German hand gun


September 15, 2011, 04:10 PM
Looking for information and value on a gun I possess. It is marked with the eagle, MR near the trigger. Thanks

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September 15, 2011, 04:43 PM
Gonna have to have a lot more info then that.

It could be anything with only an eagle proof mark to go on.


September 15, 2011, 04:54 PM
If your gun was a car, here is what you would have posted. "I'm looking for information on a car I possess. It's marked with "Ford" on the grille."

Seriously, that's not even enough to begin to guess what you have.

A clear, in focus, picture would help a lot. A better description would also help.

September 15, 2011, 09:48 PM
If your gun was a car, here is what you would have posted. "I'm looking for information on a car I possess. It has headlights and wheels"

September 15, 2011, 09:58 PM
If you want a reasonable answer post some clear photograhs of your firearm, both sides and closeups of the markings. Then you should be able to get a answer instead of the ribbing you've gotten so far.:)

Shadow 7D
September 16, 2011, 12:16 AM
Yeah, so
this thread is worthless with out pictures

It's a gun with MR and an eagle
but other than than, we know it's a gun, as for what type of gun
or even if it's a pistol or revolver, yeah, IDK

September 16, 2011, 04:06 PM
Photos attached for your help with value. Thanks

September 16, 2011, 04:28 PM
Wartime production Fabrique Nationale Pistole "GP" ("Grand Puissance"), other wise known as the Browning Hi-Power. A 13-shot, 9mm Parabellum, single-action, semi-auto. The first modern high capacity military semi-auto to make a big splash in the world. When the Germans overran Belgium early in WWII, they simply appropriated the superlative design for issue to their own forces and had FN continue production. The early occupation weapons maintained the highly polished blue finish for which the weapon was famous, but as the war progressed, weapons produced for the Germans received a more utilitarian "military" finish (like yours). Guns built for business...not looks.

The Hi-Power is a truly classic handgun, in continuous production since before WWII, and still highly admired today. Once upon a time, it was the pistol which equipped many of our NATO allies and many other countries around the world. It was especially popular in Great Britain, where the weapon was used by most units, including the SAS (through the early 90s IIRC). Actually, some UK military outfits continue to issue them to this day. One of my UK Liaison Officers was packing a Browning just a year or two ago while in Iraq.

Go here for more info:

Be advised that the author of the site, Stephen Camp, passed away some months ago. His website is THE definitive source for info on BHPs.

General Description:

Value guestimate for your pistol (German issued, tangent sight, late war production, in the condition depicted): ~ $950. Possibly well over a thousand if you are patient and run it at auction on

Although the weapon displays rust & patina, ONLY CLEAN LIGHTLY IF YOU PLAN TO SELL. Your weapon appears to be all original, and collectors prefer original honest finish. If you intend to keep it, a little light bronze cleaning brush work with plenty of gun oil will take away some of the rust, but don't try to "polish the gun". You will detract from its sales value.

Here's one on GunBroker with asking price of $1075 (and an aftermarket barrel):

Realistically, another ~$950 gun. Or less.

September 16, 2011, 04:30 PM
More info on the High Power here...

Your pistol is a classic, designed by the foremost firearm designer of the 20th century.

September 16, 2011, 04:31 PM
Belgian made, Nazi used Browning High Power.

I didn't sign up for this site just to check the price, but here is one from an auction:

Found one here

You don't happen to have the wooden holster/ Buttstock, do you?

September 17, 2011, 10:49 AM
Designed by Ogden, UT native, and famous gun designer, John Moses Browning; father of the 1911.:cool: He designed the BAR and severral other machine guns, as well as a level action rifle which he sold the rights to; the Wincheser Model 94. Along with several succesful shotgun designs. I live 5 miles from a museum in his honor...

I have a NAZI-marked HP, but without the tangent sight. That sight adds a LOT of value.

September 17, 2011, 11:04 AM
That is a late war NAZI Hi Power, because the code WaA140 was the last one used. The later ones are rougher than the earlier ones, but the tangent sighted ones still command a premium. Depending on condition (and yours appears to be in good condition), it would be worth anywhere from $750 to $1200.

September 17, 2011, 11:22 AM
WOW... I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!!! Thank goodness you posted those photos with the serial number. I just looked and that's the Browning stolen from my great uncle back in 1995!!!! Where did you find it??? I'll PM my address so you can return it.



I never post the full serial number just to prevent scammers from trying stuff like this.:D

Lex Luthier
September 17, 2011, 07:30 PM
That's fantastic.

Jim K
September 17, 2011, 07:43 PM
To be a nitpicker, JMB did not really design the BHP, Saive did, after Browning's death in 1926. Browning's last patent shows a gun with some features of the final version, but different enough to show that little of the Browning concept was used. Regardless of Browning's role (or lack of it) in the design, FN had found that the Browning name was like money in the bank, so the pistol was called the Browning High Power, not the Saive High Power.


September 18, 2011, 01:27 PM
Actually, the HI Power is 90% JMB. I actually have a copy of the design submitted by JMB to FN. The only differences are that (because of French demands) Saive had to change the striker to a hammer, and add the mag disconnect. Saive also shortened the grip slightly, making the Hi Power a 13 round mag instead of the 15 round mag submitted by JMB.

The confusion has always been because JMB created two designs to cover all the bases the French might want. Design #1 had a single column magazine and didn't much resemble the Hi Power. But FN didn't choose that one, they chose design #2 which other than being striker fired, is the Hi Power as we know it today.

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