Virtually new 1950 Colt Detective Special!


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hariph creek
September 24, 2011, 09:09 PM
First of all, I'm sorry I can't post pictures. I have a 1950 Colt Detective Special, it looks as good as could imagined. Bluing is 100%, no cylinder line, no wear marks, perfect. It has been fired, or so I've been told. No box, though.

I'm going to use it. It's made to be carried and shot. I plan on ordering an offset clip IWB in horsehide, from Lobo.

I would like to use 158 gr LSWCHP, not +p. Is Buffalo Bore's version of this load safe. I plan on shooting 20rds initially, then aprox. 10-20rds per year. To burn off carry ammo.

Beyond that, I will load the softest shooting 158gr LSWC's that will group well.

Sound advisable?

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Digger
September 24, 2011, 10:07 PM
If you have no emotional connection to this gun, you might be better off selling (this should fetch a nice price) and getting a newer, lighter carry piece. You should be able to buy a gun and a holster or two for what you get out of that DS. Just my opinion-I have about 10 of those, but carry a Ruger LCR...

PRM
September 24, 2011, 10:30 PM
Great gun!!! I have a 1966 DS that is close to mint. My DS 3rd model gets the most usage, only because it shows some wear (all from me). The Colts are classics and are definitely an heirloom firearm. I agree on your choice of non+P ammo. Why shoot something the gun was not designed for. There are tons of standard velocity ammo out there.

I've been an LEO and carrying Colt revolvers since 1977. I've got the option now ~ something that has served me well for over 30 years. After, a round count in the thousands, I'm more than happy with mine.

hariph creek
September 25, 2011, 01:07 AM
It was my dads. I knew he had a snub .38 when I was growing up, I just never saw it. We were never close after I grew up. I wanted more out of life than getting stoned and partying all the time. My grandfather gave him his guns (Savage M99 in .300 Savage, some kind of semi-auto in 6mm, and one of those hump back Remington 12ga semi-autos). Between my dad and my brother, a chip off the old block, they trashed them. The M99 was supposed to be mine, but it's a wreck.
My dad died about a year and a half ago. He had a medium sized fire safe that nobody could open afterwards. My brother gets the house, and everything else of course. Well he found the combo recently, not much in there, or so he says. Anything of value would have disappeared. I'm glad he doesn't know guns because the Colt was in there.
He thinks it's just some crappy 'saturday night special'. They do look odd compared to modern stainless, lugged, magnums. You know with that ejector rod hanging out there, and those plastic grips. I guess he shot it with my dad and neither one could even get a pattern, let alone a group.
So little brother agreed that I should get the snub. You know since he got the house, the cars, and anything else. No money though, dad was broke.
My dad never gave me anything, so I'll happily take this 'crappy thing'. With a clean consience, too. I had my gunsmith 'check it into the system', and do a FFL transfer. So it's clean and legaly mine.

So short story long, sentimental because of me dad, no. But a sweet gun that I would happliy buy and carry, funds permitting, yes.
I've been looking for a new snub for carry. Always been a S&W guy before but, I have been looking at these, too. Been looking for something more than a J-frame, but K-frames are a bit big. By the time I'm packing one of those, I might as well strap on my Delta Elite.
This is perfect, I like to carry something I truly enjoy. They're more than just tools for me.
I like steel guns, I like old styles before the art went out of them.

So yep, I'm gonna carry it and shoot it.

ArchAngelCD
September 25, 2011, 01:32 AM
Nothing wrong with carrying a DS, I like the fact it has 6 rounds yet is smaller than a S&W K frame.

From what I'm told the DS is stronger than the older S&W revolvers and if you are only going to shoot 20 rounds a year you will do no harm shooting today's +P ammo since it's really not that hot. I personally feel Buffalo bore ammo is hotter than most ammo on the market anyway. Of course this is only my opinion you you will have to do what you think is right.

I'm glad you got the Colt...

PabloJ
September 25, 2011, 08:32 AM
If you have no emotional connection to this gun, you might be better off selling (this should fetch a nice price) and getting a newer, lighter carry piece. You should be able to buy a gun and a holster or two for what you get out of that DS. Just my opinion-I have about 10 of those, but carry a Ruger LCR...
It's fine 6-shot carry revolver is very small package. I would not be afraid to put some wear on it. There are plenty out there LNIB in folks closets that are sure to come out as the country sinks deeper and deeper into financial difficulties. The pickings will be even better next year.

MifflinKid
September 25, 2011, 11:02 AM
QUOTE]I would like to use 158 gr LSWCHP, not +p. Is Buffalo Bore's version of this load safe.[/QUOTE]

I've been using these in my Detective Special and Cobra for several years. I can't detect any loosening of either.

I plan on shooting 20rds initially, then aprox. 10-20rds per year.

That's very similar to what I've been doing also. And that is probably why I can't detect any loosening. For technique practice I just use top-end, non-P+ reloads with 158 grain SWCs.

Just get a good holster or two.

W.E.G.
September 25, 2011, 11:10 AM
First of all, I'm sorry I can't post pictures.

You do know you can get a fully adequate digital camera on eBay for about the same price as one box of ammo.

I've been using one of these (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-COOLPIX-4300-4-0-MP-Digital-Camera-Silver-128mb-Card-Included-/120782210510?pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item1c1f2e45ce) for several years.

Works real good.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/pistol%20pics/Model%2060/Model60-357withammo.jpg

Guillermo
September 25, 2011, 11:32 AM
that is a great carry revolver. One of the finest ever made in my never-so-humble-opinion

shoot all the "+P" you want out of it.

The regular pressure rounds in 1950 are about the same pressure as the "+P" of today.

They emasculated the .38 special around 1970 and started selling us what had been normal power as "+P".

The myth that "+P" is a hot round is persistent but patently untrue.

BTW, I have an old roached Cobra, the alloy version of the Detective Special. It had been used ALOT before I bought it. As it is lighter than my normal carry gun I put a couple of thousand "+P" through it to get used to the recoil. Shockingly accurate gun.

Now some folks are going to come along and say ""+P" is hot...don't shoot it except out of .357 magnums." If they say that, they are saying that your gun should not have beem used with the regular ammo that the shop owner sold with the gun in 1950.

Absolutely ridiculous. :banghead:

PRM
September 25, 2011, 02:09 PM
Now some folks are going to come along and say ""+P" is hot...don't shoot it except out of .357 magnums." If they say that, they are saying that your gun should not have beem used with the regular ammo that the shop owner sold with the gun in 1950.

Absolutely ridiculous.

I agree with the older hotter, newer +P as being similar or close to the same, argument.

But, how much do you really need? They are classics and are no longer made. I've never had anything a standard velocity round wouldn't do.

My favorite for carry is the Federal Nyclad HP .38 in standard velocity.

LRN, SWC or WC for the range make up the bulk of what I shoot.

hariph creek
September 25, 2011, 02:33 PM
It looks like Buffalo Bore's standard pressure 158gr LSWCHP is doing about the same velocity as most +p's from other companies.
From what I've been reading it is more similar to the pressures that .38 used to be. It seems that what is now called +p would have been called standard then.
B.B. lists pretty respectable velocities from snubs with this load. It's been my experience that their claims are pretty trustworthy. This load is really tailored for snubs and it's flash suppressed.
I have considered Remington's +p version of this load, it's cheaper. But, I can't find any off the shelf locally. B.B. on the other hand, is available locally. I like to be able to find my SD ammo off the shelf. It's kind of weird that the, once upon a time ubiquitis, Remington load is AWOL. But, the botique high end B.B. load is available.
Oh well, I guess I've rambled enough.

Is this old enough that I should use snap caps? I believe in dry fire.

hariph creek
September 25, 2011, 02:55 PM
As far as pictures, I do everything from my almost smartphone. It won't post pictures. Or at least I can't figure it out. Neither can my wife, and she's a tech geek.

Guillermo
September 25, 2011, 04:43 PM
Or at least I can't figure it out

upload to photobucket or the like and post the link

joed
September 25, 2011, 07:56 PM
The Colt DS is a terrific revolver. About 8 years ago I picked up a Colt Cobra which is the same gun with an alloy frame. Mine was from the 50's and was probably unfired. I used it for concealed carry for a few years till I found out what it was worth and how the alloy frame doesn't last forever.

I traded to the owner of a gunshop for a newer DS and some cash. It's heavier but I like it. I'd rather have the DS then a S&W model 36.

hariph creek
September 25, 2011, 11:34 PM
up...load?

hariph creek
September 27, 2011, 08:50 PM
So I showed it to my wife, and she said... "Oh, that's mine, it goes in my purse now!"
It's funny because, when I look through archived threads. That seems to be pretty common?

Victor69
September 28, 2011, 12:47 PM
Then snap away!

Frank V
September 28, 2011, 12:52 PM
Hariph
I use the Buffalo Bore .38 Special 158gr lead SWC HP NON +P load in a DS without qualms. Buffalo Bore says the velocity is 850fps (gun not specified) I've gotten 876fps from the 2" DS. This is from a non +P load. It's what I carry.
Frank

Victor69
September 28, 2011, 12:53 PM
Then you'll be able to take pictures like this !http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz95/VictorCastle/SW19-4AB.jpg
Or this since we'er talking about a Detective Special.
http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz95/VictorCastle/ColtDS.jpg

hariph creek
September 28, 2011, 02:42 PM
Oh, I can take pictures. It's getting them posted that's the problem. I've tried photobucket, it never seems to work right for me. I do acknowledge that it's operator error though. In the end it's not worth the irratation. In theory my I should be able to take a picture with my phone and upload and post from there. I've even got directions from the manufacturer. When I try to execute the process the phone freezes.
We've got a digital camera, it doesn't plug in and communicate with my phone. Our home computer is down and will be for sometime. I do all online stuff from my phone.

hariph creek
September 28, 2011, 02:50 PM
I may sell it after all. I like it, it's the perfect size, looks cool too.
But that sure isn't a S&W action, is it?
The trigger is sharp and has such a curve that it manages to rub about 180 degrees of skin raw. While at the same time pinching either the top or bottom of my finger while resetting.
Doesn't seem to stage either.

Can anybody recommend any grip makers? I ask because if I had something like a T-Grip it would better position my hand. I'm not sure that I want a T-Grip though. There are'nt alot of grips for the long frame round butt.
Barami is appealing, if I go with a T-Grip.

OldCavSoldier
September 28, 2011, 05:14 PM
So I showed it to my wife, and she said... "Oh, that's mine, it goes in my purse now!"
It's funny because, when I look through archived threads. That seems to be pretty common?
Wait until she shows her "new purse gun" to her friends. You will start getting calls from her friends' husbands calling you all sorts of names for "your giving your wife a Colt Dick Special for her purse gun" and raising questions from her friends "why can't I have one, too?"

You are now, indeed, one of the brotherhood!!

hariph creek
September 29, 2011, 01:49 AM
Oh, she can want it. But, it's mine.

hariph creek
September 29, 2011, 03:27 PM
I'm going to keep it. I've got more questions but, I'll start new threads in the appropriate places.

Thanks

Thaddeus Jones
September 29, 2011, 03:30 PM
Congrats! I'm green with envy! ;)

I keep looking for a nice DS at all the local shows. Someday!

ProShooter
September 29, 2011, 03:38 PM
Here's my DS, third gen.

Carry it all the time...

http://www.mdshooters.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=43982&stc=1&d=1316147147

451 Detonics
September 29, 2011, 04:53 PM
Shoot it, carry it...they are great guns for SD. My normally plays in the role of a jacket pocket gun in colder weather as as a BUG to my 325PD. A Colt Factory shroud is a nice addition if you can find one...

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z271/reloader1959/handguns/coltcase2.jpg

hariph creek
September 29, 2011, 06:20 PM
I think I would rather bob the hammer. I'll see if I can make it work 'as is' first.

sixgunner455
September 29, 2011, 07:19 PM
doesn't your wife deserve the best? :D I've lost a carry gun to my wife, you know. I don't miss it - it's in her purse!

hariph creek
September 30, 2011, 12:35 AM
She doesn't carry. She's one of those people that says she 'could never shoot somebody'.
Of course, if something goes bump in the night, she's all for self defense then. Or, if something 'not right' could be going down, then it's, ”honey you've got your gun right?”.
She doesn't want to take seriously the need for defense, until she actually needs to defend herself. By then, it's too late.
I love the saying... When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

She likes semi-autos better anyway. She can't shoot a revolver double action very well. If she ever were to carry, she likes the little P-series 9mm Kahrs.

Frank V
September 30, 2011, 05:48 AM
Hariph
A method I use when drawing from a pocket is to put my thumb over the hammer as I bring the gun out of the pocket. My thumb acts as a shield & keeps the hammer from snagging on my pocket.
Make sure your gun is empty & try it a few times, I think you will find it works quite well.
You may still want to bob the hammer, but I'd give my method a try & see if you like it.
Frank

hariph creek
September 30, 2011, 01:37 PM
Frank, that's what I've been trying. It does work, ok. I find though, that by the time I grip the gun, cover the hammer, and try to withdraw my hand. The whole package is almost larger than the pocket opening. Instead of hanging up on the hammer my hand hangs up. It does work, just not smooth. I want as smooth as possible. I'd hate to hang up in a critical moment.
Also, should I decide to use a Barami hip grip, I suspect the hammer will be an issue?
We'll see, knowing me, I'll think about it and then never get around to it.

SwampWolf
September 30, 2011, 05:12 PM
A few years ago, I was attending gun shows looking for a lightly used but "affordable" Cobra (what's not to like about a snub-nosed revolver weighing the same as a Smith Airweight, having a cylinder dimension only about a tenth of an inch wider but carrying 20% more ammunition?) in the $350.00 to $400.00 range. All I could find were "beater" Cobras in that price range until I espied an as new, 1968 vintage Cobra, replete with box and "papers". The dealer was asking $550.00 for it but agreed to an "out-the-door" price of $500.00-more than I wanted to pay (I'm not a collector) but certainly worth the price imo.

I was interested in a revolver for pocket carry carry duties but, due to its pristine condition, I initially had some qualms about shooting it (I did) or carrying it (I do). Though serious Colt collectors probably hate me for it, the little Cobra has been a perfect pocket revolver for me. Like Frank V advised, the way I draw the Cobra from my pocket is to place the ball of my thumb over the spur of the hammer. Drawing the revolver in this manner makes snagging it a non-issue.

I found that @ 25 yards, the revolver shoots extremely high with most ammunition I tried. However, Buffalo Bore 158 grain bullets are right on the mark @ 15 yards, which is a more practical range when you consider snubbies are probably best suited for shots taken @ seven yards or so.

Doesn't seem to stage either.

Not a disadvantage, imo. I personally prefer a da pull to go smoothly, straight through the pull, no "staging" to interrupt the transition from the initial trigger pressure to ignition.

It's a gun that I really like for the purpose I use it for and one that I will always keep.

hariph creek
October 1, 2011, 01:13 AM
I'd like to find a pocket holster that doesn't push the grip up to the top of the pocket. The seem on the bottom is just thick enough to ruin it for me. I'm half considering making my own. Maybe I could work out a built in speedstrip holder.

I am getting used to the non-staging trigger. I've just always been a S&W guy. Man, the serations on the trigger are SHARP!

hariph creek
October 1, 2011, 01:19 AM
Have any of you tried Barami Hip Grip with the DS?

sixgunner455
October 1, 2011, 03:20 AM
I tried the Hip Grip on a j-frame, but never on the DS I had. Didn't like it on the j-frame, and just figured the reasons I didn't like it there wouldn't be any better on the DS. Neat idea, but not for me.

Frank V
October 1, 2011, 04:55 PM
Hariph
Building your own isn't hard for a pocket holster, you don't want a welt in the holster anyway. Try leaving the toe of the holster open & it won't push up so much. You will get fuzz in the muzzle, but a carry gun should be checked every day anyhow. Good shooting.
Glad you decided to keep that DS, they are really nice guns.
Frank

hariph creek
October 1, 2011, 05:46 PM
I think I've got a good design, It's my ability to execute it, that's 'iffy'.

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