Seacamp .32 acp. Opinions from owners.


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LynnMassGuy
January 26, 2004, 06:41 PM
I'm considering a Seacamp .32acp as my carry weapon for the hot weather. The Seacamp is just about the only pocket pistol available in MA. Does anyone have any experience with this pistol. My second choice is a 38 or 357 snubbie but I'd really like something I could holster in the cargo pocket of shorts without too much printing. The average price around here for the Seacamp is $550.

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98m
January 26, 2004, 07:07 PM
I have a Seecamp and here are my thoughts.

The gun is a very well made weapon of quality materiels and very reliable. So refreshing compared to many of the other weapons that are being made today that often are made largely of plastic.

The gun is very resistant to rust which is a plus and is very small and easily concealable.

Contrary to popular belief, even though it was designed only for the short nosed Winchester Siver tips, other types of short nosed light weight bullets work in it. I have handloaded Hornady light weight bullets in the gun and it works fine. I believe they were of 60 grains.

The down side of the weapon is that it is double action only and has no sights at all. Do not plan on hitting much with this weapon except at virtually arms length. Although its double action is one of the smoothest ever put on a pistol, when you get into a pistol that is this small they are very difficult to shoot even if it were a single action mechanism which of course it is not. This is why I wish it were a single action.l I have owned and shot single action very small automatics and have had no trouble at all hitting man sized targets way out to 25 yards even with the .22's, 25's and .32 automatic single actions but the double action only small pistols are a horse of a different color.

I am still in search of the ultimate pocket automatic and for me small double action only pistols just do not give me the ability to hit much over arms length as compared to the single action auto's. The only problem is I am waiting for someone to invent a pistol as small as the Seecamp only in single action and chambered for either the .32acp or the .380.

I thought about the Beretta .32 Tomcat but it is bigger than the Seecamp and will not conceal as well.

Tupperware
January 26, 2004, 09:25 PM
I HAD a Seecamp and here are my thoughts.

Overated, overpriced and UNDERsupported. Mine had a serious factory defect (tumbling bullets which shed their jackets) and the fax and follow-up letter requesting help both went unanswered.

Purchased a Kel-Tec and have no regrets! It has a better trigger, sights and less felt recoil. It's significantly lighter and has more capacity. Also has the ability to shoot a greater variety of ammo. Finally, they happily support their product. I've shot over 1500 rounds through mine and when I called to inquire about replacement springs, they GAVE them to me.

LynnMassGuy
January 26, 2004, 09:34 PM
I can't buy any new Kel-Tec pistols in MA.:banghead:

Kestrel
January 27, 2004, 01:28 AM
I wasn't wild about my Seecamp (sold long ago). I didn't like having no sights, but most of all, I hated the stupid magazine disconnect "safety" and the fact that you couldn't even retract the slide with the mag out of the gun. What kind of design is that?

ALSO - you could not get a single extra mag at the time. I think they are available, now. (?)

This was a lot of years ago - I don't know if he has changed the design since.

Steve

Wildalaska
January 27, 2004, 01:50 AM
Absolutely the finest deep concealment pocket auto out there. Built like a swiss watch, I can draw it from my pocket and fill the chest of a sil target as fast as I can pull the trigger. Its my constant companion.

I dont like the mag safety either, but its designed to be a six shooter deep conceal self defense gun. At that it has no peer, none ( and I like kel Tecs too). Perfect for the 24/7 armed civilian who wants a gun witout the hassle of carrying one.

Dont think I am shillin, but if ya want one reasonable PM me. We sell everyone we get cheaper than $550

WildalwysinthepocketAlaska

Lancel
January 27, 2004, 02:13 AM
The Seecamp is definitely high quality. And surprisingly accurate even without sights. Also, because it was designed for hollow points only, it doesn't suffer from rimlock like some other .32 ACP pistols.

I still carry it as a BUG or for deep concealment, but I've lost faith in the .32 ACP for primary self defense and prefer larger calibers now.

Larry

Gun Runners Alaska
January 27, 2004, 01:46 PM
The Seecamp, IMHO, is an excellent pocket pistol and a constant companion.

Everyone that we've sold has been under $550.00 (we'll even beat wildalaska's prices).:neener:

hillbilly
January 27, 2004, 02:08 PM
A gentleman came to do his CCW renewal shoot at my range.

He qualified with his .45 Kimber, but he also had his backup Seecamp with him. He actually insisted that I shoot it once. I had heard of Seecamps, but never fired one, so I agreed quickly.

From 7 yards, I was able to keep every shot on a standard 8.5X11 inch sheet of printer paper. The group was vertically strung for about six inches, but all centered.

The trigger pull was DA, but not near as heavy nor as long as the trigger pull on a friend's .32 Beretta Tomcat.

Of course, the older gentleman was able to shoot a group you could have easily covered with the mouth of a standard coffee cup at the same distance, and shoot such a group as fast as he could pull the trigger.

hillbilly

DrDremel
January 27, 2004, 03:18 PM
With my Kel-Tec .32 I can hot an 8 x 10 piece of paper 100% of tjhe time at 25 yards. I never tried further. The Seecamp is nice but just does not fit my hand well. I feel like I am barely hanging on it.

cratz2
January 27, 2004, 05:56 PM
Haven't owned one, but have fired two. Very nice guns to handle... They have a very solid engineered feel and heft to them but for an actual carry gun, I don't see anything that would pull me away from a P32.

:)

vanfunk
January 27, 2004, 06:32 PM
Also, because it was designed for hollow points only, it doesn't suffer from rimlock like some other .32 ACP pistols.

Lancel, can you elaborate on this? I've been under the impression that rimlock would be a potential problem with any 7.65mm / .32ACP pistol because of the semi-rimmed case. Is hollowpoint ammo manufactured in rimless cases? I've never really looked.

I've pondered the purchase of a Seecamp .32 for prolly 15 years. Now that they seem to be available in quantity (yes, here in Massachusetts), I've a renewed interest. I'm thinking deep concealment, for times when even my S&W 642 is "too much gun". :D

Thanks,
vanfunk

Lancel
January 27, 2004, 08:29 PM
Lancel:...it doesn't suffer from rimlock....vanfunk :can you elaborate on this?The magazine of the Seecamp LWS .32 is designed for hollow points (originally and specifically Winchester Silvertips); longer cartridges won't fit. This means that there's no extra space between the bullet and the front of the magazine.

Since the cartridges don't have room to move forward, a lower one can't move ahead to get it's rim in the extraction groove of the one above. In fact, I've tried to purposely create rimlock in loading a magazine and failed. :)

Even longer hollow points won't fit, but Speer made their Gold Dot so it does and that's my preferred load over Silvertips.:):)

Larry

Kentucky Rifle
January 28, 2004, 11:08 AM
RJ Hedley made me one of his "Front Pocket LE's" and it is one great holster! As previously stated, my Seecamp is quite accurate--even without sights. I can do all head-shots at 15 feet. I started out using Silvertips, but some "keyholed". I talked to Larry Seecamp and he said "try Gold Dots". That was the end of the keyholing problem. G-D's worked perfectly. My, slim, little Seecamp is now loaded with RBCD Ammunition. My Dillon calipers say just about the same length (VERY close) as a S-T and the flat, front portion of an RBCD bullet is about the same size as the opening in a S-T hollow point. Thus, no worries. Works perfectly.
I own a P-32 too. Hard chrome top, gray grip frame, silver trigger shoe--it's beautiful. I carry the P-32 on one side of my Coronado concealment vest, but I don't shoot it much. It's an emergency pistol. IMHO, there is nothing like a Seecamp. I'm waiting on some more R-baugh posts (from people who've bought them). Who knows? The R-baugh just might be "in the running" too.

KR

M90A1
January 28, 2004, 12:00 PM
I couldn't get more than one round of RBCD ammo in my Seecamp mags. What's the trick?

Jonesy9
January 28, 2004, 01:04 PM
LMG- been drooling over these at 4S myself. hopefully in the spring! good deals on the SW642 now might be hard to pass up though.

cleve land
January 28, 2004, 01:52 PM
The Seacamp is one very well made and unique pocket pistol and I really like mine. I use my Keltec when a small pistol is called for.:cool:

PX15
January 28, 2004, 02:23 PM
I've enjoyed reading the posts about the Seecamp. I have read various magazine and forum articles about them for years. However, (yep) I purchased a 32 Cal. NAA Guardian in lieu of a Seecamp. It was: Cheaper, had sights (altho minimul), mag release on frame, not bottom, would disassemble easier for cleaning, would shoot any brand of ammunition, as opposed to the recommended "silvertip only" of the Seecamp. Manfacturer has an excellent reputation for customer service. Manufacturer offers many options, including laser engraving for those of you who care. I thought so highly of my 1st one that I bought another. I just can't see why anyone would choose a Seecamp over a Guardian other than the name. Now, years later I would probably choose a Kel Tec over either. (my State, Georgia, has no discrimination about individual brands.. I can buy any brand I choose). I think Seecamp is the original teeny, and I've heard they are high quality. I just think that NAA improved the original, and dropped the price. Of course opinions are like.... well you know, we all have one, and this is just mine.:)

000Buck
January 28, 2004, 02:35 PM
I have an NAA guardian, that thing was a jam-o-matic. I sent it in for fixing, they did all kinds of stuff, I got it back, still a jam-o-matic. Except with Silvertip....very odd. I am too lazy to send it back in, the main reason because I have no faith in it now. Its a shame really. I just carry a 640PD now and deal with the extra width.

LynnMassGuy
January 28, 2004, 04:45 PM
I just can't see why anyone would choose a Seecamp over a Guardian other than the name.

Because I can't buy any NAA firearms in MA.:banghead:

LynnMassGuy
January 28, 2004, 08:45 PM
I really appreciate all the info folks! Good to know I can depend on the THR people for info when I need it!:) Makes me wish I could buy each of you a beer! (With our weapons properly secured of course...):D

Wildalaska
January 29, 2004, 02:30 AM
Everyone that we've sold has been under $550.00 (we'll even beat wildalaska's prices).

Hey no problem, just keep buying em from us...

:neener:
WildthegunshopwheregunshopsshopAlaska:

1911Tuner
January 29, 2004, 08:28 AM
Overated, overpriced and UNDERsupported. Mine had a serious factory defect (tumbling bullets which shed their jackets)

I'd be inclined to think that was an ammo problem rather than a gun problem. I've run into certain defective lots of .357 ammuntion that would do that in Colt Python...Had one lot of 230-grain Golden Saber do it
out of my 1911s...All of'em. Also, firing into a test medium is a crap shoot
Not even ballistic gelatin reliably duplicates the human body.

I've handled and fired a few Seecamps, and found them to be well-made
little pistols, and very reliable provided good ammuntion was available.
Though they strongly recommended Silvertips for reliability, I found that they would work as well with other ammo, provided it would fit the magazines.

Now...What's all this talk of sights and accuracy? The things are belly guns...last-ditch lifesaving (hopefully) tools that are designed to be used
at arm's length or less when you find yourself up to yerass in alligators.

They're not target pistols, and were never meant to be. The lack of sights
has a purpose...and that purpose is minimizing the chances of snagging
on clothing and fouling the draw. I have carried...and still do in the winter... a Colt LW Commander that doesn't have a rear sight. I filed the sight down to match the contours of the slide and reduced the front sight to about half its original height. I did this to minimize snagging on cold-weather clothing. I know that I'm not about to engage in a duel with
anybody, and out to 25 feet, the front sight will do nicely in an emergency,
and at farther distances if used carefully. All it takes is knowing the gun and practice. Farther distances favor the skillful marksman, and they allow
a time factor to use those skills. Beyond a certain range, it becomes questionable as to whether it truly was self-defense, or an act of aggression. There's a fine line between the two, and a prosecutor will make that distinction clearly in a courtroom. It's much easier to make a case for self-defense if the dead or crippled goblin has powder burns than with an eyewitness who relates that you took dead aim and squeezed off a shot from across the street. The world is full of eyewitnesses whose
versions of the event are affected by where they were standing, and even how they feel about gun-toting citizens. Many don't believe in self-defense
at all, especially if a gun is used. Bear that in mind every time you put
the gun in the leather and run down to Wally World.

The purpose of carrying a gun is to survive, not to make a stand. If you can duck and unass the AO, it's in your best interest to do just that. If you're cornered, the ranges are going to be short, and likely in the dark anyway...Why worry with group sizes that mean nothing and sights that you won't be able to see or have time to use?

Just food for thought...and my 2 pence worth.

Tuner

nero45acp
January 29, 2004, 08:42 AM
Wise words from 1911Tuner.




nero45acp

Lancel
January 29, 2004, 09:30 AM
1911Tuner:What's all this talk of sights and accuracy?...etc. etc.

The point is that the Seecamp is so well made that even the lack of sights and short sight radius doesn't prevent it from being accurate.

Distance is given when discussing accuracy to give the reader a reference. Just because I can run 14 miles per hour doesn't mean that I run 14 miles in one hour. Just because a shooter can put all shots in the black at 25 yds doesn't mean that the Seecamp is a 25 yard pistol.

Some of us owners evaded the issue by not discussing distance; others were more generous. In either case the point is the quality of the pistol.

FWIW, Larry Seecamp is quoted as saying in effect that the pistol wasn't meant to be used at ranges that required sights.

Larry

1911Tuner
January 29, 2004, 10:22 AM
Lancel said:

Distance is given when discussing accuracy to give the reader a reference. Just because I can run 14 miles per hour doesn't mean that I run 14 miles in one hour.

Howdy lancel...Understood and acknowleged. The point that I was getting
at was that I've noticed recently that too much emphasis is placed on how
tightly a gun will group its shots at a specifed distance, and using that
as a yardstick to determine the pistol's usefulness as a defensive tool.

Then the merit of Pistol A vs Pistol B is judged by how easy the sights are
to see. While it's true that big, blocky sights that are sharply defined
are a plus on a target range, they can be a liability in a close-range
emergency...sights that , as observed, probably won't even be used
95% of the time. When faced with a deadly threat at arm's length, speed
of deployment is paramount. Big, easy to see sights can slow you down.
Getting into a habit of searching the top of the gun for a perfect sight picture before firing will become an auto-response. It may only take a
second, but that second may be enough time to get you killed.

Another member made the observation that a perfectly placed shot is
necessary to decisively stop an attacker coming at him from 5 feet with a
crowbar, and target sights/accuracy would help insure perfect placement. My response was that if a man was coming on hard and fast at 5 feet while swinging a crowbar, that the attacker would cave in his skull before he could find the sights...Why? Unless you're highly disciplined and well-practiced, your eyes will be riveted on your attacker. By the time you switch back to "Range Mode" and start to search for the sights, the lights
will go out before you can find them.

The target shooter has a need for sharp sights and intrinsic accuracy.
The defensive pistoleer has a need for speed.

When it comes down to shoot or be killed, 3 fast hits in the 8-ring will beat a perfect "X" that comes too late...every time. Practice the way you'll have to fight, and you'll probably survive. Form range habits, and you may not.
Some of the best 'Match" marksmen in the world fall apart when the flag flies.

This public service announcement comes to you from those who have been there, done that.

Cheers!

PX15
January 29, 2004, 10:39 AM
In an earlier post I gave my "opinion" on why I personally prefer the NAA product over the Seecamp. Before I made my first Guardian purchase I had read several articles comparing the two, and every time the conclusion was that the Guardian was just an "improved" Seecamp. I have absolutely nothing against the Seecamp. I had read great things about them too, but generally it's deficiencies were always noted. It was the only game in town, thereby it automatically became the best of an otherwise non-existant group. At that time, because of it's exclusivity it was very expensive. VERY expensive. The differences were enough for me buy 2 Guardians rather than one Seecamp. The small front sight was just a reference point for me, and was not obviously intended for anything else. The fact that a Company with a great customer service history was manufacturing the Guardian was again a plus, for me... The fact that the Guardian would feed many different brands of ammunition as opposed to (at the time) only Silvertips was important, to me. I prefer the side grip magazine release over the bottom of the grip, not to "speed reload" but I just like it better. I agree that either of these fine little pistols are in fact only a last chance, desperate measure weapon.. To be used in a time of crisis, close range, and no more. I was just comparing "apples to apples" and again it was just my personal opinion. I'm just glad we can all have the opportunity to pick and choose between brands, and buy the firearm of our choice. It does distress me to read posts from folks in states that put restrictions on what pistols you can, and cannot own. :)

Lancel
January 29, 2004, 10:54 AM
1911Turner said:
a bunch

Sure, I agree 100%. It just seemed that we had veered from pistol quality to pistol tactics - a worthy but separate topic.

In any case, 1911Turner makes good words.:)

Larry

1911Tuner
January 29, 2004, 10:56 AM
PX15 said:


It does distress me to read posts from folks in states that put restrictions on what pistols you can, and cannot own.

AH! There's the real travesty, brother. Who is better fit to determine what I can and can't own than me...or you. Excellent point. Maybe it's time
to "Throw the rascals out" come election time.

Your opinion is valued and welcome. Differing opinions spark debate...
Debate leads to questions...From questions we move to research...
Research leads to answers..(sometimes answers that go against what we
believe)...and finally, those answers provide information that allows us to
reach an informed decision rather than one based on gut reaction or
aesthetic appeal.

Moreover, civil disagreement is thoroughly enjoyable if approached with
logic and as long as it remains civil.

Kudos! Start a debate with me any time. Coffee's on the house!

Tuner

1911Tuner
January 29, 2004, 11:06 AM
Lancel said:

Sure, I agree 100%. It just seemed that we had veered from pistol quality to pistol tactics - a worthy but separate topic.

I did that, didn't I?:o

Forgive me...I tend to have a one-track mind when it comes to
defensive armament.

It's a thing that I do whenever the talk turns to accuracy...:rolleyes:
I get worried about my brothers in arms that could get a busted skull,
I guess.

Okay, okay...I'll shaddap now.:D

Cheers!

FPrice
January 29, 2004, 11:09 AM
I have one and it is the gun I carry when I can't carry anything else. I have a little bit of a difficult time shooting it well, but it is MUCH better than bad words to discourage a bad guy. I also find the safety (mandatory in the People's Commonwealth) difficult to disengage one-handed. Maybe I just havent found the trick yet.

But my vote is to get one is you can.

Kentucky Rifle
January 29, 2004, 01:32 PM
Well, that's weird. My Seecamp and my spare mag both have RBCD in them as does my Guardian and it's spare mag. They both work flawlessly. Are you saying that only one round of RBCD ammo will FIT in a Seecamp magazine?

KR

M90A1
January 29, 2004, 02:12 PM
KR

That's exactly what I'm saying. The second round jams up the magazine. It seems as though the OAL of the RBCD ammo is a mite too long for any of my mags. The ogive of the bullet runs right into the sides of the curved part of the mag.

Kentucky Rifle
January 30, 2004, 02:37 PM
I'll send him an e-mail in hopes of solving this riddle. In the meantime, would you please give me the frist two numbers of your Seecamp's serial number?
Mine starts out with 37XXX. Larry told me that he went to CNC machine design around number 27XXX. Maybe that has something to do with it. Before CNC, Seecamp made one gun at a time. I've always wondered if these were the *better models. GeorgeH has one of each.
Sometimes, I give thought to buying an earlier example too. However, there are just SO many other guns I want! I only have a couple chambered for 9MM (and they're BOTH Kahrs), and I've discovered that I LIKE to shoot 9MM!

KR

M90A1
January 30, 2004, 03:55 PM
KR

Mine is 037XXX.

greg531mi
January 30, 2004, 06:29 PM
Kentucky, M90A1 has the wrong ammo!!! RBCD makes 32 acp ammo in TWO Cartridge OAL Lengths!!! One short, for the Autauga's and Seecamp's, and a longer one for everything else, according to Jeff, the distributer. He must have the longer one, I bet you

Wildalaska
January 30, 2004, 07:04 PM
The Guardian is bigger than the seecamp, IMHO, noticeably so.

WildsmallisniceAlaska

M90A1
January 30, 2004, 07:19 PM
Kentucky, M90A1 has the wrong ammo!!! RBCD makes 32 acp ammo in TWO Cartridge OAL Lengths!!! One short, for the Autauga's and Seecamp's, and a longer one for everything else, according to Jeff, the distributer. He must have the longer one, I bet you

Now, that makes sense. I'll check with RBCD. At least I'm not out anything. The ammo I've got now will work fine in my German PP. :) Thanks for all the help.

LWS32
January 30, 2004, 08:36 PM
I love mine it's no target gun but thats not why you carry it.

Slowhand
January 30, 2004, 11:37 PM
I like mine. The Kel-tec's light weight sure is nice, but it just feels so cheap compared to the Seecamp. I was thinking of the Kel-Tec, but spent the extra and got the original. I don't use it much, only when I can't get away with anything else since the .32 is a pretty miserable stopper.

Wildalaska
January 30, 2004, 11:44 PM
since the .32 is a pretty miserable stopper.

How do you know?

WildcuriousAlaska

greg531mi
January 31, 2004, 10:31 AM
M90A1, if you can measure your RCBD cartiridge OAL, it should be around .900, Winchester Silver tips are .917 and Speer Gold Dots are .902, while FMJ rounds are .960+-, that's why some Hollow Points and all Full Metal Jackets don't fit in the Seecamp or Autauga. I shoot the Gold Dots, and have no feeding problems. I wish I had a extra $40 for a box of RCBD, but us unemployed machinists have to watch our pennies....

Kentucky Rifle
January 31, 2004, 12:27 PM
Two lengths. Here I carry RBCD in everything I've got and I didn't even know that.

Easy Wild. That's just what he's been told. A lot of people post things like that. I agree with you too. At least in my pocket the Guardian feels larger. But I've got that Hedley Front Pocket LE for my Seecamp. It fits like a glove. It curves right around my leg. I could keep it in my pocket every day. (And, like you, I do! :) )

KR

greg531mi
January 31, 2004, 06:50 PM
Kentucky Rifle, I heard that gun show you have down there in Louisville Kentucky, is a great show. I was disapointed in the Indy 1500, maybe in better weather, I will get down there. Is Hedley back from his vacation yet? I need a couple of holsters from him. That new 9mm that Jeff has is a sweet gun.
I talked with Jeff about the 32acp ammo, and he pointed out out the two different lengths at the Indy 1500. Hope that clears things up.

alamo
February 1, 2004, 12:14 AM
R.J.'s been back from his break since after New Years. Order away -

http://www.hedleyholsters.com/

Tupperware
February 1, 2004, 02:09 AM
Tupperware said:
"Overated, overpriced and UNDERsupported. Mine had a serious factory defect (tumbling bullets which shed their jackets)"

Tuner said:
"I'd be inclined to think that was an ammo problem rather than a gun problem."

Tuner,
If you saw the bore on my example you wouldn't blame the ammo. There were SERIOUS tool marks in the rifling. A jacket tougher than the aluminum one of the Silvertip might have survived intact but there was still a problem with that gun. An earlier example shot the same lot of ammo with no problems as did my KelTec.
Regards,
Tupperware

Unrelated question. How do you 'reply with quote' on this forum?

concerned citizen
February 1, 2004, 11:08 AM
A little off topic but IMOP seecamps service is exceptional, I had always heard it was poor back when he had the only show in town but that has changed and so has his service.

My seecamp dates to 1989 and I recently called to see if I could get some replacement springs for my mags and was connected directly to Larry, after telling him the serial number I had he asked me if I wanted to send it in for some "updates" I sent it in and in 3 weeks it came back looking brand new, the only origional thing left was the frame which was polished and looked new again.

Needless to say I am very pleased. I just got my seecamp 380 and this little gem will never leave me. ;)

M90A1
February 1, 2004, 11:16 AM
Needless to say I am very pleased. I just got my seecamp 380 and this little gem will never leave me.

If you wouldn't mind, where did you find your .380 and how much did you give for it? TIA

concerned citizen
February 1, 2004, 11:49 AM
PM sent.

Kentucky Rifle
February 1, 2004, 11:50 AM
I agree with your assessment of Seecamp service. I came home one day and my answering machine light was blinking. When I pushed the "play messages button", Larry Seecamp's voice came out of the speaker. That's what started our friendship. He gets along well with RJ too. I have no idea why some people get the man while others don't.:confused:
(Maybe it's my "jovial personality". BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA)

KR~

guy sajer
February 1, 2004, 01:11 PM
Before the influx of micro .32's came on and the Seecamp LWS32 was "the" hideaway gun , we sold them in our store . We played the order game . Maximum order allowed 5 guns , money upfront & 1.5 yr wait . We sold every one . Mine is one of the last ones we received . It's in the 25,xxx range . I fire 32 STHP and have had 0 malfunctions in 500 rds . It will hit a man sized target at 25 yds , but I didn't buy it for 25 yd shooting . The lack of sights never bothered me . It's not a target pistol . It's a belly gun . A defensive close range save your life gun . It's a gun you can carry 100% of the time and forget you are carrying it . Do I like it ? Well yes .

Service back then was slow ! Out of 25 we sold , 2 had to go back . Due to the customers not reading the manuals and becoming familiar with it , they broke the hammer struts by forcing the slide back without a magazine in the gun . It took 4-5 months for repair . This was my only negative issue . I guess if the igjits hadn't broken their guns , I wouldn't have known ? :) Thanks .

As with all things , it's not for everyone .

Kel Tec service is exceptional . We have sent back 15-20 pistols including P32 , P11 and a couple P40's because the trigger bar bacame separated from the hammer . You pull the trigger and the hammer doesn't move . We sell quite a few KT's , but I won't carry one .

Mastrogiacomo
February 1, 2004, 01:18 PM
I'd say for the price of this auto, you'd do better with a Ruger -- either GP100 or SP101 -- I just wouldn't pay that much for a pocket gun.

www.fsguns.com -- the place to buy in MA

Slowhand
February 2, 2004, 12:39 AM
WildAlaska- I don't know from personal experience that the .32 is a miserable stopper. Similarly, I don't know from personal experience that a 3" slug from my 1100 would be a great stopper. I don't think the vast majority of firearm owners know what their carry rounds will do to a human being. Given the fact that we can understand rudimentary physics, and the need to rely on outside sources of ballistic information, I think it's safe to say that you would be better served with a .45 out of a 5" 1911 than a Seecamp firing a .32 STHP. If you feel comfortable with the .32, go for it.

Anthony
February 2, 2004, 02:15 AM
I have shot a close friend's fairly extensively and plan on buying one for myself when the time comes.

Superlative quality and complete reliability with Silvertips (all I've fired in it).

He had a bead sight (a la a shotgun) mounted on the front of the slide by Novak's and it works very well for the ranges such a gun would be used.

Lastly, Massad Ayoob showed me his personal Seecamp at LFI-I. It was very well traveled and he gave it his seal of approval. Mas has never given me bad advice and his seal of approval and the fact he personally carries one says a great deal about the gun.

I have no experience with the other brands discussed in this thread, but that is immaterial given you cannot get them.

Good luck and good shooting.

FPrice
February 15, 2004, 12:11 AM
I just agreed to sell my Seecamp back to my FFL. His son needs one for his job and he offered my a shade more in credit on current purchases than I think I paid in the first place. But he also offered me dibs on one of the next batch he gets.

QuarterBoreGunner
February 15, 2004, 12:34 AM
Once again I’m late for the party… I had a chance to pick up a Seecamp .32 back in ’98 or ’99 for a grand total of $675 plus… (California… everything costs more here) needless to say I passed on it.

When the NAA .32 came on the scene I looked it over long and hard. Seemed like well built little pocket pistol.
I picked one up with the idea of being a last ditch **** this is it! CCW.

Unfortunately the county sheriff who issues my CCW says that you must do the range qualify course with a holster.

Holster? For a pocket .32? Ok so I wasn’t able to get the Guardian on my CCW license.

I still think it’s a great little gun. Only problem I’ve ever had is that is will CONSISTENTLY stovepipe with the last round in the magazine. No matter different magazines or different ammo. All the time, last round in the magazine.

I’ve heard that the NAA depends upon the next round in the magazine to eject the fired round so that the lat round will always stovepipe.

It never bothered me that much as it was the last round. I figured that if I needed to change magazines or needed follow up shots after six rounds of .32… I’ve screwed up real bad and nothing will help at that point.

arinvolvo
February 16, 2004, 03:03 AM
I have been shooting and carrying an Autauga MKII for some time, and while it is neither a Seecamp, nor an NAA, it is of the same general design and materials....yet cost me 199 dollars NIB, shoots ANYTHING i have EVER fed it, including hardball...and NEVER stovepipes on the last or any round.

The bad news is, the latest CDNN catalogue didnt have them in it...i think they are all out. :(

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=207013

Drjones
February 22, 2004, 10:10 PM
Bump. :)

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