best 9mm? for the price?


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indyandy
September 25, 2011, 04:09 AM
I'm looking for my first handgun - my primary interest is range shooting but this would also be my primary HD weapon (I know a pump-action shotgun is best for HD but I'm looking for a pistol at the moment and this will be better than my .22 bolt-action). I was pretty sold on a Taurus 92, but then I was talking my local gun store clerk, who comes from a LEO background, and he said he wouldn't own either the Taurus or the Beretta. He pointed me towards a Springfield or a Glock, or a Sig although he didn't have experience on one of those and he did say it all comes down to personal preference. I'm looking to stay under $500, and was thinking 9mm over .40 or .45 for price and general comfort for a relative newbie like me - your thoughts?

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G.barnes
September 25, 2011, 04:16 AM
An older model smith and wesson. You can find a nice metal frame 15 shot model 59 for around 350. Glock or Springfield would probably be next. Taurus are hit or miss and there isn't enough price difference to risk it. Sigs are my favorite. They're some of the best but carry the price tag too.

Shadow 7D
September 25, 2011, 04:40 AM
shoot 250 and knowing where to look can get you a new pistol or a lightly used one
as for best, that's up to you

what works for you won't for me...
your likes are yours

best bet, is RESEARCH, there is no excuse for skimping

and that includes trying it before you buy it, cause the cheapest POS, doesn't change the fact it's a POS, but you can buy those at any price.

GMcBoozer
September 25, 2011, 04:46 AM
Under $500? Best 9mm for the price is a Ruger P95 @ $300-350 new. Ruger rugged, shoots straight, and can handle what ever you feed it. I own one and would buy another if I wasn't addicted to ammo. Take the cash ya save and spend it on a few boxes of ammo.

devildog4329
September 25, 2011, 05:05 AM
Sig pro 2022. Buds gun shop has them for i believe right around the 380-400 mark. Really nice gun for the price.

Go to a range and try them out. rent everyone that you are interested in, shoot them, then decide.

Doug B.
September 25, 2011, 06:57 AM
I don't understand why your local gun store clerk/former LEO says to stay away from Beretta. Mine is flawless after maybe 1000 rounds, does fit me well and was very affordable. I do agree that what works for me might not work for you. Kinda like dentures!

I figure any gun manufacturer that has been in business since 1560, yes, 1560 must be doing something right or they wouldn't survive.

I would at least get a Beretta in your hand and shoot it. Fine firearms.

Gunguy0
September 25, 2011, 07:00 AM
I don't understand why your local gun store clerk/former LEO says to stay away from Beretta. Mine is flawless after maybe 1000 rounds, does fit me well and was very affordable. I do agree that what works for me might not work for you. Kinda like dentures!

I figure any gun manufacturer that has been in business since 1560, yes, 1560 must be doing something right or they wouldn't survive.

I would at least get a Beretta in your hand and shoot it. Fine firearms.

Not to mention military uses them as well for there sidearms.

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ojibweindian
September 25, 2011, 07:35 AM
I'm looking for my first handgun - my primary interest is range shooting but this would also be my primary HD weapon (I know a pump-action shotgun is best for HD but I'm looking for a pistol at the moment and this will be better than my .22 bolt-action). I was pretty sold on a Taurus 92, but then I was talking my local gun store clerk, who comes from a LEO background, and he said he wouldn't own either the Taurus or the Beretta. He pointed me towards a Springfield or a Glock, or a Sig although he didn't have experience on one of those and he did say it all comes down to personal preference. I'm looking to stay under $500, and was thinking 9mm over .40 or .45 for price and general comfort for a relative newbie like me - your thoughts?
Only advice I can give is to try as many pistols as you can before buying. 500 bucks can buy a great pistol, or an expensive paper-weight.

railroader
September 25, 2011, 07:45 AM
Right now there are some good deals on springfield xd pistols. Here in southern california I just bought one for $399. It comes with two mags and springfield will give you three more mags for free through the end of november.. As for the ruger p95 I have one of those too. That gun is pretty accurate and it is super reliable. Mark

PabloJ
September 25, 2011, 08:15 AM
I'm looking for my first handgun - my primary interest is range shooting but this would also be my primary HD weapon (I know a pump-action shotgun is best for HD but I'm looking for a pistol at the moment and this will be better than my .22 bolt-action). I was pretty sold on a Taurus 92, but then I was talking my local gun store clerk, who comes from a LEO background, and he said he wouldn't own either the Taurus or the Beretta. He pointed me towards a Springfield or a Glock, or a Sig although he didn't have experience on one of those and he did say it all comes down to personal preference. I'm looking to stay under $500, and was thinking 9mm over .40 or .45 for price and general comfort for a relative newbie like me - your thoughts?
I would look at CZ75B because you could save up some money and get .22 'Kadet' conversion kit for it. That would be real money saver at the range.

wnycollector
September 25, 2011, 08:27 AM
Another vote for a S&W 3rd gen 9mm. Here's a link http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=252122203 to an excellent condition S&W 915 for ~$250. You still be less than $300 for the pistol after shipping and transfer. I would spend the rest of the $$$ of 500 rounds of decent quality ammo and a few spare mags.

ichiban
September 25, 2011, 08:44 AM
Starting with a 9mm is a good choice. If you are looking for a new firearm, I suggest you add the Ruger SR9 and FNH FNP-9 to your list. Both are quality guns that can be had for about $400.00.

snooperman
September 25, 2011, 08:53 AM
for the money. Will shoot anything you feed it , will take hot loads and is very reliable.

rskent
September 25, 2011, 09:02 AM
It would be my advice:
To buy new (warranty)
Buy quality (name brand)
And to buy something very common (resale if you decide you like something else better).

It may cost a bit more than your $500, but not much more. Later when you have a bit more experience, explore the other options.

In short, Get a Glock 26.

ATBackPackin
September 25, 2011, 10:59 AM
In short, Do not Get a Glock 26.

There I fixed it for ya. ;)

Why would somebody want a subcompact handgun for the range and HD?

I too am shocked that someone would advice you not to buy a Beretta. If you like the Taurus 92, I would seriously look at the Beretta 92 or M9. They are a fantastic, classic gun that is extremely easy to operate and clean.

Other than that I can only reiterate what the others have said in going to as many shops so you can handle and shoot as many guns as possible to fin the one that fits you the best. I can tell you a bunch of great guns for under $500 that fit ME extremely well. However that does not mean they will necessarily fair you well.

I do think 9mm is the best choice for someone starting out. Lower recoil and cheap ammo equals more practice (unless you are wealthy) and easier to work on the basics of marksmanship.

A list of some guns you should check out in alphabetical order:

Beretta 92FS, M9
CZ 75
FN FNX9, Hi-Power (used)
Glock 17, 19
Ruger P95, P85, SR9
Smith and Wesson M&P 9, 5906 (SS), 5903 (AI)
SA XD, XDM

Now this is purely my opinion, but I truly believe that a beginner is better off with a metal gun if it is not to be a carry gun. With that being said if I were you, the Beretta and CZ would be on the very top of my list.

Best of luck and remember, there is no stupid question.
Shawn

MachIVshooter
September 25, 2011, 11:04 AM
LE trade-in S&W 5906. Still around for $300, these were a $750 gun new and perform as such.

http://www.imfdb.org/w/images/thumb/0/01/S%26W5906LateModel.jpg/350px-S%26W5906LateModel.jpg

Cornhusker77
September 25, 2011, 11:08 AM
Another vote for XD.
Not only is the gun nice to shoot, comfortable and accurate, the customer service is outstanding.
Customer service is something to consider
(The absolute worst customer service I've ran into is Beretta)
Although I've never shot one, I really like the looks and price of the Ruger SR9c

Mike1234567
September 25, 2011, 11:11 AM
For HD I'd seriously consider the S&W M&P full-size. For CC I'd take a good look at the Ruger SR9c.

SpentCasing
September 25, 2011, 11:23 AM
If you like the Taurus/Beretta go for it. Maybe find a more informed gunshop while you're at it. I just put rounds 1000-1200 yesterday and still have yet to have a malf. of any kind. (Inox Beretta92)

Also I can vouch for 3rd gen S&W being good to go. (59xx, 915,910)

Fadelight
September 25, 2011, 11:24 AM
I'll add another stick to the fire...

EAA Witness. They are CZ clones, and they are amazing. I've put around 10,000 rounds down range without one single FTF/FTE.

Also, for $509, you can get a Witness 9mm WITH a 22lr conversion slide. :what:


http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/76085


Or just the 9mm for $400

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/15613


OR... if you don't mind used, you can get the 9mm/22lr conversion set for $439

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411546407

Tomac
September 25, 2011, 11:43 AM
Another vote for the S&W M&P9 or 9c. Many configurations to choose from, great ergonomics, interchangeable backstraps and APEX parts if you don't like the factory trigger.
Tomac

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Tomac/RotationofResizeofSWMP9Compacts002.jpg

W.E.G.
September 25, 2011, 11:46 AM
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/humor/glockhomer.jpg

kokapelli
September 25, 2011, 11:48 AM
This is an exercise in futility because every gun you can think of will be recommended.

ku4hx
September 25, 2011, 12:01 PM
Glock Gen3 26 or Gen4 19; thousands of flawless rounds through both. Only "problem" is my wife claimed the 26 since she liked the CTC laser.

Your immediate problem is somebody somewhere likes every gun you can name for some reason. Just gotta try many; pick one. But be aware, like peanuts, you may not be able to stop at one.

Mike1234567
September 25, 2011, 12:06 PM
This is an exercise in futility because every gun you can think of will be recommended.

Yes, but only one of us is right.:evil:

MrWesson
September 25, 2011, 12:09 PM
Id go with the ATI 92c which is a part for part clone of the Beretta 92 centurion on beretta tooling and military grade.

Best part they are 299.99 at cdnn.

I just bought one and I get to pick it up friday(already handled it).

Look up reviews they are great and generally other than the writing on the slide its every bit as good as the 92 centurion.

S&W 5906 is a great gun but I dont care for the trigger and the way the gun fits in my hand.
PF9 is a good value for carry but not for HD/range

Pilot
September 25, 2011, 12:14 PM
CZ's if you shop around, or even if you don't the P-07 can be found all day at $400.

TonyT
September 25, 2011, 12:15 PM
One of the older S&W all metal semi autos such as the Model 5906 in 9mm are practically indestructable and extremely reliable. Second choice would be a used Glock or Springfield.

sigarms228
September 25, 2011, 12:33 PM
Don't let the gun store clerk scare you away form that Taurus 92 if that is what you want. I don't own a Taurus and there are varying opinions on them but from what I have heard and read the 92 series is a very solid model.

Having said that if possible try one out first or anything else you are considering.

There are a TON of great pistols in the $500 range but in the end it will boil down to what works best for the person that wants to purchase it.

I will have to echo IMO the SIG SP2022 as a top contender in that price range (I own one myself) and if you can find a nice used SIG P226 I think you would be extremely happy with that also.

Dr_2_B
September 25, 2011, 02:46 PM
OP, Bradis is a great place to buy... down on Kentucky Avenue. You could rent and shoot some at Pop Guns off Washington St. on the east side. A great way to test them out.

MyGreenGuns
September 25, 2011, 03:02 PM
Ill say what I say to all the noobs. Try a LOT of guns! I shopped for 10 months and tried MANY MANY makes/models. 9mm is a great choice for a first handgun.

My top vote is for XD9 4". To this day it is my most fired weapon.

Take everyones advice with a grain of salt, what works for me might not be the best for you. Have fun. Be safe.

RNB65
September 25, 2011, 03:52 PM
Recommendations are useless. Everyone is going to recommend their favorite gun and there are a boatload of good 9mm's to choose from.

Stick with a quality brand. Handle/shoot as many as you can and choose the one that feels best in your hand. As you narrow down the list, Google search particular models to learn more about them.

doc540
September 25, 2011, 04:02 PM
Sigma!:p

I've owned a half dozen and picked up my last one in like new condition for $225.

Great car gun.

Don't believe all the crap you hear about the triggers. It's a simple fix if it's not up to your standards.

The newer ones are fine.

Redneck with a 40
September 25, 2011, 04:05 PM
Ruger SR9-C, I don't think you can beat it for the money. I got mine in stainless for $466 out the door.

valnar
September 25, 2011, 04:06 PM
Forget brands for a second. Any top tier manufacturer will be good, including Beretta.

Here is what I would do:

Go to your local indoor range and rent some 9mm's. Pay attention to these things:

1) Natural point-of-aim. Some pistol grips have a sharper angle, like a Glock. See if you like that and if it fits your wrist. Most other guns use a more traditional "American" angle.

2) Play with an SA/DA like a Beretta or SIG. Do you like that snappy SA trigger on the second round? If not, try a DAO like a Smith M&P or similar.

3) How are you on weight, fit and finish? Is Polymer okay? Or do you like all steel? Is this for carry, where weight is a factor? Or is this is a range toy? Are you susceptible to recoil?

4) How about # rounds in a magazine? Grip size? Double or single stack?


After trying all these for yourself, you should be able to narrow down the options. If not, come back here and we'll help ya'!

The Sarge
September 25, 2011, 04:14 PM
Stoeger 8000

The_Armed_Therapist
September 25, 2011, 06:37 PM
The Ruger SR9, the Kahr CW9, and the Sig SP2022 are all new for $400 and the same quality as the M&P, the XD, and the Glock ($500-$600). To me, those are the best value (maybe a couple others I'm not thinking of) because you are no more likely to have problems with them than any other top quality gun. The Taurus 24/7 and Kel-Tec PF9, for example, are also pretty good and can be bought for under $400, but I'd consider them a step down from the others.

saenzrich
September 25, 2011, 08:09 PM
Right now there are some good deals on springfield xd pistols. Here in southern california I just bought one for $399. It comes with two mags and springfield will give you three more mags for free through the end of november..

I'd say an xd9sc or fullsize great gun for the price and you can get a total of 5 mags if you buy b4 dec.
Cant beat this deal just got my mags it took 8 days.

Shawn Dodson
September 25, 2011, 08:15 PM
Glock 17.

Glock 19 if you might CCW in the future.

I was pretty sold on a Taurus 92, but then I was talking my local gun store clerk, who comes from a LEO background, and he said he wouldn't own either the Taurus or the Beretta.

Your gun store clerk is FoS.

I carried a Beretta on police patrol for several years. I patrolled a gang infested Navy town in Washington state, where it was directly exposed to rain, snow, cold, etc. It performed flawlessly - it never hiccupped.

Were I to choose a Beretta design it'd be the Taurus with the frame mounted manual safety. I prefer the Taurus' frame mounted safety to the Beretta's slide mounted safety. Plus the Taurus can be kept "cocked & locked" (like a 1911) to fire the first shot in single-action mode.

Best wishes on your choice.

jleyring
September 25, 2011, 08:18 PM
Sig pro 2022. Buds gun shop has them for i believe right around the 380-400 mark. Really nice gun for the price.

Go to a range and try them out. rent everyone that you are interested in, shoot them, then decide.


I own one and i love it. It shoots great and for the price its hard to beat. The only downside is that it only comes with 1 mag.

dpart77
September 25, 2011, 08:22 PM
Just bought a 95% S&W 915. It is an awesome firearm. I put some night sites on it and it shoots like a dream. I will buy more 3rd gem Smiths in the future.

PT92
September 25, 2011, 08:25 PM
indyandy wrote:

best 9mm? for the price?

...I was pretty sold on a Taurus 92, but then I was talking my local gun store clerk, who comes from a LEO background, and he said he wouldn't own either the Taurus or the Beretta.

You will learn that opinions are like a**h0lEs in that everyone has one. Yet it doesn't mean they are correct. Listen to all opinions/comments but make your own decision prior to buying and not someone's word that an entire line of guns should be avoided.

Suffice it to say that the model 92 from either Taurus or Beretta is arguably one of the finest handguns ever designed. I tend to be very fond of Mr. Browning's 1911, but the 92 is every bit as sweet "in my opinion."

-Cheers

SigP229R
September 25, 2011, 08:31 PM
You can probably still find some 5903's around and some Sig P6's. However P6 is single stack as opposed to double stack on the S&W'S. They are both good pistols.

labhound
September 25, 2011, 08:33 PM
My "under $500" favorites are two I own, a Stoeger Cougar 8000 F and a Ruger SR9.

IBEWBULL
September 25, 2011, 08:36 PM
What feels good in your hand, what do you feel comfortable with? The controls are a factor. Safe action with no safety, DA only or condition one SA only?
Check out all of this and then ask will I carry it? Do you want an option like this to make an impact on your choice? Would you just buy another weapon later and can you afford it?
I have always been in favor of multi use on weapons if possible. I have suggested a 4 inch .357 to many 9mm lookers for many reasons.
There is plenty of information out there and looking at this site and some reviews should narrow the options.
My final word on it is try and buy American we need the jobs.

jeepguy
September 25, 2011, 09:43 PM
you have a few things to iron out first. do you want all steel, or steel slide & alloy frame or steel slide with a polymer frame. 2nd do you want hammer fired or striker. when you have those down it will narrow down your options. at that point see which ones feel the best in your hands & points naturally for you. if it were me i would go for a cz 75 great gun for the money. second would be a used sig 226 or 229 in 9mm. but i like steel or alloy framed handguns with an external hammer. for home defense i would highly recomend good night sights as well, even if you buy them later & have them installed.

triplebike
September 25, 2011, 10:01 PM
Stoeger Cougar 8000. Under $400 for a $700+ Beretta handgun. Best value on the market today.

Do some research on it.

Mr.Blue
September 26, 2011, 12:00 AM
IMHO the CZ 75B is the best 9mm ever made at any price. When you consider that you can buy a new one for under $500, it's amazing.

PabloJ
September 26, 2011, 12:19 AM
IMHO the CZ 75B is the best 9mm ever made at any price. When you consider that you can buy a new one for under $500, it's amazing.
What is even more amazing one can get one with hammer & sickle plus red star along with bunch of cyrillic stampings (aka Russian hieroglyphics) on it.

Mr.Blue
September 26, 2011, 12:30 AM
What is even more amazing one can get one with hammer & sickle plus red star along with bunch of cyrillic stampings (aka Russian hieroglyphics) on it.

So do you avoid German and Austrian goods because of the Nazis, Italian goods because of fascist Mussolini, and Japanese goods because of Pearl Harbor? I'm sure your house is full of "RED" Chinese goods.

I buy American guns most of the time, but I can't resist CZ. Besides, if you knew your history you would know that the Czechs hated the Russians and Communism, resisting them as best they could.

Warp
September 26, 2011, 12:58 AM
I'd go Glock, M&P or XD. JMO

Zone15
September 26, 2011, 01:47 AM
SIG SP2022, can't get a better gun for $400.

Ledgehammer
September 26, 2011, 11:39 AM
I've got an xd .45 compact that I liked so much I just went out and bought the xd subcompact 9mm. There are some great deals on the XD's now that the XD(m) is out.

WRGADog
September 26, 2011, 12:30 PM
the Beretta PX4, Springfield XD, or Glock 19. These are superbly reliable pistols, accurate, easy to maintain, and go bang every time you pull the trigger. Don't listen to the gun store salesman on Berettas, I own several and the all function flawlessly.

Beretta 92FS, M9A1, 92FSc, PX4, PX4c, PX4sc, CX4
Glock 30SF, G19, G26
Springfield XD9sc, XDm 40, XDm 9, XDm 3.8 9

marine 97-03
September 26, 2011, 11:57 PM
Sig p250

UCFKevin
September 27, 2011, 01:38 AM
As I recently bought my first handgun (M&P9), my advice would be to shoot every handgun you can get your hands on. Before I shot the M&P, I was almost certainly going to buy a Glock 19. The M&P just felt better to me so that's what I ended up buying. A $500 budget gives you a lot of options, so shop around and make sure you get what you want.

ku4hx
September 27, 2011, 09:11 AM
Most "bang for the buck" goes to value and how you define the term. Value to me is the lowest price I have to pay for the best performance I can get. What it does not mean is simply the lowest price available. Very seldom is either the lowest priced item or the highest priced item the best value.

For me high value in a gun would be one that is rust and corrosion resistant, extremely reliable but no false expectation of 100% reliability, easy to field strip, clean and reassemble, as few parts as possible, fires a variety of commonly available ammo and doesn't cost over ~$700.

After all those are satisfied (and maybe a few more) it comes down to "try 'em, decide and buy 'em".

golden
September 28, 2011, 02:59 AM
INDYANDY,

Do not buy a model S&W 59. This gun was a disaster! Some worked fine, but others were NEVER 100% reliable.
I remember when they hit the market and the cops went crazy for them. They could not be counted on.

The later 3 number series, 459, 659 and final 4 number series 5906 worked great and the 4 number series even had decent triggers.

For around $ 300.00, you can get a new S&W Sigma. It is a serviceable gun. I would not trade my BERETTA 92 or WALTHER P99 for it, but the one I rented at the range worked well enough.

For about $375.00, you can get a STOEGER 8000 Cougar. This is the BERETTA 8000 Cougar, but made in TURKEY and a lot cheaper. It works as well the ITALIAN gun.

In the $450.00 range, you can find a SPRINGFIELD XD. This is a great gun at a very good price.
I also have found WALTHER P99 QA models for the same price at local gun shows. This is a another great gun for the money with good handling and accuracy. It also comes with interchangeable grip back straps.

I can recommend these guns as I have had experience with them. I think you can find a lot of good guns for the money.
Also, my experience with the BERETTA 92 is that it is a very accurate and reliable gun, gun store clerk not withstanding.
I picked up a used 92D Centurion for $350.00 and have been very satisfied with it. I will test a 20 round magazine with it and if there are no problems, it will become my new house gun.

Jim

PabloJ
September 28, 2011, 03:24 AM
So do you avoid German and Austrian goods because of the Nazis, Italian goods because of fascist Mussolini, and Japanese goods because of Pearl Harbor? I'm sure your house is full of "RED" Chinese goods.

I buy American guns most of the time, but I can't resist CZ. Besides, if you knew your history you would know that the Czechs hated the Russians and Communism, resisting them as best they could.
I do not avoid anything based on country of origin as only product quality matters to me. Matter of fact my next pistol will be the Caracal made in Muslin country. I have seen couple last sunday and they were very nice. It was nice to examine two models closely as rest of the buyers were in Glock/S&W/ XD section of the gun show table.

Mr.Blue
September 28, 2011, 03:29 AM
I do not avoid anything based on country of origin as only product quality matters to me. Matter of fact my next pistol will be the Caracal made in Muslin country. I have seen couple last sunday and they were very nice. It was nice to examine two models closely as rest of the buyers were in Glock/S&W/ XD section of the gun show table.

I guess I misunderstood your post. I thought you were pointing out the the earlier versions of the gun were made by communists and thus not good to buy. My apologies.

JTQ
September 28, 2011, 07:48 AM
This may help your decision making process. You may not agree with the rankings, but it gives you some options and brief description of the pistols.

Best 9's.
http://www.best9mm.com/

Mike1234567
September 28, 2011, 10:34 AM
Do not buy a model S&W 59. This gun was a disaster! Some worked fine, but others were NEVER 100% reliable.
I remember when they hit the market and the cops went crazy for them. They could not be counted on.
<snip>

I don't know about others' experiences with the Model 59 but mine never did cycle properly no matter what ammo I used. Constant FTF/FTE issues. It was darned purty to look at though.:rolleyes:

SavageManAntonio
September 28, 2011, 11:08 AM
I would follow the advice of other people on this to a point. I believe there are a few priorities that are a absolute MUST have - reliability and handling. There are many good guns out there, namely Glock, S&W M&P, SIG, Beretta. Choose a good quality gun from amongst these types of companies then make sure whatever gun you choose fits you. In other words, make sure it has the controls placed where you need them and do a quick sight check - grip the gun in a natural way, raise the pistol out in front of you towards a target you pre-selected. When you look at the sights on the target, are the sights aligned closely? This will tell you if the angle of the backstrap fits the natural angle of your hand. For instance, Glocks do not fit me well in the way. The bump at the bottom of the grip lands in the wrong spot of my palm, therefore the front sights are always way too high. Finally consider price. The first two are way too important to place below price. I understand that we all have a budget so it has to be considered but try to find guns that fit then select amongst them by your price point. Do not be steered into a gun just because someone you know has one. Many people will say theirs is the best but only because they only have experience with that one. I have sold many guns while being in the business, many only because the buyer had a friend that was guiding them, even after we fitted them to something else. Do your own research, take opinions into account but don't let that stop you from buying the one that is right for you.

spcrobbins
September 28, 2011, 01:16 PM
I say the Walther PPQ. It will cost around $600 which is more than you said you wanted to spend, but it has by far the best stock trigger of any striker fired weapon. The reset is AWESOME! You can't miss with this one.

Thaddeus Jones
September 28, 2011, 01:23 PM
Another vote for the Walther PPQ 9mm. Simply the best trigger on a polymer striker fired pistol.

If used or out of production guns are an option, try a S&W 3913. The 3913 is the finest 9mm made by anyone, IMO. Good luck! :)

WinThePennant
September 28, 2011, 03:35 PM
When I hear someone ask, "What is the best 9mm for the price?," I don't think of $600 guns.

Easily, the best 9mm's for the price are (All under $400):
* Used Glock (17, 19, 26)
* Sig SP2022
* Sig P250
* S&W SD9
* Ruger SR9

Mike1234567
September 28, 2011, 03:48 PM
WTP... What's with all this "practicality"?? Don't you know firearm ownership is all about PASSION??

spcrobbins
September 28, 2011, 03:59 PM
WinThePennant,

I would imagine that be true unless you have shot a PPQ. It truly is unreal. I can't explain it enough. I have shot many different handguns, and this one is top notch and for an extra $100 or $150, it would be worth it.

HGUNHNTR
September 28, 2011, 04:08 PM
When I hear someone ask, "What is the best 9mm for the price?," I don't think of $600 guns.

Easily, the best 9mm's for the price are (All under $400):

For a measly $200 I'd rather have a new auto.

CZ SP01 or Glock 17

Reddragon1260
September 28, 2011, 04:14 PM
I personally am a converted glock guy. I love glock they are awesome guns, but once i picked up my CZ P-07 i just fell in love. The grip was awesome and the price was just the cherry on top. I also got a feel for the SP-01 phantom and tactical and both also felt really good in my hand.

In reality we can show you a full plate on all these great guns but your best bet is just to go to a couple of shops and get a feel for all of these. I don't like Taurus much but hey if it feels better in your hand than any of the other guns than go for it.

Tamren
September 28, 2011, 04:25 PM
I would add another vote to the CZ-75B crowd. I got lucky and picked up a used one for $350 and it's been my favorite pistol ever since. I plan on getting another one new as soon as I have the $$

WinThePennant
September 28, 2011, 04:41 PM
I've heard great things about the PPQ, and there might very well be one in my future. But, they aren't exactly giving those things away.

rbernie
September 28, 2011, 04:54 PM
SR9 for the best value in inexpensive striker fired pistols, the SP2022 for the best value in polymer DA/SA pistols (with honorable mention to the P95 in the polymer DA/SA class), and the CZ75B as the best value in steel DA/SA pistols.

All can be had for under five bills, and all of the polymer pistols can be had for $400 or less. Not one of these four pistols have proven to be chronically unreliable or less than durable. I have owned each of these pistols, and would not hesitate to recommend them to anyone needing a full-size 9mm handgun.

Loosedhorse
September 28, 2011, 05:05 PM
Depends on what "best" means. A used Sigma migh be "best," or a used SIG 210--very different pistols with different price points.

I agree with previous posters that anyone steering you away from a Beretta 92 is expressing personal preference only. They're fine pistols.

Bargain? Sigmas around here go for about $250. (True: you can get 2 Hi-Points for that...)

Red Cent
September 28, 2011, 05:44 PM
I guess I got lucky when I bought the 39 and 59 from a state trooper in WV. They are factory stock and will run great on ball or Hydroshocks.

Golden, what were the problems incurred?

PT92
September 28, 2011, 09:14 PM
Many have already made some great choices as there are tons of 'subjective' correct answers. However, I think the S&W Sigma for $289 OTD is really hard to beat for CCW/HD purposes.

-Cheers

whalerman
September 28, 2011, 09:29 PM
Go to a BIGGGGG gun store. Where they have LOTTTs of guns. Then handle them. See what feels good. Whittle down the choices a bit. Then do some research as to reliability, maintenence requirements, concealability, ammo, holsters, anything you can think of. Make you choice accordingly. But start out by what feels good in your hand. You can't make this decision by listening to a bunch of us tell you about our favorite guns.

Strykervet
September 28, 2011, 10:10 PM
Try to find a slightly used 3rd gen. Glock 17L, 34, 17 or 19, whichever you feel fits you the best. Then get a set of Trijicon night sights or Truglo if you want adjustable. Get an extra mag or two (and collect these later on). This should keep you right at your $500 price if you are thrifty and patient. My wife carries a 17, a 2nd gen, and it is a great piece. My 17L is one of my favorite range pistols and my favorite 9mm. The Glock is the best all around 9mm at that price point I think. But only the 2 or 3 gen.

The Beretta is a nice pistol, but stay away from the Vertec unless you have tiny hands or KNOW you can fire it comfortably. I got one to find out I couldn't really fire it in DA! The Sig is a very nice pistol and in my opinion, the best choice if you really want a true DA or DA/SA pistol. Lots of good used ones going around right now, my local shop has a bunch with night sights for about $500 tax included, with night sights in the case. Trade ins.

The Smith and Wesson 3rd gen. pistols are GREAT pistols that have fallen out of mind and by the wayside. They dropped 'em so they could copy Glock because Glock was killing the police market in the late 80's and 90's. The pistol was well made, so well made they couldn't keep up with Glock and the price --Glock would literally give their pistols away to police departments if they'd buy mags, and they'd take their old Smith's in trade and sell those for profit! I think they'll pick up a collector value soon once they get "rediscovered". Anyway, all of the 3rd gen. Smith autos are great that I know of. The 10mm is the best 10mm you can get, I think. I really want one. You can probably get the 9mm ones right now with a bunch of mags AND a nice holster and still have money left over. Or with night sights and have the whole shebang. I saw them for $250 in Shotgun News. Like I said, I think these pistols will go up in value. They don't make 'em anymore.

Oh yeah, there is also the Browning Hi Power. The real Browning though, not the knock offs. Very nice pistol, single action, kind of like a 1911. It was one of his later 1930's designs. Could probably find a good used one in your price range, maybe even a new one if you got a base model.

Then there is the CZ75. That is another fine 9mm I almost forgot. I don't have one, but I'd like one. The CZ75 and the Glock 17, those are the two best 9mm's in my opinion, at that price. CZ's are just a good deal all around. Well made and accurate. Check out how the slide fits to the frame on this one.

Those are the good ones that I think of when you mention $500 9mm's. Find a local rental range and try some of them out. I also wouldn't be too afraid to try bigger calibres either. A good .40 or .45, a used Glock, Sig, or Smith, isn't going to be much, if at all, more than the 9mm. Or a .357 Sig or 10mm come to think of it.

Check Shotgun News for the latest bulk trade ins. Go check 'em out in you stores, try 'em at rental ranges, but order 'em if you have to to get the good prices. For some reason, stores around here generally sell used stuff at twice what I can order it for, so I just use 'em for transfers.

coinshooter
September 28, 2011, 10:20 PM
I took a real hard look at the ruger sr9 and for the money I but it in lawaway

exavid
September 29, 2011, 12:50 AM
I have a Ruger SR9 and wouldn't part with it. I did to the Ghost Rocket trigger mod which cost an extra $30 for the kit, but that made a good gun a great one in my opinion. The fit in my hand and the pistol's good balance makes it my favorite of several 9mms I've owned. Until the SR came along my favorite was my old S&W39 but the Ruger is lighter and has that lovely 17 round magazine with a nice thin grip like my old Model 39. I consider it a great buy at the current going price.

MachIVshooter
September 29, 2011, 02:27 AM
For a measly $200 I'd rather have a new auto.

For some, $200 isn't "measly". Especially if you don't have it.

For me, why would I pay $600 for a factory test fired gun when I can buy one that's had a few more rounds through it for 1/3 less? It's not the same gamble as buying used electronics; you can physically inspect every part of the gun, and most from reputable makers will still have warranties honored for subsequent owners. Ruger, S&W, Kel-Tec (the three largest handgun manufacturers in the US) just take care of broken guns.

To each his own WRT new vs. used, but to belittle what is a lot of money for someone who had to scrimp and save to come up with what they have comes off as arrogant and naive; The words of someone who's never had to endure financial hardship.

HGUNHNTR
September 29, 2011, 12:05 PM
Thanks for setting me straight MachIVshooter. I'm sure those looking at budget guns live life to the most frugal, otherwise my comments wouldn't be so incredibly offensive to you. I certainly hope no one that thinks $200 is a lot of money doesn't have cable tv, smoke, drink, eat fast food, maintain a cell phone, or otherwise choose anything over the most basic option for anything other than a neccesity. If spending an extra $200 is a hardship, perhaps you shouldn't be purchasing a luxury item, and a handgun is most certainly a luxury item....unluess you find an edible one. It may also be helpful to consider the chances of needing food, clothing, shelter vs. needing to defend yourself from baddies and zombies, if funds are truly that tight.'

The words of someone who's never had to endure financial hardship.I didn't know this was supposed to be a point of shame.
I'm sure your conservative republican friends would feel differently.

BTW I'm just assuming your MachIV is chambered in an H&R Pardner topped off with a BSA.

bowserb
September 29, 2011, 01:35 PM
There are a lot of recommendations here, from people who are honest and sincere and really trying to help. The best of the advice I see here is the 'rent and try', and ideally with a professional instructor to point out the features, strengths and weaknesses of each type.

Also--and here's the good part--if you read carefully, you noticed that many here have three or four guns or more. Well those people didn't get up one morning and say, "I think I'll go out and buy an interesting collection of handguns." No, they bought a first gun. Then later they decided they didn't like that one so much, or that they wanted to try something else. Maybe they decided they wanted a different caliber.

I've owned handguns, and had a Texas CHL, since just 2005. I currently own two. Neither of them was my first handgun...or my second handgun. My point is that my experience is probably typical, in that you'll likely switch or add within a year of the first handgun purchase--and that says to me, BUY A USED GUN. I would stick with a local established dealer for support, and for that next purchase or trade-in/purchase.

You may be unusual, and your first gun will be your last (if so, you should at least try a Glock 19, the best all-purpose HD, range, concealed carry gun around). However, your first gun may just be your first, so you minimize your cost of ownership buying used, at least for the first couple guns. Then later, when you are sure, you buy a new Springfield Armory XDm-45, and you become happy shooting all those big bullets, like any real Texan.

You're not from Texas? That's OK. Just get a .45 and say you are!

MachIVshooter
September 29, 2011, 01:50 PM
Thanks for setting me straight MachIVshooter. I'm sure those looking at budget guns live life to the most frugal, otherwise my comments wouldn't be so incredibly offensive to you. I certainly hope no one that thinks $200 is a lot of money doesn't have cable tv, smoke, drink, eat fast food, maintain a cell phone, or otherwise choose anything over the most basic option for anything other than a neccesity. If spending an extra $200 is a hardship, perhaps you shouldn't be purchasing a luxury item, and a handgun is most certainly a luxury item....unluess you find an edible one. It may also be helpful to consider the chances of needing food, clothing, shelter vs. needing to defend yourself from baddies and zombies, if funds are truly that tight.'

It's not a luxury item for the one they stake their defense on. Perhaps he/she can afford a $400 gun to defend the family and still put food on the table and clothes on the child, where a $600 is out of reach for some time.


The words of someone who's never had to endure financial hardship.

I didn't know this was supposed to be a point of shame.

It's not. But your apparent lack of compassion for those less financially flush is.

I'm sure your conservative republican friends would feel differently.

Nice try at an ad hominem attack there. Too bad it holds no water. And my friends know the value of a dollar earned, and don't scoff at those who can't afford the nicest of everything, regardless of their political affiliation.

BTW I'm just assuming your MachIV is chambered in an H&R Pardner topped off with a BSA.

You definitely make use of the first three letters in "assuming".

It's not a Mach IV, it's a .17 Rem (which actually hits Mach IV), and it's a 700 LVSF stainless with a Weaver V-16 UFCH. I also own a nice home on acreage, 8 vehicles and many firearms that exceed your $600 figure by more than a little. I didn't say I was hard-up; I just have more understanding for those who are because I am self made. I built my business from the ground up, had to earn everything I own.

dsxdarkman
September 29, 2011, 02:09 PM
I can only give you the pistols below because these are the only 9mm that I am familiar with around your price range. All are very good choices

glock 19 or 17- some people don't like the trigger, but its preference (I luv it), glock parts are EVERYWHERE, so they are highly customizable

s&w M&p- better grip than a glock, nice trigger and nice looking pistol, nice big dot novak sights also, their customer service is top notch

CZ-75b or 85b- Best da/sa pistols in your price range to start with. Trigger might be a little heavy at first but once you shoot it, it gets a whole lot better. You can always send it to the custom cz shop and they can make it shoot a lot better

S&W 5906- nice guns as well, around the 300 dollar range if you look. You can find a lot of police trade-ins for cheap. Very solid all steel reliable gun. Buy two if you can!

Ruger sr9- very good polymer gun, probably one of the best pistols they have made to me. Accuracy is good, sights are ok, and try to find one with a trigger safety because there was a recall on the older models, but this still is a fantastic pistol. A-1 customer service

9mm 1911- There are a handful of 9mm 1911 out there but some in your price range would be the rock island armory or the Taurus 9mm. They are very good/affordable guns to have. A lot of people are intimidated by owning a 1911 for their first pistol but they are one of the best pistols with one of the best triggers ever made! They are extremely accurate at the range and they are a little hefty, but if its a range/HD gun that's what I would recommend.

HGUNHNTR
September 29, 2011, 02:23 PM
It's not a Mach IV, it's a .17 Rem (which actually hits Mach IV), and it's a 700 LVSF stainless with a Weaver V-16 UFCH. I also own a nice home on acreage, 8 vehicles and many firearms that exceed your $600 figure by more than a little. I didn't say I was hard-up; I just have more understanding for those who are because I am self made. I built my business from the ground up, had to earn everything I own.

Well by golly, goodie on you. You should share some of that overflowing campassion with those unable to attain a $600 handgun.

At any rate, a handgun is a luxury item. There are plenty of other means of defense that cost much less than a semiauto handgun, that will deliver the required value. If you can't afford $600, you can't afford $400. If your life is hanging int he balance on 200 bucks, you had better re-think your priorites. again, odds of needing a handgun for self defense vs. odds of needing to eat and buy clothing.

I maintain the best handgun for the money is a Glock 17, CZ SP01, Beretta 92 FS, even the much loathed XD would suffice.. Rent or borrow examples of any you are interested in, see what you like for reasons you choose...and buy it.

Lateck
September 29, 2011, 03:39 PM
I too would recommend a Ruger SR9 or 9c!
I own a number of 9's and to me My SR9c is my best gun. :p

BUT.... Try them all out for your self!

What fits best in your hands is what is the most important question.

Lateck,

RC20
September 29, 2011, 04:51 PM
Recommendations are useless. Everyone is going to recommend their favorite gun and there are a boatload of good 9mm's to choose from.

Stick with a quality brand. Handle/shoot as many as you can and choose the one that feels best in your hand. As you narrow down the list, Google search particular models to learn more about them.

I disagree on the first part totally. Unsupported recommendation without supporting it reasoning yes, but recommendations are good. If new you get familiar with what is out there and you see a consensus on which ones are the top ones.

Second I agree fully with. Here is how I would put it.

If you are in the market for a mid size hammer fired gun, I think the Sig SP2022 (aka Sig Pro) is by far the best overall gun you can guy (caveats to be include). I own on in 9mm and could not like it more (see note on grip)

It functions flawlessly with 3 different mfgs of ammo in various bullet weights, as well as maybe 6 different variations of bullet weights and powder in hand loads.

It handles very well and the de-cocker is a boon for those of us who grew up on 1911s and the finger between the hammer and the frame when you want to get it off Condition 1.

Its dammed accurate, also scarily accurate (factory Saber in 124 gr had me wondering if I was 24 years old again). I can shoot equally with the HK P30 which cost more than twice as much.

Its reasonably light weight, but its a lot more solid feeling than most poly guns.

The sights are great as they are well done for width (easy sight pickup) as well as wide rear for older eyes. It has a rail (standard not proprietary) for the laser I need for my eyes.

The price is extremely good in the sum $400 range to mid $400 with night sights (well under $400 with non night sights). The gun stacks up with guns costing twice as much (yes I have had a chance to fire an HK P30 and overall I would take the Sig (though if I could get an HK for 300 or so I would take it)

The trigger is very good for a poly gun with DA/SA, some excellent endorsements that it matches up with a Sig Stainless Steel Elite with the SRT (short reset trigger which is a factory upgrade offering). Bruce Gray carries it which while I am not big into celebrity endorsement, in his case it says a lot for what he does.

Grip Note: The grip is good, not as good as an HK which is as good as it gets, not as good as an FN which is in between, but the Sig grip is good. I was iffy on it until, I settled in on going ot he larger size that came with the gun and now its almost just right. I would like a bit more adjustment on the right side to fill that out.
However, seldom is something is perfect. I love the HK grip. I do not think the HK trigger is as good, I like good triggers and I do not like long reset.
The HK de-cocker is better (mayo perfect) as it does not get me messed up with the slide release (working on that) and its ergonomically in a better location. But its not a combat critical item and I do fine without it, I am happy to have the de-cocker.
HK I thost had the safety, while I liked the idea of a 1911 setup, I found I am very comfortably with the Sig in DA mode, I can cock it if I need to and have the time, or shoot DA action for the first shot (and practice that, you need to, the striker people are right, it can be starling on the change form DA to SA if you do not). The HK safety just gets in the way and the DA mode the Sig is carried in is safe (multiple safeties that will stop an accidental discharge).

Sig SP2022 is a fantastic gun at a really good price that stacks up exceptionally well with anything in the market, and personally I like the fact its made in the USA.

kokapelli
September 29, 2011, 05:10 PM
I disagree on the first part totally. Unsupported recommendation without supporting it reasoning yes, but recommendations are good.
I disagree! It seems to me that when somebody recommends a specific gun it's because it has worked well for them.

Just because they did not choose to wright a long dissertation on it doesn't mean it's not a good recommendation.

Surely you don't thing a poster would recommend a pistol they have had problems with.

WinThePennant
September 29, 2011, 05:36 PM
+1 SP2022.

Easily, the best $400 NEW gun value going. A Sig for only $400? GET OUTTA HERE! :)

easyg
October 1, 2011, 01:54 PM
Best 9mm for the price?

The Ruger SR9c....


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Magwa45
October 1, 2011, 03:55 PM
Back in the 90s, I picked up an Inglis Browning Hi-Power when they were being sold off by the Canadian military. It had an ugly black paint like finish and was pretty inexpensive. I sent it off to be parkerized and it is pretty nice. The Inglis Brownings were made in Canada during WWII after the Nazis took over Belgium. The manufacturing was moved to Canada for the war, while the Nazis made their own Brownings in the old factory. But I really like the Hi-Power, never did like the S&W design. Anyway, you might be able to pick up an old Hi-Power at a good price and clean it up. You can't beat a John M. Browning design!

kybandit
October 1, 2011, 04:14 PM
Ruger SR9c..two guns in one: use the short mag for carry, the extended one for range work. Superior quality for a very reasonable price.

HGUNHNTR
October 2, 2011, 12:47 AM
^ and lots of wonderful flags and beauty marks to make sure you don't point it at yourself and pull the trigger. Way to go Ruge

mkvtaco
October 3, 2011, 04:36 AM
+1 SP2022.

Easily, the best $400 NEW gun value going. A Sig for only $400? GET OUTTA HERE! :)
+2 Im getting a 2022 .40 on friday.

boomstik45
October 3, 2011, 04:51 PM
MachIV shooter,


You're simply not going to be able to reason with a person who is so enamored with their own opinion that they believe it to be fact....

HGUNHNTR
October 3, 2011, 05:35 PM
^ Do you not believe your own opinion?

zxcvbob
October 3, 2011, 05:55 PM
Has anyone mentioned off-brand Hi-Powers yet? I have an FM (Argentina) and love it. It's holding up well to a steady diet of +P ammo. I paid about $300 for it 5 years ago, and I think they are still selling for that.

CDNN has magazines for them pretty cheap. For extended mags, I like 20's better than 30's (30+ round magazines stick out too far) even though the 20 costs a little more.

miles1
October 3, 2011, 06:44 PM
Im curious if Indyandy has any ideas of what he wants yet?Any potentials?

9mmforMe
October 3, 2011, 07:31 PM
If it fits your hand reasonably well, and you practice with the DA/SA transition then the Ruger P95 is tops.

indyandy
October 4, 2011, 04:29 AM
miles1 (and everyone else who has been so kind with their opinions),
Yes, I've gone to all the local gun stores, talked to a lot of very friendly people and handled a number of different pistols. Unfortunately there's no place nearby to rent, so I've had to go on feel and the opinions here. I really appreciate hearing everyone's input, thank you all very much. I think for my first handgun I'm going to go with the Taurus 92, my first instinct. I've used it before (~100 rds), I like the hammer as opposed to striker-fired, I like a manual safety, easy to field strip, good mag capacity. I will say Springfield XD and Sig 2022 were right up there (not to knock Glocks but they just dont feel right to me), and one of those will probably be my next purchase. Unless I break down and get a 1911 :)
I think the most important piece of advice I got was to notice that pretty much everyone has more than one; first doesn't mean only. Thanks again to all for your help. I hope someday I can be as helpful to another newbie as you've been to me.

WinThePennant
October 4, 2011, 11:30 AM
miles1 (and everyone else who has been so kind with their opinions),
Yes, I've gone to all the local gun stores, talked to a lot of very friendly people and handled a number of different pistols. Unfortunately there's no place nearby to rent, so I've had to go on feel and the opinions here. I really appreciate hearing everyone's input, thank you all very much. I think for my first handgun I'm going to go with the Taurus 92, my first instinct. I've used it before (~100 rds), I like the hammer as opposed to striker-fired, I like a manual safety, easy to field strip, good mag capacity. I will say Springfield XD and Sig 2022 were right up there (not to knock Glocks but they just dont feel right to me), and one of those will probably be my next purchase. Unless I break down and get a 1911 :)
I think the most important piece of advice I got was to notice that pretty much everyone has more than one; first doesn't mean only. Thanks again to all for your help. I hope someday I can be as helpful to another newbie as you've been to me.
In the end, the one that just feels right is usually the way to go.

Good shooting!

PT92
October 4, 2011, 11:33 AM
miles1 (and everyone else who has been so kind with their opinions),
Yes, I've gone to all the local gun stores, talked to a lot of very friendly people and handled a number of different pistols. Unfortunately there's no place nearby to rent, so I've had to go on feel and the opinions here. I really appreciate hearing everyone's input, thank you all very much. I think for my first handgun I'm going to go with the Taurus 92, my first instinct. I've used it before (~100 rds), I like the hammer as opposed to striker-fired, I like a manual safety, easy to field strip, good mag capacity. I will say Springfield XD and Sig 2022 were right up there (not to knock Glocks but they just dont feel right to me), and one of those will probably be my next purchase. Unless I break down and get a 1911 :)
I think the most important piece of advice I got was to notice that pretty much everyone has more than one; first doesn't mean only. Thanks again to all for your help. I hope someday I can be as helpful to another newbie as you've been to me.
You have made an outstanding choice. The 92 design is to the 9mm what the 1911 is to the .45.

-Cheers

AKElroy
October 4, 2011, 02:13 PM
SIG SP2022, can't get a better gun for $400.

This. At least for my hand. Your hand may vary.

AKElroy
October 4, 2011, 02:16 PM
Congrats on the 92. I purchased a PT99AF 20+ years ago, and after 10,000+ rnds, I cannot recall a malfunction other than the occasional bad primer. Great gun. Superior to the Beretta in function in my view due to the frame mounted safety & C&L availablity.

miles1
October 4, 2011, 05:43 PM
miles1 (and everyone else who has been so kind with their opinions),
Yes, I've gone to all the local gun stores, talked to a lot of very friendly people and handled a number of different pistols. Unfortunately there's no place nearby to rent, so I've had to go on feel and the opinions here. I really appreciate hearing everyone's input, thank you all very much. I think for my first handgun I'm going to go with the Taurus 92, my first instinct. I've used it before (~100 rds), I like the hammer as opposed to striker-fired, I like a manual safety, easy to field strip, good mag capacity. I will say Springfield XD and Sig 2022 were right up there (not to knock Glocks but they just dont feel right to me), and one of those will probably be my next purchase. Unless I break down and get a 1911 :)
I think the most important piece of advice I got was to notice that pretty much everyone has more than one; first doesn't mean only. Thanks again to all for your help. I hope someday I can be as helpful to another newbie as you've been to me.
Congrats.Glad you decided to go with what feels right for you.

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