Boberg Arms question?

Did they ever get their XR9 series of pistols in production yet? This pistol interests me because if it works, it will be very different in the way that it feeds rounds from the magazine to the chamber, compared to almost all other simi-auto pistols. I'm hopeful that this pistol comes to market and really works too. LM

If things go well, it appears that the very first group of pre-ordered pistols will be sent out in the next week or two.

Well - I looked at his forum/blog and he has to rework some parts that were out of spec...it seems at every stage - something is amiss.

It's a very interesting gun. I've been following the developments for a long time now. I suppose it is not easy to bring a new gun out in this economy, especially with such an uncommon design. But as long as it is vaporware, I can't take it too seriously. I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt though. There are some youtube videos out there showing the gun firing. We'll see how the new guns work, when/if they get into people's hands.

it seems at every stage - something is amiss.

Huh? Every stage? What are you basing that comment on?

My hope is that, when this pistol is ready to hit the market, it has all the bugs worked out. Unlike other firearms that have been relieased before they were ready, and have the recalls afterwards. IMO It seems as though the company is trying to get it right the first time, because of the long delays of bringing this gun to the hands of buyers. LM

It is a great idea if it turns out to be reliable. Having service pistol power in a pocket sized weapon that is.

It looks to me if the kahr pm/cm and boberg where over layed at the barrel tip not the grip they would be very close to the same size with the kahr being lighter loaded than the boberg is empty. The boberg also looks to be rather complicated.

They are about the same size, but the boberg has a longer barrel, hence the greater weight. It generates about 25% more muzzle energy than other pocket nines.

Also has a 7 round magazine without being any taller.

Does anyone find it interesting that boberg gets higher velocity than hornady rates there ammo at. Some of the claims may be a max high velocity against a well used barrel showing the lowest velocity of a given group. I have found my cm9 kahr when compared to factory rateing to be just what would be expected for a shorter barrel. Time will tell right. + pre-production barrel velocity rateings tend to be a bit differnt than production barrels. Anyone know what the width of the pistol is. Didn't see it in there info.

Hum
the Boberg kick is that has an EXTRA inch of barrel, so you get compact+ barrel length out of a 'pocket' auto.

I got that part but boberg as claiming that there barrel gets more fps than horandy's ammo in a 4" barrel. . Something ain't right.

As far as I know, the Bobergs are about as common as the VLTOR Bren Tens. A whole lotta hype, but no visible results. That's too bad, because I'd love to have one, but until they actually show some results, I'm not gonna sit around waiting on them. JMHO, of course.

As far as I can tell the company was started in 2008 and hasn't produced one production gun. I won't be holding my breath waiting for one. I am not sure how they stay in business unless he is a job shop and trying to manufacture a gun on the side. Seems like a nice enough guy on his web site forum.

Does anyone find it interesting that boberg gets higher velocity than hornady rates there ammo at.

Maybe it uses polygonal rifling or something.

As far as I know, the Bobergs are about as common as the VLTOR Bren Tens.

You know I haven't followed those, mostly because my spare cash has been going other places, but they haven't been able to produce those either? That's disappointing, I thought they were supposed to be out a couple years ago already.

if you read their website carefully you will see they are using plus P numbers for the Boberg but standard ammo numbers for the other pocket gun because "it is not rated for plus P". Not hardly a fair comparison.

Sure it is. Why not use he highest power the gun is designed for. Just because gun A was not designed strong enough to use +p why would that be a reason for gun B NOT to use +p even though it was designed strong enough to use it?

"Not hardly a fair comparison." Sounds like a weak argument to me.

Nope. Far as I know, not a single VLTOR Bren Ten has hit the market.

My kahrs shoot +p ammo. But my cm9 is carried with hornady 115gr cd at 1108fps avage.
My cw9 shoots georgia arms 124gr speer at 1175fps average.

A buddy wanted to do video on some ammo I had. georgia arms 124gr+P rated at 1200fps. My 12 year old glock 17 was used and it shot a high of 1204 and a low of 1199fps on a f1 chrony. I don't shoot 147gr loads.

hardluk1, that is an EXTREMELY low deviation. 5fp? That's way below anything I've seen in factory ammo, and 124gr. +p in particular. Usually I have about a 30-40fps spread whatever factory ammo I shoot in that load. Was this new georgia arms? The Glock 17 should usually push closer to 1250fps with a 124gr. +p.

if you read their website carefully you will see they are using plus P numbers for the Boberg but standard ammo numbers for the other pocket gun because "it is not rated for plus P". Not hardly a fair comparison.

I saw that. Yeah, 1" of barrel does not amount to 120 FPS velocity increase.

It's a unique concept, but I believe it is over-complicated and offers no real advantage. You also give up a slide that locks open on an empty mag. It's only .32" shorter than a PM9 with only .35" more barrel, and it's taller, wider and heavier. KT PF-9 is the same height and only .7" longer, but is also thinner and 5 oz lighter.

Length is not the difficult part of concealment anyway; Width and height are.

P3AT and a lot of other pocket guns like the AMT's don't have a slide lock either, but I rarely hear people complain about it.

I agree chunkiness and height is an issue. The weight doesn't seem too bad though, I typically pocket a metal Kahr or an AMT Backup .45 I should mention which is slightly heavier still, so I don't see the fuss on that. This gun is lighter than both of those.

Me thinks Rohrbaugh is to fine Arabian pony what Boberg is to UNICORN.

LoL! You may be right. I hope you are not though because I really love the concept of this gun.

outerlimits The ammo was georgia arms

As far as I know, the Bobergs are about as common as the VLTOR Bren Tens. A whole lotta hype, but no visible results.

As far as I can tell the company was started in 2008 and hasn't produced one production gun. I won't be holding my breath waiting for one. I am not sure how they stay in business unless he is a job shop and trying to manufacture a gun on the side.

They shipped their first batch of guns, with another ~2x larger batch coming soon.

Sure it is. Why not use he highest power the gun is designed for. Just because gun A was not designed strong enough to use +p why would that be a reason for gun B NOT to use +p even though it was designed strong enough to use it?

"Not hardly a fair comparison." Sounds like a weak argument to me.

Then why not compare it to the Kel-Tec PF-9 which will handle +P ammo? If you don't compare apples to apples it is the worst kind of BS lying.

"Similar-sized gun is not +P rated"

The similar-sized gun is also smaller and lighter. And been available for many years. We'll see what comes of this long birthing process.

John

If they made a straight up fair comparison it would not make there boberg special look so great. They rely on they people buying with out out research.

Mine just arrived at my FFL today. SN #37

Looks & feels great. Maybe I'll have to take Friday off & go to the range.

OcelotZ3, sounds great, would really like a range report and icing on the cake would be pic's or even better a video of shooting your new gun. Congrats, LM.
BTW If you don't mind, what's the going price on these pistols?

Looks pretty real to me!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO3-730rlDQ&feature=youtu.be

Can't wait for a range report!!!! Got a chronograph?

Let us know soon. Thanks and good luck with it.

Then why not compare it to the Kel-Tec PF-9 which will handle +P ammo? If you don't compare apples to apples it is the worst kind of BS lying.

What kind of +P ammo will the Kel-Tec PF9 handle, then? My PF9 was shooting 4" high at 12 feet (distance to chronograph stop) with Black Hills 124 gr JHP +P. Just because a gun can "handle" the hotter ammo (despite the manufacturers warning) doesn't mean it won't shoot wildly off-target. Could it be that the barrel is tilting before the bullet has left? If so, why doesn't Kel-Tec tell anyone about this? Or is it easier to just say, "don't shoot +P" just like everyone else does?

And as far as comparing "apples to apples" - we never had any intentions on copying polymer pocket nines made by Kel-Tec, Kahr, Cobra, Diamondback, Sccy, Ruger, Taurus, Sig, and now Beretta and competing with them in a price war.

"Maybe I'll have to take Friday off & go to the range."

That was the 14th. Where'd he go?

Maybe he's still there...

Well, the gun is real - there have been pics of cases of frames, and partially assembled guns up on the Boberg forum for some time now. That has never been a serious concern.

The concern is whether they will ever get to the point where a customer can just up and buy one of their guns without being muddled in a order queue.

A guy over on TFL has one. He did a review a week or two ago.

The design is very unusual. It uses an arm to feed the next round into the chamber from a magazine that does not use a follower. He seems to be happy with it. We'll see how it goes in the long run. Personally, I see it winding up as a $1000 novelty/niche item. It does have a very ergo-looking modern styling to it.

As always, I'll let others buy 'em and be the guinea pigs.

Partiently waiting for my pre-order!

Impatiently waiting for mine.

I'm sure, since they're 1000 dollars a pop, even if they're a POS, no one will think so. I can think of other examples, but no gun war threadjacks, I suppose. :D No judgement passing on this new gun, though. I'm waiting on the guinea pigs to report. :D

One thing I did notice, the gun looks like it sits high OVER the hand, not real good for muzzle flip and, well, it's gonna be light and in 9x19+P.