185 gr xtp 45 ACP - Win 231 load Data Needed


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jcerillo70
September 4, 2011, 02:11 PM
Hey guys,

I got a squib at 5.4 gr W231 in my 5'' 1911.

I was wondering what how much powder and your OAL for the 185 gr XTP in your 45 ACP. with Win 231

-This will be a "Carry" Round, so it needs a little UMPF ;)

I got 1000 of these with my press so looks like i have some work to do.

Also do you factory crimp yours?

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buck460XVR
September 4, 2011, 02:42 PM
What does your manual say? If you used the Hornady manual you already know you are below the minimum starting load by 10%.

jcerillo70
September 4, 2011, 02:44 PM
Cartridge: 45 ACP
Load Type: Pistol


Starting Loads - 5.0 gr


Maximum Loads - 5.9 gr

1.135 OAL

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i just wanted to know what others find to be a good load with this bullet and powder combo

bds
September 4, 2011, 04:40 PM
I don't think 5.4 gr of W231 will cause a squib in any barrel. Probably more like no powder and primer ignition only.

I don't load that bullet, but used W231/HP-38 for 185 gr Remington Golden Saber JHP and Berry's HBRN with good results for target shooting.

Lyman #49 lists 4.4-6.1 gr for Hornady 185 gr JHP/XTP at 1.175" OAL and Hodgdon load data lists 5.0-5.9 gr for Hornady 185 gr JSWC at 1.135" OAL.

For full power SD/HD loads, I have been using WSF.

I normally taper crimp jacketed .451" diameter bullets to .470". I don't use FCD.

rcmodel
September 4, 2011, 05:30 PM
+1

Whatever caused the squib for sure wasn't the powder charge or the OAL.

I'd say you forgot to put the powder in it!
Might want to review your charging & checking methods

rc

buck460XVR
September 4, 2011, 05:36 PM
Hornady's recipe for its 185JHP using W231 is a starting load of 5.9 to a max of 7.2. OAL is 1.230. I've used 6.4 in my 5'' government with good results.

jcerillo70...are you using Hodgdon's recipe for a 185gr JSWC instead of a recipe for a 185 XTP? While it is true one can use similar recipes for similar bullets, the profile of the XTP as compared to the JSWC makes for a big difference in OAL.

I too doubt that even tho your load was light, that seating your bullet almost .1 deeper than called for should have raised pressure enough that a squib was not caused by the light charge. I would suspect a case with no powder. How did the other rounds shoot?

357 Terms
September 4, 2011, 06:32 PM
^^ yep what buck460 said, I have (from Hornady) for the 185grn XTP 5.9 start-7.2 max c.o.l. 1.230. Speer gives a similiar weight for their 185 Gold dot (6.6-7.4)

jcerillo70
September 5, 2011, 03:07 AM
starting load of 5.9 to a max of 7.2. OAL is 1.230. I've used 6.4 in my 5'' government with good results

Thanks guys. Thats what i needed. ;)

357Shooter
September 5, 2011, 06:29 AM
Hornady's 8th Edition calls for start: 6.4g W231 @ 850FPS, 5" Colt Barrel,
Max: 7.2g W231 @ 950FPS, 5" Colt Barrel, C.O.L. 1.225"

Are you guys using an older edition, must be the difference...

REL1203
September 5, 2011, 07:47 AM
With my 500 free bullets with my LNL AP I went with 6.9 w231 and it's deadly accurate. Decent amount of recoil though but that's to be expected

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