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tshaw
September 18, 2011, 09:10 PM
ok i have a sigma 40 just acquired my ccl.. and now im looking for a holster but have no gun shop to try them close, so i have to order and hope i like it.. b ut here is stats im 6 foot 250lbs athletic with a small gut.. i mainly where athletic shorts and normal t shirts.. or baggy khacky shorts and a tshirt.. and during the winter a small lightweight jacket usually always.. my tshirts arent big they are rather snug.. it seems to be hard to see how im gonna conceal this without a wardrobe change or smaller gun ? any opinions or personal experience to point me in the right path towards an iwb holster?

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wisconsin
September 18, 2011, 09:36 PM
a month ago i picked up a Cross Breed supertuck and i can conceal a fullsize 1911 no problem (after some adjusting and advice on here of course) with nothing but a T-shirt. for reference I'm about 6' and 200 lbs

FruitCake
September 18, 2011, 09:41 PM
I tried ITW and truly hated it. Just doesn't feel right and plain unconfortable for me anyway.
I either have to have OTW and I'm actually trying out a cheap belly band I ordered from Ebay with my Bodyguard 380 and like it so far. My friend has one for his Kahr P9 and also loves it. But of course your Sigma is bigger and heavier. ITW with a bellyband holster I would try it down low by your belly. The band only cost me $13 dollars shipped to my door. Adds almost nothing to the gun unlike all ITW holsters.
Just my 02.

Gr8apmech
September 18, 2011, 09:43 PM
I've worn mine since i got my CCW and my wife doesn't even know when I'm CCW!

I'd like to get a little thinner gun - 260lbs, 40+ gut, but this set up works fine until I get my M&P 40C and 1911!

You won't go wrong with Crossbreed - quality stuff.

Here's a guy who is making the same style holster for alot cheaper...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Glock-26-27-33-Holster-Kydex-Leather-Hybrid-IWB-CCW-/110681620566?_trksid=p3284.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D21%26pmod%3D110681200267%26ps%3D54

He also sells a kit to make your own for about $20-30 bucks. You could build it in a couple of hours easy. (i bought the kit, but haven't molded it yet)

http://oldfaithfulholsters.com/

I also have a kangaroo shoulder harness. It was cheap and works great. Comfortable, but just isn't me...felt like a bra or something.

tshaw
September 18, 2011, 09:44 PM
Hey ur 2 cents is what I'm asking for!! Just trying to explore my option

R.W.Dale
September 18, 2011, 09:56 PM
I've recently started carrying a glock 34 (yes 34) IWB using a back brace as a belly band holster w the gun velcroed in with one of the elastic straps.

At first it dug into my side. But after taking someone's advice and doubling up on t-shirts w the inside garment tucked into my undies it became quite comfortable in spite of being such a large handgun.

My size is a 36" waist 6'-3" at only 190 and using the above methiod a glock disappears

btg3
September 18, 2011, 10:29 PM
At some point, most folks that carry on the waist realize 2 things:
1. The pants need to be worn up on the waist, rather than halfway down their backside.
2. A sturdy belt (gun belt) can solve a few issues with IWB and OWB carry.

GCBurner
September 18, 2011, 10:37 PM
A sturdy belt is a necessity, whether for an IWB or outside the waist band holster. I have used an elastic belly-band holster without a belt when carrying under sweatpants or elastic waistband athletic shorts, but it's not particularly comfortable, for me, anyway.

eam3clm@att.net
September 18, 2011, 10:41 PM
I was in the boat as you. None of my local or driving distance gun shops carried a quality IWB holster, just the nylon velcro hosters that were not fitted to the weapon. I shopped around on the net and came up with two choices for my g27 which were the Cross breed and the Galco king tuck. I took a gamble on the Galco knowing that if I didnt like it it would go on ebay at a loss. I decided on the galco mostly due to the way the leather backing was cut. Crossbreed called it a combat cut and charged extra. I have had it for three months and so far I like it. I carry my g27 all day when Im off duty and it does not bother me. I dont know it it is due to me wearing my duty belt and have gotten use to the feel over the last six years. I have had to get some bigger shorts for it to fit and ended up with cargo shorts. I still perfer to carry OWB for ease of access. My g23 and g22 will fit in the holster as well but is less concealable. The inner backing of the galco is a soft leather and it does not rub or chafe. I carry it at about the 3:45 position.

dcarch
September 18, 2011, 11:25 PM
Well, I'm 6'4'' and 170lbs, and have absolutely no trouble concealing a full size 1911 under a sweatshirt, flannel shirt, button up dress shirt, etc. Basically under anything other than a flat white T-shirt, I can ccw a full size 1911. Then again, I'm a slightly different build than you. :D :D Hope it works out for you.

dcarch
September 18, 2011, 11:27 PM
Btw, I use a Crossbreed Supertuck as my holster. Sorry if I forgot to mention that. Here's a link to the site. http://www.crossbreedholsters.com/SuperTuckDeluxe/tabid/90/List/0/ProductID/1/CategoryID/1/Level/1/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName,ProductName

tshaw
September 18, 2011, 11:47 PM
how hard is it to make ur own possibly.. hmmm...

memphisjim
September 18, 2011, 11:54 PM
iwb in gym shorts will be hard if not unstable

CZ223
September 19, 2011, 07:05 AM
you will probably need to change your wardrobe somewhat. I carry in a Milt Sparks VMII all day everyday. Icarry at churh while in a suit or while wearing a pair of shorts and t-shirt with a short sleeve shirt as a cover garment. I wear the cover shirt open but you could go without the t-shirt and keep it buttoned if you prefer. Some people can get away with just the t-shirt pulled over but you will likely need to go to a bigger size. The bottom line i9s you will need to dreess around the gun.

snooperman
September 19, 2011, 08:06 AM
the crossbreed holsters the best for that. You will have to try different ones as we all have different modes of dress and body build. Good luck

Quoheleth
September 19, 2011, 08:38 AM
A less expensive route can be found with the High Noon holsters. Some of their stocking items (ie, Split Decision) are around $35 and quite comfortable. I have used two - one for my SR9c and one for my Kahr CW9.

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jonmerritt
September 19, 2011, 08:46 AM
Also some clothing works better with certain holsters. I have several holsters for each handgun, and each is decided by how I dress. But some of those were experiments to see what works best, IWB or OWB, and shoulder types, and a couple of others.

FullEffect1911
September 19, 2011, 09:17 AM
IWB carry for me has always been my only choice. OWB never concealed enough for me to be comfortable doing it.

I have learned several things that apply to me about IWB carry of a full sized service pistol:

At some point, most folks that carry on the waist realize 2 things:
1. The pants need to be worn up on the waist, rather than halfway down their backside.
2. A sturdy belt (gun belt) can solve a few issues with IWB and OWB carry.

And that I can not comfortable carry a revolver IWB at all. The edges jab into me something fierce.

Lastly of all the holsters I've used I like the Crossbreed Supertuck that most. It is a pain in the butt to put on but it flat out works for anything but appendix carry.

towboat_er
September 19, 2011, 09:26 AM
What U sayin.....I'm down with it
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s276/kilo6403/image001.jpg

tshaw
September 19, 2011, 09:37 AM
Yea that's not.me.lol, see at work I work for sheriff dept so.I open carry, but my city has a no open carry law I have to conceal and I almost never where overshirts or anything.. might invest in a tcp or pocket pistol

smalls
September 19, 2011, 12:24 PM
I carry my sigma every day IWB. I use a Galco sto-n-go made for a Sig p229. Very inexpensive ($25), but nice quality holster.
You have to understand that you're not going to conceal a gun with a tight t-shirt unless you wear a cover garment, or go up a size. And if you're going to carry IWB, you'll probably want to go up a pant size. I wear a 34, but buy 36's so I can stick a gun in my pants.

Tallinar
September 19, 2011, 01:40 PM
I have a little bit of a love-handle issue right now, and IWB is a bit uncomfortable for me. I'm about 6" and 250 lbs.

I prefer OWB with a tucked in shirt and a light jacket/vest to cover.

tshaw
September 19, 2011, 03:25 PM
Thats what I think.I'm gonna have to do for awhile

petitelady
September 19, 2011, 04:33 PM
I'm really new and don't know how to start a new post yet but my question is about IWB holsters. I've been experimenting with different carry positions with my IWB holster and my question is this: How do you sit down comfortably while carrying your gun just behind the hip at about the 3:30 to 4:00 position? I'm a small female with a Bersa 380. Any tips will be appreciated. Sorry if I have posted in the wrong place.

Pyro
September 19, 2011, 04:39 PM
I pocket carry.
I haven't carried IWB enough to be comfortable.

bjs1187
September 19, 2011, 04:53 PM
Just make your own. Then your out like 4 bucks if you don't like it. Making a holster out of leather isn't that hard. even the kydex part is getting easier. I just made a IWB for my wife's mp9, and it didn't really take that long. I make all my pocket holsters, IWB, OWB, and even a shoulder holster or two. On that note, I'm not exceptionally talented, have bad eyes and fat fingers. If I can do it, so can anyone.

petitelady
September 19, 2011, 05:01 PM
sorry I posted in the wrong place.

tshaw
September 19, 2011, 05:28 PM
In thinking about picking up a Taurus tcp 738 and pocket carrying it most my.clothing have good sized pockets

wharvey
September 19, 2011, 05:48 PM
While I normally carry a snubnose in a pocket holster I do sometimes carry a compact S&W 3rd gen pistol in an IWB holster. I find it very comfortable but position is important. Too far back or forward, or too low it can did in. Only reason I don't carry that way more often is that I have to wear a undershirt to have a layer of cloth between my skin and the holster.

You will have to wear a shirt that isn't too trim. Patterns also break up the print better than solid colors.

The Lone Haranguer
September 19, 2011, 07:11 PM
IWB is what I use most of the time. With only the gun butt exposed, there is no possibility of a cover garment riding up and exposing the bottom of the holster. Even though the holster is all anyone would see, I would still rather not take the chance. (I dislike belt holsters that leave the slide and muzzle exposed for this reason.) With proper design, it is no harder or slower to draw from than a OWB. There is a feeling of pressure, but you learn to "tune it out," so to speak. It can be quite uncomfortable if your pants fit tight to start with; adding a gun and holster will make them even tighter.

mgmorden
September 20, 2011, 11:21 AM
I usually pocket carry an LCP. I have an IWB holster (Safariland) for the same gun that carries very easily. For me even though that's a pocket gun I still like carrying it IWB often as I like to keep my pockets open for cell phones, keys, etc. I've tried IWB with bigger guns (still relatively small though - a Makarov being the smallest) and have made it work, but have had issues with comfort and occasionally printing.

In particular, I have had some problems with printing when wearing certain types of clothing. Noticed while wearing a golf shirt once when I saw myself in a bathroom mirror with the Makarov (in an Galco IWB holster) that I was printing like crazy. Ended up going into a stall and moving the gun from my strong side to small of back position until I got home as that didn't print, but I don't like carrying at that position.

Since as a rule I won't modify my dress style to accommodate the gun (each person can make his own choice there, but if I can't wear what I want and carry then the gun is not protecting my life, but ruling it), I'm mostly just carrying the LCP again. I still intend on getting a smaller 9mm like a Kahr CW9 though and trying IWB with it.

The Lone Haranguer
September 20, 2011, 05:56 PM
How do you sit down comfortably while carrying your gun just behind the hip at about the 3:30 to 4:00 position?
I don't, at least comfortably. When driving I move the handgun to a center console holster I devised, and even then the holster itself digs in a little. If most of your carry is while standing or walking, the behind-the-hip position is fine. If you're mostly sitting at a desk, driving or something else where you have to sit down , I suggest a carry somewhere between 10:00 and 2:00, whatever is more comfortable. If your holster is canted (tilted) butt-forward/muzzle rear, it won't work very well, and you would need a vertical or slightly reverse-angled holster. Being thin and short, the Bersa .380 is well suited to this.

petitelady
September 21, 2011, 01:42 PM
Thanks so much to everyone who responded. I got some really good advice and am very impressed with this site. Everyone has been so friendly and helpful. I don't plan on getting an LCP right away, so I guess I'll stick with a crossdraw position since I sit more than I stand. I'm still looking with great interest at the Supertuck Deluxe holster. I'm having fun playing around with my wardrobe to see what works best. So far, it's been mostly slacks or jeans with a tank top and a lightweight jacket zipped up about halfway with a bellyband holster. Thanks again everyone!

Zundfolge
September 21, 2011, 04:29 PM
I've been carrying IWB for more than a decade. In that time I've learned some valuable things (things that I don't think those that hate IWB carry have).

1) You MUST adjust your wardrobe to accommodate the gun. Pants an extra couple inches at the waist and a quality gun belt.
2) A dual clip/loop type holster (like the much loved Crossbreed Supertuck) will carry even a full size gun comfortably ... a single loop/clip type holster is ok for something slim and tiny like a Kahr MK.
3) 3:00 is more comfortable than 3:30 or 4:00, plus your arm covers it aiding on concealment, plus you can draw while seated in the car.

I'm willing to admit that there probably are a few people that just can not make it work with IWB ... but the vast majority of those that I've met over the years that tell me they just flat couldn't make if comfortable didn't wear larger pants, didn't have a good gun belt and were trying to conceal a full size gun in an Uncle Mikes POS hoster (the goofy one with the mag pouch on the front).


As for what holster is best, I would say something like the Crossbreed Supertuck would probably be the best out of the box solution (I don't own one, but I have used the Crossbreed clips on one of my holsters).

For years what I've done is got quality, custom made leather pancake holsters and then affixed steel spring clips to them with chicago screws.

Like this:
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=17074&d=1096501618

smalls
September 21, 2011, 09:45 PM
^ wow, awesome idea, never seen that before. I'm definitely going to try this when it's time for a new holster.

petitelady
September 23, 2011, 03:46 PM
Thanks for the info and tips. I just ordered my Supertuck Deluxe. Now, for the long wait...
but I think it will be worth it as I am set on IWB carry.

rcjohnson
October 3, 2011, 07:58 PM
I've been carrying IWB for more than a decade. In that time I've learned some valuable things (things that I don't think those that hate IWB carry have).

1) You MUST adjust your wardrobe to accommodate the gun. Pants an extra couple inches at the waist and a quality gun belt.
2) A dual clip/loop type holster (like the much loved Crossbreed Supertuck) will carry even a full size gun comfortably ... a single loop/clip type holster is ok for something slim and tiny like a Kahr MK.
3) 3:00 is more comfortable than 3:30 or 4:00, plus your arm covers it aiding on concealment, plus you can draw while seated in the car.

I'm willing to admit that there probably are a few people that just can not make it work with IWB ... but the vast majority of those that I've met over the years that tell me they just flat couldn't make if comfortable didn't wear larger pants, didn't have a good gun belt and were trying to conceal a full size gun in an Uncle Mikes POS hoster (the goofy one with the mag pouch on the front).


As for what holster is best, I would say something like the Crossbreed Supertuck would probably be the best out of the box solution (I don't own one, but I have used the Crossbreed clips on one of my holsters).

For years what I've done is got quality, custom made leather pancake holsters and then affixed steel spring clips to them with chicago screws.

Like this:
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=17074&d=1096501618
wow.... talk about a brilliant solution... I just did one of those "one hand clapping" forehead slaps when I saw that. seriously nice thinking.

petitelady
October 6, 2011, 02:01 PM
Incredible pics and some great ideas from Zundfolge's post. I have just ordered the Crossbreed Supertuck Deluxe on your recommemdation. I am stuck with a belly band until then so I am trying to be patient. It should arrive by the 15th of November if it takes 6 wks. I am wearing larger pants and a good belt so I am really hoping this will do the trick. Excellent post; thank you so much!!!:)

Quick question: Is 3:00 right on the hipbone or just slightly behind?

rellascout
October 6, 2011, 02:11 PM
I used to be a OWB guy but a few things have changed that over the years. Losing a little weight was the #1 change IMHO.

IWB with the right gun, right pants, right belt and the right holster = perfect.


When I lost a little weight there was more room for the gun. :)
I have always used a proper gun belt. Like any piece of equipment when they wear out replace them.
Buy the right holster. Cheap holsters can make a great belt feel horrible.
Some guns are not meant to be carrying IWB. Some are just too thick or their dimension simply don't work for you. Just because someone else can carry gun "A" IWB does not mean you can.

Also keep in mind that carrying a gun involves a lot of trial and error IMHO.

ShawnC
October 25, 2011, 09:19 PM
I got a really nice Don Hume IWB holster for my USP. It took me a while to get used to it, I wear it at about 4 or 5 o'clock, but unless my shirt lifts up it's practically invisible. I've got a little padding around the middle, so finding a comfortable spot was key. I used to carry an HK P2000 in a cheap little sleeve holster in the front of my waist, but this USP is too big for that.

jbr
October 25, 2011, 09:28 PM
you owe it to yourself to try a Remora - nice to have even if you don't want to use it every day. not expensive. Love mine. IF you have one - wou will find yourself using it. I de-threaded the banding around the squared off edge - cut it off to be more gun shaped and had a upolstery shop sew the banding back on around where i cut - really comfortable now

jon86
October 25, 2011, 10:24 PM
I pocket carry.
I haven't carried IWB enough to be comfortable.

This has been my same experience. I can stand it for short trips around town, but for all day carry, I'm much more comfortable with pocket carry. I don't mind OWB with a jacket, but I don't usually wear a jacket ALL day either.

KAS1981
October 26, 2011, 06:57 PM
I've been carrying IWB for more than a decade. In that time I've learned some valuable things (things that I don't think those that hate IWB carry have).

1) You MUST adjust your wardrobe to accommodate the gun. Pants an extra couple inches at the waist and a quality gun belt.
2) A dual clip/loop type holster (like the much loved Crossbreed Supertuck) will carry even a full size gun comfortably ... a single loop/clip type holster is ok for something slim and tiny like a Kahr MK.
3) 3:00 is more comfortable than 3:30 or 4:00, plus your arm covers it aiding on concealment, plus you can draw while seated in the car.

I'm willing to admit that there probably are a few people that just can not make it work with IWB ... but the vast majority of those that I've met over the years that tell me they just flat couldn't make if comfortable didn't wear larger pants, didn't have a good gun belt and were trying to conceal a full size gun in an Uncle Mikes POS hoster (the goofy one with the mag pouch on the front).


As for what holster is best, I would say something like the Crossbreed Supertuck would probably be the best out of the box solution (I don't own one, but I have used the Crossbreed clips on one of my holsters).

For years what I've done is got quality, custom made leather pancake holsters and then affixed steel spring clips to them with chicago screws.

Like this:
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=17074&d=1096501618
Wow, great idea! Thanks!

I have been shopping around for an IWB holster for my SP101. I already have a Galco concealable pancake holster for it, so I think I'll save some money and try your idea.

Where did you get the belt clips?

Vern Humphrey
October 26, 2011, 07:32 PM
Just make your own. Then your out like 4 bucks if you don't like it. Making a holster out of leather isn't that hard. even the kydex part is getting easier. I just made a IWB for my wife's mp9, and it didn't really take that long. I make all my pocket holsters, IWB, OWB, and even a shoulder holster or two. On that note, I'm not exceptionally talented, have bad eyes and fat fingers. If I can do it, so can anyone.
Absolutely.

Pick a design you like, get some leather from Tandy and make your own.

Now, once you start carrying, it's axiomatic that you will buy and try many holsters, because what you though would be ideal turns out different in actual practice. With the shoulder you got from Tandy, you can make a dozen or more holsters -- for the price of one "big name" holster -- and wind up with something that really works for you.

Plan2Live
October 29, 2011, 07:09 PM
At some point, most folks that carry on the waist realize 2 things:
1. The pants need to be worn up on the waist, rather than halfway down their backside.
2. A sturdy belt (gun belt) can solve a few issues with IWB and OWB carry.
I've read this advice before and it's like nails on a chalkboard to me. Your idea of "up on the waist" may not be the same as other people. A guy I work with wears his pants above his belly button so I guess that's where he thinks his waist is. I've seen many a portly chap that are perfectly egg shaped. Go ahead, try to find a waist on those folks. If you strap on anything but a super lightweight subcompact on a body like that it is going to slide down and pull the pants with it. Some people are built like a 2X4, straight down from the arm pits to the pelvis with no discernable waist, same problem, nothing there to offer much resistance at all. The bottom line is everyone is different and will have to make decisions based on their unique features. And no, I'm none of the above. There are simply no one size fits all answers.

greenhornet
October 29, 2011, 10:08 PM
Another vote for CrossBreed Holsters and their customer service is #1.

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