[Preacherman]

These articles are by Charles Murray, and illustrate very well the frightening decline in the concept of punishment for crime, and the denial of any right to defend oneself. They're long, but worth reading.

Part 1: http://www.aei.org/news/newsID.19743,filter./news_detail.asp

Part 2: http://www.aei.org/news/newsID.19766,filter./news_detail.asp

A sample to whet your appetite:
The story was told by an American student named Valerie Ruppel who had returned from a term's study in London. Two days after her group reached Britain, a policewoman came to South Kensington to brief them on how to keep themselves safe.

I pick up Valerie's account in her own words: "Her first question was to the women, 'How many of you brought Mace?' Three girls raised their hands. She told us we couldn't use it, shouldn't even carry it, it was illegal.

"Had any of us brought any other type of weapon, such as a knife? Several of the men in our group indicated that they carried pocket knives. She told us to leave them at home too."

"Then she instructed us on how to properly be a victim. If we were attacked, we were to assume a defensive posture, such as raising our hands to block an attack."

"The reason (and she spelt it out in no uncertain terms) was that if a witness saw the incident and we were to attempt to defend ourselves by fighting back, the witness would be unable to tell who the aggressor was. However, if we rolled up in a ball it would be quite clear who the victim was."

This is the police talking--the police, the ones who are supposed to line up on the side of the good guys. If Mace is illegal, why not tell the women what legal substances they could carry (pepper spray or perhaps a particularly irritating hairspray) and add helpfully, "It works best if you go for the eyes"?

Pocket knives are legal. Why tell the men to leave them at home? The truly puzzling advice was to roll up in a ball if attacked so that a witness could tell who the victim was. Are we to believe that when a man has been seen grappling with a woman in the street it's going be a problem for the police to determine who the aggressor was?

Most of all: why are police giving this kind of mealy-mouthed advice in a country supposed to be in the midst of a war on crime?
:what: :fire: :banghead:

[El Tejon]

This could be Chicago.:D :scrutiny: :uhoh: :barf:

[P95Carry]

Just roll over, curl up ....... and take your beating/rape/murder ...... like a good honest SUBJECT!!!!

Whatever you do ... do NOT harm a hair on the perpetrator's head ...... or you may face jail (if still alive).

DEAR GOD ......... WHAT the hell is happening?!!!

I am lost for more words ... :cuss: :fire: :barf:

Oh - maybe I forgot ....... let the good po-po protect you ....... <groan>

[longeyes]

British politeness carried to the point of madness?

[Zedicus]

I told everone the same thing here on THR last year, In Fact, It was a Local Policeman who told me in the first place.

However a person or persons whom shal Remain Nameless for the time being (out of respect for THR and it's members), Tried to make me out to be a Liar.:fire:

now that somone else has found this out, I hope people realise the scope of the lunacy that is going on in this country....

Something needs to be done, but it would seem that far to few people in support of RKBA & SDF are willing to do much of anything except sit back and try to ignore it.

And the ones that Are doing anything, are probmptly being stomped on by the authoritys.

It is a very sad/disgusting thing to see in action....

[Mike Irwin]

The nation that gave us Magna Carta, English Common Law, Elizabeth I, the enlightenment of the Victorian Age, and Winston Churchill is reduced to this.

Amazing.

I wonder, if Naziism were to rise again, whether Britain would, as a nation, actively defend itself, or whether it would simply curl up in a ball.

I'm not sure that I want the answer to that, though. I don't think I'd like it.

[longeyes]

I'm reminded of those hedgehogs that served as willing croquet balls in Alice in Wonderland. Tucked themselves up pretty as you please.

Politeness carried to the point of servility is Useful for the State. Only the Important Ones are entitled to be strong and defend themselves, and they will decide who survives and who needn't. That's the message here.

[Balog]

Ah, I see the Brits have found the SNiVeL technique (http://www.handguncontrolinc.org/snivel.htm).


"Do The SNiVeL:

Step 1: "S" is for Safe - Assume a safe, fetal position, preferably under a table or other cover.

Step 2: "N" & "V" are for Non-Violent - Remember, remain non-violent. Moves that could be interpreted as 'self-defense' may only serve to further provoke your assailant. Offer no resistance.

Step 3: "L" is for Limp - Remain limp while begging and groveling for your life!!! This is no time for pride or courage, so cry like a girl, you fool!!! This will always serve you better than a firearm, which would only inject more violence into the situation. Finally, stay limp until your assailant has finished beating you like a rented mule. He will eventually tire from pummeling you mercilessly and choose to move on to a more entertaining endeavor, such as beating your spouse and/or children. "

[iapetus]

Gah! :( :mad: :fire: :cuss: :banghead:

Still, not all cops/ self-defence advisers over here are that bad.

My martial arts instructor is also a copper, and also runs Women's (or others') Self Defence courses from time to time.

At the last one I attended (as a training dummy for the women to beat up), one of the first things he did was to ask "Who would be prepared to gouge out a rapists' eye to defend yourself?" - and then said anyone who wasn't should leave, because they lacked the will to survive and might as well go home.

And advice on how to escape from someone who has their arm round your neck and is trying to choke/strangle you wasn't merely "bite their arm", as I've seen some other self-defence advisers say, but "bite so hard you tear a chunk of flesh out, so you can then hand it in as a DNA sample" :D

(He also pointed out that strangling can incapacitate or kill in seconds, so anything is justified to stop it).


On another occasion, I remember him showing us a load of illegal-to-carry weapons, and then showing us a variety of "perfectly innocent" everyday items that were functionally identical ;)


(This might be something to do with him being an ex para ;) )