Internal lock poll


Lucky Derby
September 27, 2011, 06:04 PM
Does anyone like the IL? Be they S&W, Taurus, Ruger or other. I see lots of people dislike or even hate them. Some people don't seem to mind them. I have never come across anyone who likes the things. As in would always pick the one with the lock if all else was equal, or maybe even if the IL equiped gun was $10-$100 more.

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September 27, 2011, 06:13 PM
I despise them, if I can replace it I do.

September 27, 2011, 07:38 PM
The problem is that locks aren't for us, they're for lawyers. Any idiot can lock a revolver with an ordinary padlock through the cylinder or frame, and it's potentially easier to actually just do this than messing around with some inbuilt locks.

S&W has a lousy lock that is known to accidentally engage from time to time. It would be tempting to remove it.

Ruger's lock is well designed and I wouldn't have any problems with owning a revolver equipped with one.

I'd probably skip a Taurus regardless of lock due to reasons outside of the scope of this thread.

September 27, 2011, 07:54 PM
Putting a lock on a revolver is akin to a crossbolt safety on a Wincheser 94 or a screen door on a submarine.

September 27, 2011, 08:30 PM
Putting a lock on a revolver is akin to a crossbolt safety on a Wincheser 94 or a screen door on a submarine.
Doing a poll about them is just about as useful too.

Thaddeus Jones
September 27, 2011, 09:14 PM
I despise them, and the manufacturers who put them in the guns. Don't own any and won't!

Way too many nice revolvers out there to bother with those ugly wind up guns. :)

September 27, 2011, 10:49 PM
I own two revolvers. One with, one without. I can't tell the difference when shooting.

September 27, 2011, 11:03 PM
They are just another thing to break at the worst possible time. common sense and a padalock does the same thing

September 27, 2011, 11:24 PM
Good poll. I'm interested to see the running tally.

September 27, 2011, 11:30 PM
Internal Lock Poll

Why would anyone put a pole inside a lock?

September 27, 2011, 11:32 PM
I bought one IL gun only because it wasn't available without the lock. Not planning to buy anymore. The lock is still in the box and the gun's in my pocket. I used to buy a new S&W at least every year. Since they came out with the stupid locks I have bought a grand total of one. It's their loss. I've got more than I could wear out in several lifetimes anyway.

September 27, 2011, 11:32 PM
the Smith IL is idiotic. Works on the same axis as the recoil of the gun. Only the most depraved and moronic would consider such a design. I will never own a gun with a Smith style IL.

Ruger and Taurus are fine. They can't lock themselves.

I did not vote as the poll was not specific.

September 28, 2011, 12:09 AM
The lock is an abomination. Worst thing is that it is so conspicuous. Everytime I go to reload, the first thing I see is a disgusting wart. It is worse than MIM. I hate those too.

September 28, 2011, 11:09 AM
I would prefer not to have them. But if the gun came with a lock, I just ignore it. I have two S&W J-frames with locks and two without. My main carry J-frame does not have the lock.

September 28, 2011, 11:16 AM
Why would anyone put a pole inside a lock?

To make it appear Pollok-made.

September 28, 2011, 11:54 AM
S&W's is a dealbreaker for me.

Ruger's is ignored easily enough.

September 28, 2011, 12:14 PM
I didn't/won't vote, too vague. I wouldn't buy one with a lock, have had S&W's for years, won't buy another one, specifically because of the locks, but also because of the poor workmanship the last few years. I can buy a lock if I need one, don't put a mandatory one on it to sell me.

Lucky Derby
September 28, 2011, 02:52 PM
The poll was wan't suposed to be specific to any brand or design. Do you like the idea of an IL? yes, no or don't care?

Anyway my polling is showing so far what I thought would be they case. Some don't like it, some don't care, not one vote for likes it.

September 28, 2011, 05:04 PM
I think all the S&W Hillary-hole lock hooey is just that. There have been no verified occurrences of the lock "accidentally" engaging. (Can you imagine someone using an S&W in a life/death instance and the lock "accidentally" engaging causing the owner of the S&W to get killed? The lawsuits would be uncountable!!)

Inelegant design? Yes. Ugly? Yes. A turn-off to buying an S&W? Not for me, but for many.

I carry S&W revs with and S&W revs without the lock and have not had any problems with any of my S&Ws.

September 28, 2011, 05:13 PM
I no longer own any internally lockable guns. I don't plan to purchase an IL S&W in the future or ANY Tauri. Ruger appeased the lawyers acceptably.

Seriously could you picture Dirty Harry explaining in his awesome Dirty Harry voice, "No, you see here you insert this little key into the lock above the cylinder release and once it is unlocked you have the most powerful handgun in the world..."

September 28, 2011, 05:14 PM
Putting a lock on a revolver is akin to a crossbolt safety on a Wincheser 94 or a screen door on a submarine.

That's about right!

September 28, 2011, 09:38 PM
I don't really care. All else equal I'd go without, but my 642 has one and it doesn't bother me.

September 29, 2011, 01:23 AM
Do you think if police departments are still issuing revolvers, they would want the internal locks for their officers, who depend on a reliable firearm for survival?

Lucky Derby
September 29, 2011, 09:49 AM
dashootist: That is why the M&P series of auto pistols is offered both with and without a lock. They know that LE sales would be non-existant if they only offered it with a lock.

September 29, 2011, 10:03 AM
The Idiotic S&W design is a chance for Darwin to show off his theories

September 29, 2011, 10:23 AM
My understanding ( I know I'll get corrected if I'm wrong) is that S&W was bought by the people that owned the patent on the lock. They couldn't get any existing gun company to use it and pay them royalties. Smith just happened to be ripe for an aquisition. My only compalint is the need to make a machine less relaiable just to cya with our warped tort system. I own both lock and pre-lock guns. If I had the money I would convert all of them with better quality parts than are used in the manufacture and delete the lock.



Lucky Derby
October 2, 2011, 05:32 PM
As of now, a little over 72% dislike or hate the lock. A little over 27% don't care. Still, no one likes it.
Gunmakers: You will sell some guns to people despite the lock. You will not sell even one gun because of the lock.

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