Who Will Be The NEXT Great Nation?


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SteyrAUG
January 27, 2003, 10:15 PM
As we ponder the demise of our Great Nation at some future date and most of us believe we will go the ways of the Roman Empire as did every other nation who became great, did great things, then fell from within due to it's own excesses.

Just as surely some group of people will rear up, declare defiance, fight and win. They will build a great nation. Who do you think it will be?

And remember "we" were just a insignificant British colony. It can happen anywhere.

I wonder about the Greeks one day reclaiming their glory days. They were once the freest men in history, even more so than us at our height of freedom (pre Johnson Administration.)

I also wonder about one of the independent states of the former Soviet Union finally getting fed up enough to go their own way.

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Vladimir Berkov
January 27, 2003, 10:20 PM
We were not merely an insignificant backwater colony, but a well-educated erudite, region.

We built upon English common law, and borrowed much from the parent country.

So if you are expecting Somalia to spring forth into the next great empire, don't bother waiting.

SteyrAUG
January 27, 2003, 10:33 PM
Vladimir Berkov, I never suggested anything of the kind. I simply noted we were a "insignificant British colony" compared to what we became.

Also I don't believe ANY Islamic country (let alone Somalia) is capable of any form of greatness.

Airwolf
January 27, 2003, 10:58 PM
I think part of the trick to greatness is having not only the people and culture but the natural resources as well. In that respect the U.S. had a big boost on the rest of the world. As I look around you see Russia and China with great and diverse landmasses but much of that land is difficult to live and work on. In the U.S. much of the land and resources can be exploited with sufficient return on investment to make it profitable.

I hate to say it but since there is no more unexplored territory for a new culture to grow from (except the sea & space – and the initial investment and ROI isn’t there yet) the most likely scenario will be our fall from internal and external pressures with a new culture and government arising here ala Rome. The process is already underway with the seemingly unchecked invasion from the south and the constant erosion of culture, rights and responsibilities from within.

The "next great country" will be geographically the U.S. but it won't be Americans as we now know them running the show.

Zander
January 27, 2003, 11:07 PM
...is the current-day Red China. Once the revolution happens [and it will], the sheer weight of numbers will prevail.

The transition will be a might bumpy...:cool:

Gary H
January 27, 2003, 11:12 PM
Economically and militarily China will be a superpower. They lack only one thing and that element is very important. The Chinese culture lacks creativity. I don't mean an imaginative angle on making money. I don't mean artistic creativity, but rather the type of creativity that spawns new paradigms, ideas and technologies. The United States of America is great because it provides the environment for bringing new things into reality. It isn't about land, but rather stems from a freedom, education and spirit. A spirit which is presently being slowly eliminated by a growing political correctness, education falling prey to the least common denominator and freedom dying on the alter of apathy and historical ignorance.

Autolite
January 27, 2003, 11:16 PM
Think about it. You don't hear much about Saskatchewan. They've been awfully quiet for too long. I just know that Saskatchewan is up to something ...

Bostonterrier97
January 27, 2003, 11:19 PM
CHINA will be the NEXT superpower and CHINA WILL DOMINATE the PACIFIC REGION.

Their Economy has been growing at about 12% every year for the last 20 years. They are not only rapidly industrializing and creating whole new industrial bases within the country, but they are also MODERNIZING their Industries.

Additionally they are EDUCATING their Scientists, Financiers, and Engineers in Universities in the US, and they are attracting a tremendous amount of foreign investment.

They are also modernizing their transportation and communication infrastructures.

AND they are Modernizing their MILITARY.

One of the more Fascinating things they are doing is that their Military is almost completely SELF SUFFICIENT. The Peoples Liberation Army OWNS the Weapons Industry: NORINCO.

And the PLA gets a LOT of HARD CURRENCY from foreign sales!!!!

Yeah..CHINA is definately going to have an Empire.

Look out Japan!!!! (The Chinese are STILL p_ssed about Nanking and other atrocities!)

Basically according to my Chinese sources..China wants to control the sea lanes in the pacific and they want to control the off shore oil reserves off the coast of Vietnam.

(They also really want to take over Taiwan..by FORCE if necessary)

twoblink
January 27, 2003, 11:27 PM
The Chinese say; the "wealth dragon" rides from east to west...

So first came dominance by the turks, ottoman empire, then the greeks, then the romans, then the british, then the americans, then the japanese, and then, the slumbering red dragon that is CHINA will awake and devour all that is around it.

So says the predictions of history, and I see it as 110% true.

You cannot compete with China. It has 1/4th the world's population..

Cheap SKS's and AK's!!!:D

wQuay
January 27, 2003, 11:29 PM
The Greeks were not civilized, at least not according to our understanding of the word.

I think part of the trick to greatness is having not only the people and culture but the natural resources as well.

That certainly helps, but I don't think it's even one of the more important factors. Russia is extremely rich in natural resources, and yet backward and impoverished; the Dutch a few centuries ago had virtually no natural resources, and yet built a wealthy empire.

Imo, Christianity is the most important element. The revolt of the reformation against the Catholics and their supporting governments began the Western tradition of principled, intellectual revolution in behalf of the common people.

Selfdfenz
January 27, 2003, 11:29 PM
If the former Soviet Union actually turns out to have the oil deposits that are claimed to be there, and they can get their crime situation under control (and I think they will), there will be no stopping them. Give'em 50 to 75 years and they could be a real financial powerhouse.

S-

bigjim
January 27, 2003, 11:34 PM
It will be FRANCE!!!!

Just Kidding

Uncle Ethan
January 27, 2003, 11:34 PM
China is also in process to control the Panama Canal. However, I think it will be a toosup as to whether China can throw off the Communist yoke quicker than the U.S. can be reborn as a New Republic. Democracies work about as well as Socialism.

Traveler
January 27, 2003, 11:45 PM
The problem with Russia is they don't have 50-75 years. Unless China goes tribal, and with no opposition to the current government in sight that's not likely, China will either have to take and move either north or south to get the oil it's people will need.

India still wants superpower status and has a huge population and halfway decent army.

Japan will go the way of Switzerland if they can.

Tribal predjudices will keep the EU from ever reaching the status they could have if they could reach a federal govenment like the USA.

Indonesia is too spread out and hard to govern, and land poor to boot.

Austrailia and New Zealand lack the people and the resources.

South America is to torn by macho fantasies to ever become a single unified nation, but if it could it would definitely get superpower status.

Africa is the open wound of the world.

The Arab States have been fighting each other for thousands of years. Their prejudices are too entwined with the culture to ever make them effective.

The next superpower will be built by a major military action, and casualties will be 1/6 th of the worlds population.

chaim
January 28, 2003, 12:06 AM
If you were asking for the next great superpower or economic power I'd say watch China, India, Russia (again), the EU, even Brazil, Chile or Argentina (the South American nations I mention have a lot of potential- large and well educated populations, well developed middle classes, relatively modern economies, modern democracies- they just need to get their economies more under control).

Since you are asking the bigger question as to what nation/culture will rise out of the ashes sort of thing I have no idea. It will probably be someone with a rich cultural background and a decent population as well as natural resources and a good location. Iran (again- they were the Persians), Iraq (again- Mesopotamia), China, India, a conglomeration of modern Arabic countries, Europe, the Americas, even Israel- who knows but all of these have potential.

Wildalaska
January 28, 2003, 12:27 AM
China, undoubtedly...the world will be chinese....

WildnehowmaAlaska

BerettaNut92
January 28, 2003, 01:02 AM
Too bad the redcoats gave Hong Kong back to China. Our nice little colony of rice pickers and merchants could have probably bought out China at one time!

mack
January 28, 2003, 01:11 AM
Trust me on this, America will be the last great nation state.

That's the good news and the bad news.

Eventually there will develop, if we survive, a world government. It's driving ethos will be the greatest material good for the greatest number. Corporations will become more powerful than the vestiges of the nation states. And money and material possessions will be the measure of a man's worth. We are well on the way.

Zorro
January 28, 2003, 01:29 AM
What is a Tank compared to 6 HEAVILY! Armed Rednecks in a Pickup Truck?

TARGET PRACTICE! :D

California is just too GAY! to ever even BE A FRANCE!

Brazil? It just went Communist.

Gary H
January 28, 2003, 02:03 AM
Mack:

You might be much closer to the truth than the rest of us. All of us assume that the world survives our technology. Perhaps the stated question distracts us from the real question...

Is our level on consciousness sufficiently high to withstand our technology?

sixgun_symphony
January 28, 2003, 03:39 AM
China will become a world superpower though I must say that Japan has the potential to supercede them if they were to shed their pacifism and build another Imperial Navy.

England, France, and Germany are far too pacifist to have any real influence in the world. The nations of Western Europe are decadent, socialist, and so full of Third World economic refugees that I dare say that Europe may no longer exist by the next century. The greying and childless Europeans are even now being replaced by the much more fecund populations migrating in from an overpopulated Third World.
The only way for Europe to recover would be if the Eastern European nations (especially Russia) were to take control over the rest of Europe. It is unlikely to happen as Eastern Europe has been crippled by decades of communism and by post communist era corruption.


India may become a superpower, if they can survive both Pakistan and China.


Argentina has some potential.


Israel will not exist by the next century if they allow the Arabs to build a Palestinian homeland in the West Bank and Gaza. The Jordan River is a natural border and its always good fences that make good neighbors.
If the Arab population were driven to Jordan and the West Bank filled with Jewish settlers, then Israel will become a bigger and more powerful nation.

voilsb
January 28, 2003, 04:06 AM
I vote for jamaica. everybody loves an island paradice ... and they will conquer the world.

which is really just my BS way of saying "I dunno, I never thought about it. but it gives me an excuse to post"

Marshall
January 28, 2003, 06:06 AM
In history, if you compare the age of a nation to it's status of power in the world the USA is truly an amazing amount ahead, to the point of being staggering. The reason for this is that a government was formed by it's people to work for the people that guaranteed certain basic rights and promoted God, a nation as one under him, freedom for it's people and sets of laws that protected the people from it's government and laws that guided it's people to prevent a chaotic society.

This allowed a culture to grow on it's own, without reprisals, and it's people to benefit from their own endeavours. It's a system that rewarded the individual and promoted thinking, invention, ownership and prosperity.

We were given moral, ethical, religious and legal guidelines to live by. When these were followed more so than today, I submit to you, that is the time period America was a great nation, when referred to as that by most people today. The more we steer away from these things the less great we will become.

The best devices we were given, was a way to change what we don't like, a way to voice what that is and, the freedom to do both!

In a simplistic nutshell, this is why America is a Superpower!

Finally, a true superpower is not made overnight and not able to be dismanteled in the same way. A superpower has to have longevity and a system in place that will promote and sustain that. Until other countries have what we have formed, they are not, nor will ever be a true superpower! In it's rawest form, a superpower is it's people, weapons are merely the stick in our hand!


Marshall

illuminatus99
January 28, 2003, 06:40 AM
japan is hardly pacifist, the only reason they don't have a large military force is because of article 8 of their constitution (as part of the treaty at the end of WWII) banning them from establishing a standing army.

seeker_two
January 28, 2003, 09:07 AM
China.
Brazil.
Argentina.
Texas.:D

Boats
January 28, 2003, 09:24 AM
Without a decent blue water Navy, no country can hope to be more than a regional "superpower." America can basically set up shop anywhere in the world with its floating airfields guarded by submarines and guided missile cruisers. Two or three of them in a task force are more potent than all but one or two of the world's current air forces. With five on station, they are more potent than any land based air force save our own.

China has a long slog ahead of it to be anything more than a regional power. They do not have the power projection capability to even take Tiawan at the moment.

ZekeLuvs1911
January 28, 2003, 09:42 AM
I really don't mean to get religous on all of you but the next great nation will also be the last. By that I mean the One World Government of Revelations. This is probably be the EU. After all, the events in the world today all point to it.

Ol' Badger
January 28, 2003, 09:51 AM
I read some where that China can field 6000 aircraft. Mostly 60"s junk. I say throw down with them now before they get to big to handle short of Nuke'em to hell. Hit'em first and last and many times in between.

2nd Amendment
January 28, 2003, 10:03 AM
Mack is correct on this. We are the last great nation state. The next "great" governing body will be global. It's the goal of the powerful, the natural evolution of the beast and it's fueled and enabled by technology. The final instigator will probably be some nuclear conflict touched off by the likes of Pakistan and India.

Snowdog
January 28, 2003, 10:07 AM
Well, Seeker_Two beat me to it... I believe Brazil will be quite the formidable powerhouse inside a couple hundred years. However, I can see China prospering such within the Jakota triangle that I believe they will actually be "the next". Once capitalism takes firm root, democracy will eventually follow.

NewShooter78
January 28, 2003, 11:14 AM
Well its a difficult question to ponder actually. For China to pull off true powerhouse status it would need to shed communism for some sort of capitalist system whether it be democratic in nature, or more likely socialist capitalism like in Europe. India isn't quite what I look at as being a superpower because its people still live in third world status, even if its army and government doesn't. Plus I don't think it will be what it is after Pakistan and them get into it.

I don't look at South America as rising up to superpower status either. If major conflicts were to start taking place there, inevitable the UN and NATO would suck us into going down there and mopping up the mess.

I could see Russia reunifing, though, and retaking its role as a true superpower if they could somehow get rid of the religious infighting in the Balkans. They still have much of thier nuclear weapons, and I think they could rebuild a hugh standing army and navy. They just need to find a way to refurbish their economic wealth. They need to find a manufacturing staple to completely exploit, and they need to find something or someone for all the ex-soviets to unify around.

I think the Middle East is eventually going to self destruct, and that Israel will be the starting point of a long war there. The muslims will try and create another Ottoman Empire, but at great costs in lives and resources.

Most of Western Europe I feel will be lost in the next few decades. They are pacifying themselves as we speak, and making them ripe for invasion from forces surrounding them whether it be Russia, China, or a Middle East Conglomerate.

In short, I think we are going to go back to an empire type system as was in history before. And we will be the lone standouts, but it would be next to impossible to stand alone forever considering the mass amount of border area to cover. And I don't like the idea anymore than anyone else, but unless we can spread our borders farther, then we are in a world of trouble.

SteyrAUG
January 28, 2003, 11:34 AM
One point I disagree with with some of you. IF, and it is not absolute that it will happen, we do get a global government it will eventually fail. Might even last a couple centuries, but it will fail from excesses just as surly as McDonalds in Moscow killed the Soviet Union.

And a post global government would be ripe for the next Great One. And to be optimistic for a moment, rising to greatness and doing great things are part of mans nature. Especially in the face of despair and failure.

While I have little doubt that we will eventually screw this country up beyond repair, I also have faith that somewhere a group will stand up and say "Ok that is enough of this." Just as we did some 200 odd years ago.

556A2
January 28, 2003, 11:43 AM
China seems to me to be the only country that could pull off being the next superpower. Russia could very well be, but they have too many internal problems to do anything right now. The EU I think would have too many problems on deciding who will have the most say so (Plus if its the French running it they would just surrender to a peasant army anyways :D )

chieftain
January 28, 2003, 12:02 PM
India,

Democratic

Moral

Hard working

Respects education

Not socialistic

Understands that central control is the death nell of a country/culture.

Good military (Has Aircraft carriers)

Probably would survive a nuclear run in with the Pakistani's.
____________________________________________________

China is the dark horse.

If they can throw off the yoke of communisum/socialism read that as central control of the economy and culture.

Capitalism and democracy is the basic requirnment for a great nation.

Even Europe in the dark ages, Venice, Holland, even the UK were very progressive with their governments and economies.

The Magna Carta is what brought the UK the underlying power and the Parllament was developed into a working Democratic/capitalistic society that worked. After the First world war, as the society chose socialism and central control, the society and economy has been in a downward spiral until Magraret Thatcher.

Now It is a matter of caving into the Socialist EU or remain a free country!

The weakness of the EU is their Central Control.

If Central Control worked, there would still be a Soviet Union. They tried to make it work for 70 years.

Central control solves very few large problems, but nothing but the people can solve most of the problems, voting with their dollars and their feet, day in and day out.

oh, hell I got on a rant, sorry guy's.

Democracy/Capitalism/minimal central control/moral culture/respect for education. These are the seeds and life blood of any successful major society.

Look around you and look who is for these things and who is against, and you will see who your real personal enemy is!

Fred

And May God Bless America

Kaylee
January 28, 2003, 12:23 PM
re the socialist, central controlling EU countries.. there's a dark horse there, to. The national GOVERNMENTS are indeed just as you say. But the new European Central Bank is even more independent than our own Fed, and gets a great deal of say-so over whether member nations can even belong to the EMU. If they collapse their economies too far with socialist pipe dreams, they get booted out and can't use the Euro any more. You prolly heard a couple years back when some of the countries were either cutting programs, raising taxes, or doing a little "creative accounting" to meet the banker's requirements for entry. If they can't keep it up... they're out.

Which as a long term device, means that the EU has a chance to be a big player again. That, or self destruct.

Still.... I suppose my vote is that America is already in the early Caeser period of Rome.. we've been on the road to Empire since WWII, and barring CWII or a massive groundswell change of public opinion, we'll be in the same fix within a century. Still a superpower, but not recognizably American in spirit.

Other biggies.... hard to say, but if China learns the right lessons from Hong Kong watch out.


Any way you slice it.. the 21st century is going to be remembered for one of two things... the death of Liberty or the death of the modern nationstate.

I'm betting on the latter, but then I'm an optimist. :)

Jim March
January 28, 2003, 12:45 PM
It's all about resources, in the end.

The biggest untapped pool of resources on land is Siberia. Vying for it is Russia (can they get their economy in gear enough to exploit it while fending off China militarily?), China, Japan and in at least one scenario, the US.

I'm not saying we'd invade; there have been some serious proposals floating around where we BUY a large chunk of it with private investment cash, put up the US flag, Russia gets a massive chunk of coin to help them use the rest of it plus help fend off China, etc. The US is the one nation on earth that can go toe to toe with China; nobody else has the air strike power we do, and across huge swaths of wilderness, our ability to do long-range mass-HE strikes with the Bone (B1B) and support craft is unmatched.

Japan might pull the same trick, but would need a big military built up muy pronto to, you guessed it, fend off China. My bet is, they don't have the cash and are out of the running barring a miracle. They'd be better off heading to sea for resources and a really big technology push is the one thing we know they can do.

But there's also sea-based resources and if we can GET there fast enough, space-based. The US is well in the lead for both.

The two real wildcards are "how soon can China ditch communism?" and "can the Russians get their (ahem) together?".

Longshot: the Arabs get their act together somehow and use the incoming money to fund other energy technologies, mass-scale desalination (while retaining the seawater minerals/goodies), etc. Not gonna happen, for cultural reasons. Oh well.

India: not enough access to conventional resources, not enough money to fund high-tech access to sea/space resources. Out of the running.

Selfdfenz
January 28, 2003, 12:57 PM
"The final instigator will probably be some nuclear conflict touched off by the likes of Pakistan and India."

....and that tragedy will set the rest of the World back a total of
15 minutes.

While there is a considerable fear about the EU and the World Bank lets face the facts.
-Europe has always been forced to share something on the level of a common economy. They all have the same coinage now but have no common cultural perspectives. Kiss off of the NWO coming out of Europe in any workable form.
-Only 6-8 months ago the Brits were threatening to pull out of the EU.
-European nations have paroxisms of peace and war. They are at peace now but given the past 100 years don't expect that to last forever.
-Europe has not the where-with-all to bring the World to its knees financially or otherwise.

I still vote for the former SU. They have the resources. There are many cultural differences across the SU but in going for a better standard of living capitalism will unify them. They are in many ways more like Americans than they are different. They do infact have 50-75 years. They aren't going anywhere. Better leadership is the key to how fast that happens.

Wouldn't it be strange if 100 years from now Russia came to be the center of liberty and personal freedom in the World that many Americans desire to maintain (and esp.THR members) but which we are afraid are being eroded and stolen.
They become what once we were, and we what they once were.
Ain't gonna happen in China.

S-

Scott Evans
January 28, 2003, 02:01 PM
There will be 4 world powers:

China
Russia
Europe
And the US

China will ally their industrial might with Russian materials and resources and attempt to expand their control through the pacific and south and south west Asia. As such they will have the strength, manpower and endurance to wage an all out war against both Europe and the US. As we resist their efforts they will eventually invade with beach heads in Panama, Mexico California and Alaska. The war at home will shift and pin our efforts on saving ourselves. This will remove our obstruction to China’s expansion. Europe seeing our dilemma and in realizing that we won’t be carrying most of the weight for them on their end this time will make peace at near any cost and leave the US to fend for itself. This we will do but will immerge with little care for what happens to Europe from then on and an isolationist policy will take hold. “Fortress America” will be our goal for sometime there after.

sixgun_symphony
January 28, 2003, 02:49 PM
japan is hardly pacifist, the only reason they don't have a large military force is because of article 8 of their constitution (as part of the treaty at the end of WWII) banning them from establishing a standing army.

There is a strong pacifist sentiment in Japan, otherwise they would have ignored that part of the constitution by the 1980's.

Chris Rhines
January 28, 2003, 03:02 PM
My money's on Costa Rica.

- Chris

Viking6
January 28, 2003, 03:06 PM
I read where populations are now seen to be in decline and not just the Northern Hemisphere. At some point whatever the percentage of the world population we, the US, are, will not be allowed to be the consumers of whatever ( I am sure someone on this board knows the exact number, I just know it's way out of proportion) percentage of the earth's natural resources that we now consume. The Third World will demand a more equitable (I didn't say fair or even right) share of the resources - many that reside within their own borders- and they'll get it. We'll have fragmentation within this great country and serious fighting among groups based on region, ethnicity, socio-economic differences or any other difference demagogues can use as grist for their mills. No one nation will step in to take the lead because every nation will be trying to maintain stability within their own borders. OR some technological advance will solve all the disease, hunger and hatred and we'll all stroll along in our togas playing our harps and tossing rose petals. And alas, this too will pass.

BigG
January 28, 2003, 03:39 PM
Which brings up a question: Which do you prefer, Soylent Yellow, Soylent Red, or Soylent Green? :D

Selfdfenz
January 28, 2003, 03:43 PM
Re: China as the next superpower

You scenario is worth considering.

One fly in the ointment is while I bet half of the ICBMs in the former Soviet Union might not function on a moments notice these days.......all of ours will.
With our sub forces alone what would be left of China would make the Ming Dynasty look pretty modern.
A point not lost on the Chinese me thinks.

Trade is revolutionizing China. And re-politicizing it too. In ten more years they will be too hooked on consumerism to go military on anyone. Their population will come to buy what it needs just like the rest of the world and will be dependent on international trade. They are already.

I don't think the Chinese, alone or in consort, will ever invade anybody using force of arms. Not even Tiawan.
And I believe we have pretty much declared we will look carefully at what happens in North and South America.
S-

HS/LD
January 28, 2003, 04:08 PM
Who Will Be The NEXT Great Nation?

Well that is obvious...

NEW ZEALAND!

KIWIS WILL RULE THE WORLD!

:D

HS/LD

:neener:

CWL
January 28, 2003, 04:37 PM
Great Nations/Empires/Societies must command both secure regions (continents) but a relatively homogenous people with common interests-this includes economic beliefs (capitalism).

USA -obviously, secure borders & similarity of capitalistic beliefs, technical & natural resources
China -strong homogenous society, secure borders, expanding economic power
European Union -strong technical/manufacturing power combined with realization of global v. national identity.

Smaller players will remain:
England
India
Russia
Japan
Australia
Possibly: Brazil
Indonesia
Iran
Strong enough to influence regional & global politics, not powerful enough to lead the way. Weakened by small/or large populations, lack of natural resources, stronger neighbors/enemies, internal/religious strife, etc.

TheFrontRange
January 28, 2003, 05:18 PM
Which brings up a question: Which do you prefer, Soylent Yellow, Soylent Red, or Soylent Green?

"PEOPLE!!! Soylent Green is PEOPLE!!!"

(Sorry, BigG started it and I could not help myself...)
:D

Croyance
January 28, 2003, 05:51 PM
Russia's problems are many. Organized crime is a very significant presence there. Much of the population longs for the days when the Soviets were in control and life (such as it was) was more predicatable. The education and technology prevelant in the country is at third world levels.
Their political boundaries cover much of the world's untapped resourses, but they do not have the ability to use it.
China has a quiet economic interest in some of the old Soviet countries. Count on them to use it to keep Russia off balance.
In addition to what has been said about China, the people themselves are more capitalist than you might think. The dynasties and regiemes have never had total control.
A "World Government" might not survive its own birth. It would certainly speed the day to a revolution.

Cosmoline
January 28, 2003, 06:07 PM
My own two-bit theory:

--Russia is a shadow of its former self. The most it can hope for is semi-stable government and an economy a little better than the third world's

--China has great potential, but it is a long way from global superpower. It has no deep water navy, and its political system is not nearly as stable as it appears. Nor is China the homogenous mass it's made out to be in the West. There are a multitude of ethnic groups and even language groups in China.

--Latin America, Africa, and SE Asia are too poor for the time being.

So who does that leave? Ask yourself what nations have been the biggest thorns in our side since 9/11 and you get:

THE EUROPEAN UNION

That's the next great enemy. Led by a reunited Germany, the EU will oppose the US more and more on the global scene. They alone are able to challenge US intervention in foreign lands, and they alone could mount a military response. I think we're going to come to blows with the EU by 2050. Sound crazy? Maybe, but it would not be first or last time the best of allies became the worst of enemies. It's already happening.

NewShooter78
January 28, 2003, 06:29 PM
I doubt the EU will last that long. And I doubt that all nations share the beliefs of France and Germany. Their biggest reasons for opposing the so called "war" with Iraq is because of the vast investments they have there. That is also why Russia is going against us as well.

rock jock
January 28, 2003, 06:30 PM
Texas, and any other state that has the cohunas to join us. (But we will still be called Texas:D ).

Ol' Badger
January 28, 2003, 06:30 PM
I liked Omega Man better. Drive around blasting away at relidgous zombies.
Cant beat that satchal charge under the car scene. BOOM!

Cosmoline
January 28, 2003, 06:46 PM
What really has me scared is that FRANCE AND GERMANY AGREE! What's more, they've agreed to oppose us! These are the same two nations who's longstanding disputes were central to the worst wars in world history. If they can patch things up and decide to oppose us, as they appear to have done, I'm deeply concerned.

It's hardly scientific, but I have spoken to quite a few Euro-citizens on line, and with very few exceptions they scare the hell out of me. They REALLY DO want to come over and take away our firearms! Unlike the Chinese, they want to re-make the world in their own image.

sixgun_symphony
January 28, 2003, 06:57 PM
The Euro-socialists loved Bill Clinton and they share the same ideology as the American Left. It's not so much a US -vs- Europe as it is the Left that is trying to undermine and destroy Western Civilization from within.

Remember when Jessie Jackson and those "liberal" students were chanting "Hey, Ho! Western Civ has got to Go!"?

Go read Buchanin's book "Death of the West" to understand why the Left is on the side of militant Islam in this clash of civilizations.

Uncle Ethan
January 28, 2003, 08:00 PM
Fair is fair- let's send over to the euro-citizens case lots of "Irish Spring" soap and some strong deodorant. If they smell better they might get more energetic and produce something.:fire:

CAP
January 28, 2003, 08:36 PM
The good old USA and China.
It'll take a while longer to break the Chinese of Communism than it took to break the old Soviet block though. :banghead: :cuss: :fire:

TheFrontRange
January 29, 2003, 09:48 AM
I liked Omega Man better. Drive around blasting away at relidgous zombies. Cant beat that satchal charge under the car scene. BOOM!

I have only seen "Omega Man" once, many moons ago...I must rent it for a refresher. I think I remember a scene where CH drives something like a convertible Mercury Cougar right off the showroom floor of a car dealership, right through the plate glass windows!:D Didn't he wield a Smith and Wesson M-76 submachine-gun during that flick, too?

Viking6
January 29, 2003, 10:11 AM
The Omega Man was a great flick when I saw it in the theater the first time and an okay flick after that. I don't remember the exact scenes but there were a few when I almost jumped out of my seat and my girl friend at the time almost dug a hole in the palm of my hand. I read the book that is was based on a few years later; it was called "My Name is Legend" or something like that. Mot much to speak of IMHO.

Joe Demko
January 29, 2003, 10:27 AM
it was called "My Name is Legend" or something like that. Mot much to speak of IMHO.

"The Omega Man" and "The Last Man on Earth", starring Vincent Price, were both based on "I am Legend" by Richard Matheson. The Vincent Price flick stays closer to the original source material and, despite lower production values, is the better movie. Probably the biggest mistake they made in "Omega Man" was changing Matheson's ending to a more upbeat Hollywood-style ending. Vincent Price is also a better actor than Charlton Heston, but in the case of these two movies, we have to cut Moses a little slack because of the lousy script under which he labored.

2nd Amendment
January 29, 2003, 10:34 AM
I thought Omega Man was a pretty doggone good flick. It doesn't hold up too badly, even today. As for Price being the better actor...maybe, when he wasn't being so completely over the top you couldn't tell. I'll have to find Last Man.

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