse in the fact that one or possibly more bullets in the replacement was wrong as well and had even greater potential for a serious reloading mishap.
I find that very unsettling and makes me leary of doing buisness with anyone with such problems. Just my opinion.
That's fine. Sorry we won't be getting your business. I had a whole box of random bullets queued up to ship to you :-)

Brad

Super.45
September 7, 2011, 03:18 PM
No Thanks, you can keep them along with your sarcasm. Your response has just convinced me and I'm sure now others as well; even further of the type of person I would be dealing with.
I guess dealing with some honest critiques is beyond you.

GimpyLeg
September 7, 2011, 03:25 PM
I find that very unsettling and makes me leary of doing buisness with anyone with such problems. Just my opinion.

I buy my lead bullets exclusively from MBC. Found Brad on another forum where they were harassing him for giving a vet discount. They said he was discriminating by only offering the ADDITIONAL discount to vets. :eek: :banghead: In fact Brad led me to this site. :)

Have worked with manufacturing companies for many years. Process errors happen. Customer service (MBC) fixed. Faith restored. MBC even went above and beyond and refunded $$ from a random forum post!

I will continue to buy lead exclusively from MBC! Just MY opinion.

PS - Just don't plan any new expansions or vacations based on the qtys I order... :)

StandingTall
September 7, 2011, 03:26 PM
Super.45 you are now honored with having the privilege of being the first person on my ignore list.

Super.45
September 7, 2011, 03:33 PM
Standing Tall , I could care less . I don't know you and don't want to know you. This didn't concern you so your ignorance is just showing.

Whacked
September 7, 2011, 04:17 PM
I received my order from MBC FAST!!!

I ordered 500 cowboy #4 200gr RNFP in .452dia

on a whim, I grabbed 20 of them and weighed them using a laboratory grade scale
most of them fell in the 205.250gr with 2 at 206.793gr and 7 at 203.707gr
thats a max difference of 3.083 grains

I'm happy with my order. Definitely be ordering from MBC again.

Brad: Just one small issue. I didn't see a tracking # in the email order confirmation. Since it shipped and received so fast its really a non-issue on my part. but if problems do arise it would be a good idea to include that info.
I also vote for a variety/sample pack to be offered.

MissouriBullet
September 7, 2011, 04:47 PM
No Thanks, you can keep them along with your sarcasm. Your response has just convinced me and I'm sure now others as well; even further of the type of person I would be dealing with.
I guess dealing with some honest critiques is beyond you.
Actually, I accepted the criticism. I made a little joke about it but in no way dodged it.

But never mind. I just viewed your user profile and see what's going on.

Brad

MissouriBullet
September 7, 2011, 04:51 PM
I received my order from MBC FAST!!!

I ordered 500 cowboy #4 200gr RNFP in .452dia

on a whim, I grabbed 20 of them and weighed them using a laboratory grade scale
most of them fell in the 205.250gr with 2 at 206.793gr and 7 at 203.707gr
thats a max difference of 3.083 grains

I'm happy with my order. Definitely be ordering from MBC again.

Brad: Just one small issue. I didn't see a tracking # in the email order confirmation. Since it shipped and received so fast its really a non-issue on my part. but if problems do arise it would be a good idea to include that info.
I also vote for a variety/sample pack to be offered.
I am glad they got there for you quickly.

We could do the tracking numbers but it another step that slows us down, given the volume of our shipping. Routinely excavating the tracking number and including it in the shipping confirmation emails would result in our not being able to keep our shipping response so fast. We will look up the tracking number upon request, but we ask that it not be requested until 4 days have passed since the shipment was picked up.

Brad

1KPerDay
September 7, 2011, 04:57 PM
No Thanks, you can keep them along with your sarcasm. Your response has just convinced me and I'm sure now others as well; even further of the type of person I would be dealing with.
Yep, it convinced me to put in an order...

crimsoncomet
September 7, 2011, 05:19 PM
I am very happy with MBC. Excellent excellent product with fast shipping. I have never seen customer like this before though. It is great buying from honest people and supporting the U.S. economy.

REL1203
September 7, 2011, 05:29 PM
Originally Posted by Super.45
No Thanks, you can keep them along with your sarcasm. Your response has just convinced me and I'm sure now others as well; even further of the type of person I would be dealing with.
I guess dealing with some honest critiques is beyond you.

Ha, if anything, this makes me want to order more from Brad. I like a guy who can make a good joke... Well done Brad, your sense of Humor is appreciated.

Super.45
September 7, 2011, 05:35 PM
Yes I am sure you enjoy a good joke, I'm sure you'll be laughing as hard as I am if you get one of those overweight bullets and it blows up your gun.
It will be hilarious.

TexasRifleman
September 7, 2011, 06:26 PM
Well this got a little out of hand. Staff is reviewing the actions of some members in this thread but for now we will close it.

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