.45lc vs .44mag ruger blackhawk


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zackyholdem
September 28, 2011, 08:55 PM
looking at a ruger blackhawk as a companion gun for deer hunting in michigan, and I cant decide between .45lc and .44 mag

shots will be under 50yds, w/ iron sights. i'm leaning towards the .45lc because of the availability of ammo in my area and i feel that the .45lc is more versatile than the .44.

Anyone got any ideas?

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waidmann
September 28, 2011, 09:03 PM
I love the .45 Colt but I can't imagine calling it more versatile than the .44 Magnum, especially when you throw .44 Special in the equation. If you are handloading the possibilities increase.

Even if you don't handload as your post implies, I can't imagine the locale where .45 Colt dominates off-the-shelf.

I have to give a nod to .44 Mag.

zackyholdem
September 28, 2011, 09:14 PM
to claify more, what i'm saying is that i can find way more medium power load (225gr 950fps) load with better bullets for the. 45lc than i can for the .44 mag

most of the .44 spec loads i can find are lead flat/round nose loads, with the .45lc there is tons of loads with premium bullets made to shoot out of the taurus judge available.

for deer out of the .45lc i was thinking the hornady LEVERevoluton 225gr 1000fps load

BCCL
September 28, 2011, 09:16 PM
I've become a big fan of 45 Colt over the last 2 years, and it will work just fine in the whitetail arena! :)

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m103/Bear_Claw_Chris_Lappe/2010%20Deer%20Hunt/6-Ruger.jpg

BUT, even I have to admit, if you want a caliber that is easy to buy "off the shelf", then .44 magnum in my experience is much easier to walk into a store and buy than 45 Colt, at least in these parts.

I can literally go 6-7 months without finding any accept 20 round boxes of Winchester at Wal-Mart. I usually have to buy several boxes at once at gun shows, until I can get to reloading again.

BossHogg
September 28, 2011, 10:04 PM
45 colt is my choice for whitetail. 50 yards should be a easy shot with the 45 colt, mine is a Blackhawk with a 7.5 inch barrel. A great gun for walking the fields and thickets after you come in from the stand.

Brasso
September 28, 2011, 10:17 PM
Nice ruger BCCL. That's an old model "New Model" Blackhawk? Heavy cylinder?

Dave Bulla
September 28, 2011, 10:25 PM
Looks like a new model, standard cylinder to me. And yes, I think it's a nice one too.

I've got a 44 mag stainless hunter and it shoots great but there's something about them old time calibers that sort of just calls to me. 45lc, 45-70, 35 Remington, 32-20... heck, I've even got a 9.3x57 and most people have never even heard of that one.

Everybody's got a 44 mag seems like.

solvability
September 28, 2011, 10:47 PM
I have both and now shoot the 44 more often.

BCCL
September 29, 2011, 08:01 AM
Nice ruger BCCL. That's an old model "New Model" Blackhawk? Heavy cylinder?

Plain old "New Model", made in 2009.

First whitetail buck and first handgun deer in one shot! :)

Lawdawg45
September 29, 2011, 08:24 AM
As far as Deer hunting the .45 Colt is hard to beat, and it does offer options from the sub-sonic cowboy loads all the way up to the Buffalo Bore .45 +P. I also use the Hornaday Leverevolution in my rifle and handgun.

LD

Bula
September 29, 2011, 05:09 PM
Either is perfectly suited for deer. One other consideration, I have both, and there is a diffence in weight between the 2. My 4 5/8" Stainless SBH is feels heavier due to the steel grip frame. My blued 45 colt is a 5.5" but it's an aluminum grip frame.

MCgunner
September 29, 2011, 06:20 PM
Colt if you handload, magnum if you don't. My .45 is a stainless 4 5/8" blackhawk.

CraigC
September 29, 2011, 08:33 PM
Six of one, half a dozen of the other. One must handload to get the most out of the .45Colt and it doesn't hurt with the .44Mag either.

aggieoutlaw
September 29, 2011, 09:01 PM
Love my 7.5" Bisley .45 Colt. Probably my favorite gun. If I could do it again, I'd probably get one with convertible .45 ACP/LC cylinders. Much cheaper to shoot! You'll recover the initial costs with only a few range trips!

skidder
September 30, 2011, 12:25 AM
Colt if you handload, magnum if you don't. My .45 is a stainless 4 5/8" blackhawk.

I agree.

Missionary
September 30, 2011, 05:28 AM
Good morning
Benefit of the 45 Colt is the ready availability of heavy bullet moulds. Beyond that any critter out there will not notice the difference of .02 diameter bullets (the 44 mag is really a .43). Itīs like saying the .43 mag is better than the .41 mag with the same weight bullet at the same velocity.
But as I like to say.. a bigger hole is always better. So years ago I sold my last .43 mag as I really liked the .41 better and went to the 45 Colt as I like them.
Mike in Peru

USSR
September 30, 2011, 08:06 AM
Benefit of the 45 Colt is the ready availability of heavy bullet moulds.

+1. I have one of Miha's brass Cramer-type moulds that is a version of the RCBS .45-270-SAA mould, and these big .454 bullets moving at 1000+ fps makes for quite a thumper.

Don

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTAPjh7j2CtGxdXRiGBbUYbR9jf5nzNpdxp44tprbYImnCJjIZ1

CraigC
September 30, 2011, 11:14 AM
There is not exactly a shortage of heavy bullets for the .44Mag either. Bullet on the right goes 355gr and can be pushed 100fps faster than 360's in the .45Colt.

http://photos.imageevent.com/newfrontier45/sixgunsiii/large/IMG_7803b.jpg

OregonJohnny
September 30, 2011, 02:28 PM
One other thing to consider is weight. When you're talking about pocket guns, weight is a bad thing. In single-action revolvers shooting big bore cartridges capable of taking down medium game, weight is a good thing. Here are the stats from Ruger's website:

Super Blackhawk, .44 Magnum, Blued, 4.6" barrel: 45 oz.
Blackhawk, .45 Colt, Blued, 4.6" barrel: 39 oz.

Whether this is because of the Super's unfluted cylinder, different frame materials, slightly smaller charging holes, or a combination of all 3, I'm not sure. But I'd welcome an extra 6 oz. and thicker cylinder walls when touching off heavy, "big boy" loads.

I personally prefer the look of unfluted cylinders on a single-action revolver anyway. When I faced this same Blackhawk/Super Blackhawk dilemma, I went with the Super. Besides, it matched my Marlin 1894 so well!

CraigC
September 30, 2011, 03:01 PM
They're doing much better than before but you still can't realy trust Ruger's published weights. A 4 5/8" Super is more like 43oz and the blued .45Colt Blackhawk in the same length is 36oz. My 4 5/8" Super converted to a Bisley is 45oz. The slight difference in bore size, chamber size and flutes makes a minor difference but the biggest difference comes from the .45's aluminum grip frame and ejector housing. The Super is all steel, blued or stainless.

I reckon I could weigh the unfluted cylinders of my Bisleys and the fluted cylinder of my .44 flat-top and see what difference the flutes make.

Brasso
September 30, 2011, 04:30 PM
Where did you get the mold for that 355gr wfn?

Super Sneaky Steve
September 30, 2011, 04:41 PM
I vote .45 Colt cuz .44 rem mags are for noobs.

CraigC
September 30, 2011, 11:47 PM
Where did you get the mold for that 355gr wfn?
I didn't, it came from Beartooth.


I vote .45 Colt cuz .44 rem mags are for noobs.
.44Mag's do not suffer from the maladies that affect the .45Colt. Such as oversized chambers, under or over sized chamber mouths and odd bore sizes. On average, they tend to shoot much better out of the box. Colt is still cutting theirs for .454" bullets and with Ruger, you never know what you're gonna get. In a six-shot Ruger, performance is equal.

stevelyn
October 1, 2011, 04:34 AM
I like the Colt, but unless you handload you're probably better off with the .44.

Brasso
October 1, 2011, 10:30 AM
I didn't, it came from Beartooth.


Argh.

Trying to find a decent WFN bullet mold from the big makers is next to impossible. As popular as that style is, no one seems to want to offer one. ????? At least not with a plain base.

I guess I'll just have to go the custom route. Mountain Molds or NEI.

Ol' Thumbuster
October 1, 2011, 01:27 PM
Some more food for thought comparing the .44 to the old, worn out .45.


http://www.customsixguns.com/writings/dissolving_the_myth.htm

CraigC
October 1, 2011, 02:07 PM
Some more food for thought comparing the .44 to the old, worn out .45.
And one must remember when reading the above article that it was written in the `80's and that bullet selection has changed greatly. I'm afraid that with regards to the .44, it is outdated. Nowadays the .44 enjoys at least a 100fps advantage over all bullet weights.

alienbogey
October 2, 2011, 01:27 AM
45 Colt because it has 100+ years of American heritage, makes a bigger hole, and can be stuffed full of black powder just as originally loaded in 1873.

Lost Sheep
October 2, 2011, 03:29 AM
looking at a ruger blackhawk as a companion gun for deer hunting in michigan, and I cant decide between .45lc and .44 mag

shots will be under 50yds, w/ iron sights. i'm leaning towards the .45lc because of the availability of ammo in my area and i feel that the .45lc is more versatile than the .44.

Anyone got any ideas?
Companion gun? What is your primary?

The 45 Colt loads for the Taurus Judge are pretty far short of what you can shoot out of the Ruger Blackhawk. So, if you handload yourself, have access to a custom ammo manufacturer or can get Buffalo Bore or other high-end, high-power hunting ammunition (available in both 45 Colt and 44 Magnum) either will do.

45 Colt has 12% more frontal area than the 44 Magnum. But the 44 Magnum has better external ballistics (flatter trajectory and better velocity retention at distance). For the performance envelope you describe, I suggest 45 Colt in custom crafted hunting ammunition. HOWEVER, if you are going to use off-the-shelf ammunition, the 45 Colt's commonly found ammo will not take advantage of the strength of the Ruger. So the 44 Magnum will offer better killing power. 44 Magnum, in addition to having a wide range of power levels commonly found, also has a wide range of factory bullets in loaded ammunition. In 45 Colt, to get really good bullets, you have to go specialty ammomakers, custom loads or load them yourself.

My advice: 45 Colt if you will use custom or specialty ammo. Common retail 45 Colt hasn't the power levels to take advantage of the strength of the Ruger and bullet selection in commonly found loaded ammunition is poor. 44 Magnum if you will use truly off-the-shelf ammo. Common retail ammunition has better bullet selection and power commensurate with your gun.

Good luck,

Lost Sheep

murf
October 2, 2011, 12:39 PM
i vote for the 45lc. standard ammo is plenty powerful for deer, recoil is mild and, as stated above, the 45 weighs less than the 44.

murf

Racebannon
October 2, 2011, 04:02 PM
I like the Ruger 45 Colt/45 ACP Convertible, a very useful handgun

bangaway
October 2, 2011, 05:07 PM
The .45 colt is a good choice even more if you find one with the .45 auto cyl. The .45 will take deer and with less recoil and noise. I like the Keith swc of 452424 at 260 gr. and in the hotter 600 to 700 ft pd level. Have fun and bangaway.

Deaf Smith
October 3, 2011, 10:32 PM
While I think the .45 LC is a dandy if you reload, the .44 will be found far more often on dealers shelves.

I've always wanted a 3 to 4 inch Ruger Redhawk .45 LC, but I'm quite happy with my 4 inch 629-1.

Deaf

tnek13
October 3, 2011, 11:26 PM
I reload so both are excellent choices for Deer. As noted the 45 has a larger cross section, however the 44 mag can be loaded to a much higher pressure = more velocity, better ballistics. I shoot more 45s than 44s but hunt with the 44, so take you pick and enjoy.

bsms
October 5, 2011, 09:12 AM
A 45 convertible gives you both...45 acp for cheaper ammo at around 350 ft/lbs, or 45 loaded up to whatever you are willing to try.

MCgunner
October 5, 2011, 09:28 AM
And a reloading press opens a whole nuther world. :D I don't need no stinkin' ACP cylinder for MY blackhawk.

USSR
October 5, 2011, 11:02 AM
And a reloading press opens a whole nuther world. I don't need no stinkin' ACP cylinder...

+1. My .45 Colt loads vary from mild (270gr SWC/6.2gr Solo 1000) to wild (270gr SWC/18.0gr 2400). And, anybody with a stronger revolver can load them even hotter, but since I have a S&W 25-5, I tend to keep my pressure no higher than the 23k level.

Don

Deaf Smith
October 5, 2011, 07:07 PM
45 Colt because it has 100+ years of American heritage, makes a bigger hole, and can be stuffed full of black powder just as originally loaded in 1873.
And the .44 magnum came from the .44 Special which came from the .44 Russian.

And they were also black power rounds over 100 years old.

Deaf

MCgunner
October 5, 2011, 08:22 PM
Dirty Harry used a .44 magnum...so there! Of course, Matt Dillon used a .45...I guess, maybe .44-40. And, well, my hero, James Bond....oh, never mind. :D

Owen Sparks
October 5, 2011, 11:16 PM
A little different angle here but my .45 Colt is a 20" Marlin. With handloads it will do anything a .44 Magnum will do with the same weight bullet and make a slightly larger hole. If you are limited to factory loads by all means go with the .44. Typical .45 Colt factory loads are held to very low pressure to keep you from blowing up great-grandads antique revolver and sueing the ammo maker. If you load the .45 Colt hot use new Starline brass and common sense.

ghitch75
October 6, 2011, 09:46 PM
i just like the idea of a 45 Colt runnin' as fast as a 44mag......25gr's of 296 behind a MBC 250gr "Pinbuster" @ 1400FPS puts out a world of hurt!!!......but i have 1911's too....so i went with this....

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb368/ghitch75/S3010324-1.jpg

Franco2shoot
October 7, 2011, 11:00 AM
Ok,
I went through this entire thread and it seems like a toss up. But nowhere in the discussion did I see anything about shot placement. I'm curious as to how one hunts white tail with a hand gun be it Ruger or Colt (I have both) So riddle me this:
You're hunkered down behind a tree... (Prolly for a good deal of time) along comes Mister Buck (the kind with antlers on 4 legs) What is the preferred position before you squeeze the trigger?


Thanks

KKKKFL

ghitch75
October 7, 2011, 02:38 PM
I'm curious as to how one hunts white tail with a hand gun be it Ruger or Colt (I have both) So riddle me this:
You're hunkered down behind a tree... (Prolly for a good deal of time) along comes Mister Buck (the kind with antlers on 4 legs) What is the preferred position before you squeeze the trigger?



sittin' or standin'...grab with both hands aim for boiler room and let her fly!!!

BCCL
October 7, 2011, 10:40 PM
Since I'm left handed, and this buck approached from the right side of my blind, it was "lean back and aim one-handed across my chest, while holding onto the side of the blind with my right hand and POP right in the sweet spot!"

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m103/Bear_Claw_Chris_Lappe/2010%20Deer%20Hunt/9.jpg

From about 25 feet away, any closer I coulda buffaloed him Wyatt Earp style! :)

zackyholdem
October 10, 2011, 08:04 PM
after careful thought i decided to go with the .44 mag instead of the .45lc. I picked up this beauty for 450 otd (2009 model year) used in 99% condition. Its got a 7.5" barrel and a pachmayr aftermarket grip. all in all i think i got it for a good price so i'm happy :)

zxcvbob
October 10, 2011, 08:07 PM
the kind with antlers on 4 legs

I'd pay to see that. :D

Mike1234567
October 10, 2011, 08:11 PM
^^^ Oh, now you've opened up that ancient can-o'-worms called "thou shalt not dangle thou participles in public" associated with "American English".

336A
October 10, 2011, 08:16 PM
Good deal know go shoot it and update us with a range report.

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