As long as its a published load, Its should be safe right? ( 30-30 Win )


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Josh45
September 19, 2011, 01:53 PM
I mean as long as you follow safety first, Right?

A while ago, I had posted asking a question about Berrys Plated bullets and some good info. So, I was now in pursuit of finding out how I can shoot these bullets under 1700 FPS....

My dad ordered those little USA booklets that usually cover one specific caliber. It has a lot of information and I think they are very worth the price and a good addition to the reloading bench.

Okay, Now to the question.

Since Berry says to use lead data, I looked up the lead data in the book. There is a 151 GR flat nose Lymans bullet. I have the 150 GR flat nose. They also have Herco listed as one of the powders.

All the charges in the data for Herco, Keeps the bullet under 1700 FPS. Usually, I will not go to max until I have worked up to the load.

My question is, Has anyone ever used this data before? Its the only powder in that manual I have at the moment. Would it work OK in a rifle load?

I just want to shoot them. Mess around and stuff. Im not looking for .5 groups....Tho, It would be pretty nice :p

So any info on this? If you need more info, Or if your confused about anything I said, Please let me know and I will try to clairify better.

Thanks THR.

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rcmodel
September 19, 2011, 02:03 PM
Since Berry says to use lead data,Berry doesn't say to use lead data.

What they say on the website FAQ is:
Plated bullets occupy a position between cast bullets and jacketed bullets. They are soft lead, but have a hard outer shell on them. When loading plated bullets we have found best results using low- to mid-range jacketed data in the load manual. You must use data for a bullet that has the same weight and profile as the one you are loading. Do not exceed mid-range loads. Do not use magnum loads.

The problem might be with reduced loads of fast burning pistol powder in a longer rifle barrel.
The copper plated bullets have more bore friction then grease lubed lead cast bullets.
At very low velocity, they might stick in the bore easier then lead bullets.

rc

Josh45
September 19, 2011, 02:05 PM
I had called Berrys one time and asked them about the lead data and told me it is useable.

That is what Im worried about is a stuck bullet with such a low velocity. The starting said velocity is 1350+ while the max charge shows a velocity of 1660 FPS.

The charge charge is Herco 9.0 GR starting and a max load of 12.0...
I was thinking of trying it but am worried about that situation. Perhaps a powder with just a tad higher velocity? I have IMR 3031. Starting load is a tad over 1700 FPS.

rcmodel
September 19, 2011, 02:46 PM
I agree lead data is usable.
Except when you get to the part about very low Starting charge weights, particulary with light handgun starting loads.

But your Herco 30-30 Starting data sounds safe at 1,350+.

Just be aware of the possibility of a stuck bullet, until you confirm in load testing that they don't.

rc

Josh45
September 19, 2011, 02:55 PM
Ill give it a shot. ( No pun intended )
See what happens from there.... Since im going to post it and I only see this data in this manual as far as I can remember from memory anyways......

CAUTION: The following post includes loading data beyond currently published maximums for this cartridge. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Neither the writer, The High Road, nor the staff of THR assume any liability for any damage or injury resulting from use of this information.

To be more specific. Here is the data.

30-30 Winchester.
Lyman Bullet - # 311440
151 GR #2 Alloy.
OAL - 2.480
Powder - Herco
Charge - 9.0-12.0
Velocity - 1386 - 1660

The primers I will be using is a WLR.
The rifle is a Marlin 3085 S lever action. Barrel twist rate is unknown to me. :/

Oh and since I posed that data....

popper
September 19, 2011, 07:07 PM
is that a 308 ME or 30-30? Try the Hodgdon youth loads using H4895. Position insensitive powder Interpolate between their normal and youth load data to get the spee you expect.

Josh45
September 19, 2011, 08:14 PM
Its a 30-30? At the current moment, I have no H4895 on the bench. Also, Berry has said on their site not to exceed 1700 FPS, That is why I mentioned this load in particular.

Unique also has data for this type of load.

GP100man
September 19, 2011, 10:52 PM
21.o grs.of 3031 should put ya rite at 1700fps if not it`ll be just under.

15.0 grs. of SR-4759 will put ya rite at 1500fps or a tad over.

I`d try these over HERCO they`ll give a longer burn time .

I`ve found HERCO to be a mildly fast mid speed powder for magnum handgun loads.

popper
September 19, 2011, 11:05 PM
Unique is fun too. I don't know if you need dacron filler with Herco, as I've never used it. I mentioned the H4895 because you can start low and go to full speed with that powder. Some powders have problems at low loads.

Josh45
September 20, 2011, 01:14 AM
Thanks for the info. I will try it out.

ranger335v
September 20, 2011, 04:07 PM
"As long as its a published load, Its should be safe right? ( 30-30 Win ) "

IF you mean the 'starting load', yeah. After that, it's up to us to determine what a safe max load may be.

Wil Terry
September 20, 2011, 05:35 PM
THAT IS THE WRONG ASSUMPTION TO MAKE !!!!

There are far too many variables involved and you CANNOT assume anything.

Josh45
September 21, 2011, 07:07 AM
While it was an assumption, I start with start loads when something new comes into play...

Also the reason I asked here before doing anything.

rick300
September 21, 2011, 10:49 PM
Forgive me if I missed something here, but I have tried to keep all of My Berry's bullets undr 1200 fps.

I only load for handguns so are the rules different for rifle?

Here's what I got from Berry's:



FAQ: How fast can I shoot these bullets?




Velocities depend on the caliber, but as a rule of thumb, we recommend you don't shoot our plated bullets over 1200 feet-per-second. Our 44's actually shoot best around 1150 fps. 45's are generally good at 850-900 fps. Our bullets are not recommended for magnum velocities.

Thanks Rick

kelbro
September 21, 2011, 11:23 PM
Rules don't change for rifles but rifle cartridges in pistol calibers shoot quite a bit faster than the parent pistol cartridge.

Josh45
September 22, 2011, 03:02 AM
Rick300,

If you look for the 30-30 bullets, You will see that it shows to keep them under 1700 FPS

GooseGestapo
September 22, 2011, 08:39 AM
The Herco will be fine.
Just realize that the powder charge is small relative to the case capacity. Be extra vigilant of the posibility of a double charge.
Check all your cases before seating a bullet for correct powder level. A double charge can ruin a rifle, maybe even your day.

I shoot cast bullets frequently with Unique or #2400. You can have a lot of fun and good practice with a cast or Berrry's at 1300fps.
Only drawback to shooting these loads is that they typically don't shoot to POA/POI except at perhaps very short range.

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