Aimpoint Comp ML2 vs. Eotech 552


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dave3006
January 26, 2004, 08:29 PM
Which would you choose for mounting on a Mini-14 with an Ultimak scout scope mount? I have narrowed things down to these two choices. The Aimpoint can be cowitnessed with the iron sights. The Eotech has a circle within a dot reticle.
Any comments on which is the better scope?

(I live in Kali and the Mini is the best .223 CQB rifle our masters will let us have.)

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SIGarmed
January 26, 2004, 09:24 PM
I had an Aimpoint for a while before I sold it. Not because I didn't like it but because I needed the money at the time. It was a slightly older ML XD model with the 3MOA dot which was perfect IMHO.

These optics are being used with great success on the M-16 type military rifles and they'd work just as good with an AR.

You said you have a Ruger mini. Most of the accessories and mounts are made so that they fit perfect with the AR.
You can mount one on the mini but like on my M1A scout you may have to add a cheek peice to the stock or even change the stock. I wasn't able to have anything resembling cheek weld to the stock with this scope. So the iron sights wouldn't line up through the scope either, no cowitnessing sights. You have to remember the mini also isn't a AR.

I would imagine that you may run into the same with the Eotech.

I'd prepare to buy a cheek peice for your stock or invest in a new stock. Hopefully you won't have a problem.

Gordon
January 26, 2004, 09:59 PM
On an AR-15 a2 it is hard to beat an Aimpoint Comp ML2 in am ARMS #39 cowitnessed with sights. On a flat top AR: the ARMS Swansleeve extended (with riser) and the same Aimpoint with a buis pop up.. A friend has a Trigicon reflex on their goose neck on his AR-15 a1 and its OK, but not near as bright or rugged as above set up. I have played with a Doctor on an 1100 and a Marlin and a 1911 where it is now mounted and seems best on! The problem with the AR sight rigs I described is they cost more than a Mini 14! I think the eo tech would work ok .

Harry Tuttle
January 26, 2004, 11:20 PM
for those that don't know the Ultimak product:
http://www.ultimak.com/products/m4multiinst.jpg

i like the aimpoint m68
http://groups.msn.com/TheMarylandAR15ShootersSite/eotech1.msnw

heres a review of the Eo 500 series
http://groups.msn.com/TheMarylandAR15ShootersSite/eotech1.msnw

DJ E.
January 26, 2004, 11:46 PM
Hey Dave, how hard is it to mount the Ultimak mount and does it feel stable? Thanks...

DJ

rock jock
January 26, 2004, 11:56 PM
I assume you meant the EoTech 512. Why would you get the 552 unless you were planning to add a $4000 NV device?

dave3006
January 27, 2004, 12:03 AM
The Ultimak is in shipment. I just ordered it from Brownells.

I was considering the Eotech 552 because it uses AA batteries and is more durable than the standard versions. Nightvision is not a big consideration.

rock jock
January 27, 2004, 12:10 AM
The 512 also uses AA batteries and is just as durable.

hksw
January 27, 2004, 12:36 PM
As rj mentions, the 512 is the 552 without NV capabilities. (And cheaper too.)

Correia
January 27, 2004, 12:53 PM
I've used both. Like both. Really kind of depends on which one works better for your eye. I'm planning on getting an EO Tech myself.

I borrowed one at a recent 3 gun, mounted on the handguard of an M4 carbine. With the EO Tech and an unfamiliar weapon I was able to get 6 hits on a target at 40 yards in 1.8 seconds from the low ready. With practice on the sight I bet I could shave more time off of it. With that huge outer circle, you can just center a target in it and blaze away. I used it again at a 12 inch plate at 180 yards and hits were super easy.

I've also used the Aimpoint in competition, borrowed a Bushmaster with one mounted when my rifle broke half way through the match. Hits at 200 yards were a snap. Very fast sight.

Between the two I find that the EO Tech suits my eye a little better, and I'm planning on getting one when I can afford it.

I know that the EO Tech has less battery life, which may be an issue an issue. But I believe both are extreamly durable, as both seem to be extreamly popular with the troops.

mrcr0603
January 27, 2004, 01:04 PM
I just installed an Ultimak from Brownells:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid101/p8ba4a0f1cdda43ea0f8b299605ca3c2b/f9de4e8b.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid101/p84e9a17af67b2d858b27272a817e7219/f9de4e95.jpg

The instructions and installation of the Ultimak was straightforward, no problems.

About optic type .... I figure my Reflex has about the same profile as an EoTech; the stockweld for me is good with it so the EoTech should be too.

I tried one of my Aimpoint M2's on the ARMS #22M68 QD mount, and while it's optic window is lower than the Reflex, I still couldn't co-witness the irons through the sight.

You MIGHT be able to co-witness with an Aimpoint if you used the Aimpoint ring, the $25 one.


Chris

Willard
January 27, 2004, 03:02 PM
EOTech is my preference. I've used the Aimpoint and the EOTech and like them both, but feel the EOTech blows the Aimpoint out of the water. he smaller dot is great for distance, the big circle is unbelievably fast close up. IMO there is no comparison.

Chindo18Z
January 27, 2004, 04:13 PM
Aimpoint or Eotech...both good.

Just to throw another variable into the equation...consider what temperature conditions you expect the rig to operate in. Cold weather rapidly kills AA batteries. Lithium powered versions (of either manufacturer) are better suited to long hours in the winter outdoors. If you just anticipate occasional use at the range or indoor HD, AAs are OK. If you intend to have your red-dot reliably available (for more than a couple of hours at below 32 degrees), go with the lithium batteries. Yeah, AAs are cheaper and easier to find at the corner gas station. Lithiums have much longer shelf life, endure bitter cold, and provide many more hours of use.

Just a thought to consider...

dave3006
January 27, 2004, 08:23 PM
Thanks for all the replies. I purchased the Eotech 552 AA version today. I will let you know how it works out.

I am in So Kali. So, 32 degree weather is not an issue. I still may get some lithium batteries though.

Carnitas
January 28, 2004, 10:28 AM
I'll be interested to hear how you like it. I've been reseraching the same purchase for an M1A Scout.

I've been leaning towards the Aimpoint. The collective knowledge on the web that I've been able to gather suggests that the aiming recticle on the eotech is superrior; the large circle works for quick shooting, the dot works well for precision, the spacing between the dot and the bottom of the circle can be used to estimate bullet drop at range.

However the reticle seems to be the only high point of the eo-tech. The aimpoint seems to be more rugged, has much much much better battery life, is easier to adjust for brightness on the fly.

Reports suggest that the AP can be easily adjusted by quickly rolling the side mounted knob while the ET requires pressing the buttons on the face which is less intuitive, slower, and harder to do with gloves. The aimpoint can reliably be turned on when the gun is picked up at the beginning of the day and not shut off till the day is done.

fix
January 28, 2004, 10:40 AM
For pure function in its intended role, the EOTech is a superior sighting system. The Aimpoint is more than capable of filling the same role, but is better suited to applications where the sight is likely to undergo some rough handling.

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