Bianchi holster/GP100...snap will not close


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Warp
September 12, 2011, 07:39 PM
I picked up a NIB GP100 today. 4" stainless .357, of course. I even fired it at the range before leaving the store.

The problem is that the holster I got for it just plain doesn't fit. It is a Bianci Shadow II purchased from Optics Planet and it is supposed to fit my gun. The snap just doesn't fit. It is as if it was made without taking the hammer into consideration. I pushed the gun into the holster as far as it will go...it IS in the holster all the way. Is there anything I could possibly be missing here before I contact Optics Planet about a return and shop for something different?

I tried like hell to get the snap shut but I just can't no matter what I do

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g105/austin3161324/cc297424.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g105/austin3161324/9560ef52.jpg

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Too_Pure
September 12, 2011, 07:44 PM
This is why I would never by a holster at a gunshop, or Cabelas. Spend the extra and get something decent.

I know many of you have had okay experiences with these things, but I have not, and niether is the OP. Now we'll wait for people to tell him he needs to stretch it and break it in.

Also, a thumb break is a bad idea. If the holster has acceptable retention it is unecessary and dangerous.

Warp
September 12, 2011, 07:48 PM
There shouldn't be anything wrong with a Bianchi product.

I even started a thread in this forum stating what I wanted to use it for, the gun, and asked if that holster was a good choice and if anybody could name something better. The consensus was my choice was good.

And I didn't buy it at the gun shop or cabelas. I mean...did you even read my post? It's not like it was long....


And I call bull crap on a thumb break being a bad idea. I also call bull crap on your claim that openly carrying a pistol without an active retention device is a good idea. Before you go telling people that I suggest you engage in some force on force training where somebody attempts to relieve you of your pistol.


By all means, tell me what you think I should buy.

Too_Pure
September 12, 2011, 07:59 PM
But it is a brand commenly stocked at gunshops. Presumably because they are cheap. You seem offended. Fine. It wasn't my intent. I have had junk holsters and learned by wasting my money that you get what you pay for. I am new to revolvers and do not own a revolver holster yet. I will assume that the same principles of quality apply. From what I've been able to gather I would probably get a pancake holster.

Warp
September 12, 2011, 08:01 PM
I have two other holsters that are almost identical. Same price point, same availability, same design, same material, everything. They look like they were separated at birth. The two I have work PERFECTLY and are EXACTLY what I wanted. (Galco COP 3 slot). There is no reason to believe a $40 Bianchi holster is cheap junk simply because gun shops often carry their products.



What pancake holster? Be specific.

Elm Creek Smith
September 12, 2011, 08:40 PM
I have exactly the same holster for my S&W Model 681 and had the same problem initially with the thumb break not snapping. It took me a while, but I was finally able to get it snapped. The "problem" is that leather stretches, and Bianchi apparently builds their holsters with this in mind so the thumb break, even after the natural stretching of the leather, will secure the revolver. I would just keep working on it.

ECS

Warp
September 12, 2011, 08:53 PM
I pulled like hell on it every which way. No go. I then checked reviews on Optaics Planet and somebody else said the same thing. I already printed an RMA. Other manufacturers of similar holsters...like the Galcop COP 3 slot...don't seem to have a problem with it. I even cut my thumb struggling with the snap.

Warp
September 12, 2011, 08:56 PM
So what are the other options? I couldn't find much when I looked before

Zebraranger
September 12, 2011, 09:31 PM
Elm Creek is correct. A lot of new leather holsters are tight, but will break in as the leather does stretch. I've had the exact same issue with Bianchi and Desantis leather holsters with the thumb break. You can help speed up the process by inserting the gun in a thin sock, insert into the holster and if you can get the snap in place, leave it overnight. This will help a lot. Desantis actually recommends this with their instructions that come with their thumb break holsters. I'm pretty active and also believe in thumb break holsters, I've used thumb breaks regularly for years.

Warp
September 12, 2011, 09:41 PM
I can't get the snap in place. It cannot get stretched when it cannot be closed


I mean, short of getting my pliers out and risking damage to the holster it isn't happening

Warp
September 12, 2011, 09:54 PM
Broke out the wrench and pliers. Went at it until I thought it would rip apart. Still won't snap. This is simply unacceptabe to me.

David E
September 12, 2011, 10:04 PM
When I've come across this situation, I've always been able to carefully and forcefully press the male snap side of leather up and around the hammer sharply, not allowing any rounding of the leather to occur. It should go straight up the hammer, angle over the top then angle straight down towards the female side of things. Picture the bottom 1/2 of a capital "A" as it goes over the hammer.

Then, press the female side up tightly, catching the lip of the one-way snap first, while continuing to press upward. Once snapped, leave it!

I've never been skunked doing it this way.

This presumes, of course, your holster isn't mismarked. Does it say anything on the holster itself?

billybob44
September 12, 2011, 10:18 PM
From what I can see, everything on your end is right. That is the correct holster for that GP.
I would venture to say that the strap portion was just cut short. I also would bet that a "K" frame Smith would fit that holster perfect.
The tag on the box says that it should also fit "L" frames+GP-100's, but as you said, that's not the case.
Do you have access to a K frame 4" to check?
FWIW, I just bought a used Safariland 4" lined holster that fits my K,L frames, my GP-100, and my Colt Lawman. The difference in mine+yours is that the thumb snap tab is on an adjustable slot--loosen a Phillips screw and move to fit..Works GREAT..
I know this post is no help for your problem--Contact Bianchi...Bill..:confused:

Warp
September 12, 2011, 10:22 PM
I tried what you said, David. I tried it all. It got closer but still wouldn't snap...and I wasn't leaving any slack at all. I was afraid I would end up yanking the buttos out, even.

Billy: No access to a K frame.

Surely there is another option? I am going to return the holster for a refund and, hopefully, go with something else. But nobody...between three different forums now...has come up with anything else out there that meets my requirements.

Finding holsters for my Glocks is SO much eaiser

Strykervet
September 12, 2011, 10:33 PM
I have two other holsters that are almost identical. Same price point, same availability, same design, same material, everything. They look like they were separated at birth. The two I have work PERFECTLY and are EXACTLY what I wanted. (Galco COP 3 slot). There is no reason to believe a $40 Bianchi holster is cheap junk simply because gun shops often carry their products.



What pancake holster? Be specific.
Not to dispute you or whatever, but the quality stuff like Milt Sparks, Alessi, and Mitch Rosen ARE better. They really are.

Galco and Bianchi make a LOT of holsters. With that kind of production, bad ones are bound to get out. Try swapping it out. With Milt Sparks, each one is hand made, and they only have 6 guys.

I wasted money on holsters in the past, enough to buy a decent piece. Now I just go straight with Milt, they have the best stuff for the best price. They really are just a little more than Galco but WAAAY better. I love my VMII's, I have two for my G29 and G27 and will probably get another for a G21.

Sorry about your troubles, but I've seen it before with those two big makers, Galco and Bianchi. They make good stuff, when it fits. Besides having this issue, they sometimes are too tight or too loose. Never had these problems with the custom makers.

Warp
September 12, 2011, 10:40 PM
Yeah...and the milt sparks order I just placed includes a 6-8 month wait.

Can you please point out the mitch rosin, alessi or milt sparks holtser that meets my requirements?

4" GP100
Active retention
OWB
Preferably leather

savit260
September 12, 2011, 10:44 PM
What you have is a holster that is supposed to fit what appears to be many mid frame revolvers. It's basicly a generic holster that should fit anything form a K frame to an L frame or Ruger GP-100. You'll notice a GP-100 is a good bit bigger than a K frame.

If you want good results from a holster, I'd suggest getting one that is made specifically for a GP-100, not some multi-fit job (prob. designed around the ubiquitous, and smaller K frame)

I'd suggest companies like.

Simply Rugged
High Noon
Bell CHarter Oak
El Passo Saddlery
etc.. etc. etc.

Yes, they will cost a bit more, and you'll have to wait for it to be made, but you WILL have a holster that fits your specific gun correctly.

Going with a Bianchi generic type holster, you might get lucky or you might not. I'm sure you can see the trigger guard doesn't really fit all that well either. Sure looks like it would fit a K frame though.

Warp
September 12, 2011, 10:50 PM
Which High noon? The Sky High looks closest to what I want but they dont list the GP100 as an available gun model

People keep throwing out the names of holster makers but they don't make what I am looking for

savit260
September 12, 2011, 10:56 PM
Here ya go.

Pick one you like.

They offer thumb breaks as an option, along with a bunch of other options... just like any decent custom makers are going to offer.

Tell 'em what you want, and they'll likely make it for you.

http://tuckergunleather.com/beltholsters1.html

savit260
September 12, 2011, 11:05 PM
Here's another option for you

http://www.lobogunleather.com/3_model_1_pancake_style_holster


Personally, I like Simply Rugged Holsters, but I don't see a thumb break option any more, although I know Rob used to build one called the "Tribute"
You could give him a shout as well, and see if he'll whip one up for you.
Super guy to work with.

357 Terms
September 12, 2011, 11:14 PM
Desperete measure; soak the Bianchi in hot water till there are no air bubbles, then put the Ruger in a plastic bag, shove that gun in the holster and try to snap it, if it snaps keep it in there till the leather dries.Oil the leather after drying.

AK_Maine_iac
September 13, 2011, 02:02 AM
http://www.simplyrugged.com/sourdough-pancake/

Everyone i know that has one of these loves them. I know i do for my revolvers.

For my Glocks, XD's and 1911 this is what i like.
http://tennesseeholstercompany.com

rayban
September 13, 2011, 08:09 AM
There's no need to wet the entire holster......just hold that strap under hot running water for just a couple seconds, then stretch it over and snap it, let it cool/dry.
You don't have to soak it, just get it hot.....steam works too.
When it's dry, apply your favorite leather conditioner.
You haven't hurt anything.

eddielewis
September 13, 2011, 11:08 AM
Looks like the ruger is not going all the way in the holster from the op's pic. I had the same problem with my ruger in the same holster. If you will keep working it you will be able to get the gun all the way in the holster and all should be well.

Warp
September 13, 2011, 11:44 AM
I contacted Tucker Gunleather. I told them, generally, what I wanted. They said no retention devices are available. Next company to try?

rayban
September 13, 2011, 11:49 AM
Eddie, looks to me like the trigger guard is already stressing on the stitch line, I doubt he can go any further.

JTQ
September 13, 2011, 01:49 PM
Simply Rugged "Tribute", specifically lists the GP100.
http://www.simplyrugged.com/the-tribute/

These makers show thumb break models and make holsters for revolvers, though they don't specifically list the GP100.

Andrews "Saddle Style".
http://www.andrewsleather.com/traditional.htm

Kirkpatrick Gun Leather
http://www.kirkpatrickleather.com/concealment/2000-challenger-79

Davis Gun Leather
http://davisleathercompany.com/concealedcarry/

El Paso Saddlery
http://www.epsaddlery.com/c-20-strongside.aspx

Warp
September 13, 2011, 03:16 PM
Edit: the tribute might be it

jem375
September 13, 2011, 03:23 PM
I have the Bianchi #111 for my 4" GP100 and it works just fine if you are still looking for a Bianchi holster.. sorry to hear about your troubles, you could wet the strap down and stretch it or just send it back for a refund..

PotatoJudge
September 13, 2011, 03:28 PM
Don't wet the strap. It'll quickly become brittle and the holster will be ruined.

Eaglestroker
September 14, 2011, 02:20 AM
Sorry about your new holster woes Warp. Even the big names get one wrong from time to time.

Warp
September 14, 2011, 04:31 PM
I just placed an order for a Simply Rugged Tribute.

From what I have read the past day I trust it will be a fine holster. I just hope that it doesn't take too long to be produced/shipped.

http://www.simplyrugged.com/the-tribute/

savit260
September 14, 2011, 09:40 PM
Rob at Simply Rugged is one of the best guys out there, and his turn around time isn't usually too long.

I've had very good luck with his holsters.

Never saw the need for the thumb break though... The retention is pretty good as you can see, or I wouldn't be doing this with a Colt Python in it.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c337/savit260/Picture051.jpg

EVIL
September 17, 2011, 05:27 PM
Don't wet the strap. It'll quickly become brittle and the holster will be ruined.
You obviously know nothing about holster making or leatherwork ... Holsters are made by wet molding/forming. They can also get wet as long as they are properly dried & cared for after. Leather is an amazingly useful & resilient natural material.

Warp
September 30, 2011, 09:19 PM
Update (mostly so I have a reminder/easier time finding this thread later)

I got an email from Simply Rugged that my Tribute for a 4" GP100 shipped today.

I'll update with pictures and a quick word on it when it arrives. :)

Warp
October 3, 2011, 09:05 PM
The holster (Simply Rugged Tribute) arrived today. Here it is next to my other full size pistol, both in their OWB/open carry holsters.

The Tribute seems to be very well made from quality leather and it fits just right.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g105/austin3161324/fd113222.jpg

trex1310
October 4, 2011, 03:00 AM
Also, a thumb break is a bad idea. If the holster has acceptable retention it is unecessary and dangerous.

That's a new one on me. Define "acceptable retention". Acceptable
to whom? you or the guy trying to snatch your gun out of your
holster.

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