Looking for a new "modern" truck pistol


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Peter M. Eick
September 29, 2011, 03:00 PM
Group,

I am not much of a modern pistol shooter and frankly prefer carbon steel to stainless but alas I need to get something modern. I normally buy pre-1950 revolvers lately so modern steel is something I am pretty unaware of.

Laws have changed here in Texas so we now can take a handgun in our trucks to and from work. Our places of employment can no longer restrict us having concealed and licensed handguns stored in our vehicle while at work. So I can now start to "carry" a gun back and forth and just leave it in the truck.

I am looking for an autoloader suggestion but they have to fit in these parameters:

1) 380 auto or bigger, 9mm preferred

2) Must be reasonably rust-free as I live on the gulf coast and it will rust in the truck. Stainless and aluminum would be preferred

3) Must have an actual safety. Prefer a decocker. No "safe action" guns or DAO's without an actual safety.

4) Needs to be small enough that it is easily carried. As much as I would like to carry a full sized 1911, that is too much for me to conceal easily.

5) No real budget limit but I don't want something super expensive I have to worry about every time I go into the store.

I was sort of thinking about the springfield EMP in 9mm. I normally carry a H&K P7PSP but even with teflon coating, that will rust in the truck. I am currently using my beretta 84F but its a nice gun and unless I just buy another with all of the lettering on it, I don't want to leave it in the truck all day. My alternate is a sig 238 for general carry with shorts in the summer so it is also a possibility.

So what else is there in the EMP to SIG 238 range in say 380 to 40?

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snooperman
September 29, 2011, 03:24 PM
about $299. Built solid and will take hot loads too. Makes an excellent truck gun.

drkeg
September 29, 2011, 03:49 PM
Since you already carry a PSP, why not have it hard chromed? Or get another one that already is?

rcmodel
September 29, 2011, 03:56 PM
sort of thinking about the springfield EMP in 9mm.Too expensive to arm a crack-head that steals it out of your truck sooner or later.

I'd second a stainless Ruger P95.

Fuggly & big, but it will always work, and shouldn't rust shut or clog up with hairballs under the seat.

rc

ATBackPackin
September 29, 2011, 04:00 PM
The Colt Defender (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_141/products_id/62242) has everything that you are looking for. It even looks a little less than the EMP, I would get one in a heartbeat if I had the money.

There are also a couple of compact alloy CZ's. There is the PCR (http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-75-d-pcr-compact/) which doesn't have a rail but has a decocker and there is the P01 (http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-p01/) that does have a rail and a decocker. They are double stacks, but I have a friend who carries one all the time with no problems. If interested I can direct him to this thread.

Shawn

Fishbed77
September 29, 2011, 04:00 PM
If I were you, I'd be looking at a Sig Sauer SP2022. It sounds like it would meet most all of your requirements, and they can be found new for around $350.

mgmorden
September 29, 2011, 04:12 PM
Sounds like a Ruger SR9C would fit your bill ok.

It's modern, it's 9mm, it's stainless, it's got a safety, and its small enough to carry. It also costs around $400-450 and comes with not only the compact mag, but also a full-size mag and grip adapter that when inserted exactly mimics the grip profile of the full-sized SR9 (just with a slightly shorter barrel).

Also Made in the USA if that matters to you.

Lonestar49
September 29, 2011, 04:18 PM
...

Beretta Px4 F "Compact" w/rotating barrel, 9mm

Safety/decocker in one but can be converted to a G-model, very quickly/easily, for a decocker-only

DA/SA 9mm models

Top - Px4 full size, Middle - Px4"Compact", Bottom - Px4 Sc tilt up barrel action (not my favorite)

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc306/Lonestar49/PX4FamilyPhoto.jpg

450 ish NIB

High-load mag capacity

With a polymer frame, no rust, far less to worry about rusting and can be prevented IF treated (any metal) with a few good synthetic's out there, the best, IMHO, is Eezox, which I've used, now, for 6yrs on 9 guns.. no rust and will not harm plastic.



http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc306/Lonestar49/eezox500.jpg

Rust test -

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc306/Lonestar49/Test2_43hoursWEB500.jpg

http://www.warrencustomoutdoor.com/eezox-dealers.html

http://www.eezox.info/msds.html

Found this vid, not bad -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFn8wrUPMZ0


Ls

My Px4 40 G model and Sig P228 9mm

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc306/Lonestar49/Picture390.jpg

memphisjim
September 29, 2011, 04:22 PM
glock 9mm would be great especially since there are factory 33round mags
but if its for a truck and not concealed carry id consider a glock 10mm

cpirtle
September 29, 2011, 04:43 PM
Given that you already have the motor skills for a single action trigger if it were me I would stay at least within the same action type. With that said there are plenty of good 1911's to choose from in your price range.

Sig C3 comes to mind as does the Colt Defender already mentioned.

I agree with RC about arming crack heads, but that's up to you.

Not all stainless is created equal, I've seen plenty of stainless slides develop rust. I'd still recommend coating the steel with Renaissance wax paying special attention to anywhere there are milling marks.

PS: Springfield does not use stainless components (hard chromed) so even with the EMP you run the risk of non-stainless parts rusting.

gripper
September 29, 2011, 05:39 PM
Truck gun?Hard chromed Draco/Mini Draco...PPS 43...and earplugs!

Omaney
September 29, 2011, 06:01 PM
S&w 5906

jeepguy
September 29, 2011, 06:15 PM
for a truck gun & cheap carry gun i would look at the cz 82(9x18) cz 83(.380) these are great guns for the money. usually about $200 to $225 which is nice becuse if it does get stolen somehow you are not out a lot of money. my cz 82 isn't pretty but she is a good shooter & functions perfectly. these are solid steel with a thumb safty. i liked it so much i bought a cz 75 compact & 2 full size cz 75's. the full size cz 75 would also be a nice choice if you want a 9mm.

MCgunner
September 29, 2011, 06:34 PM
Buy something you don't mind some punk helping himself to over night while you're sleeping after he breaks your window to gain entry. Don't ask, thank goodness I don't believe in truck guns, though.....:rolleyes:

Zerodefect
September 29, 2011, 08:23 PM
You can rub down your pistol with a rag soaked in Mobile1 synth grease. Then rub clean with a dry rag.

Works great for me.......When I use it on checkered guns like a DW Vbob with sharp Tac Diamond VZ grips. But usually that grease wipes off prettty clean anyways. Can't do such things with plastic guns. Those just get permanently slick if I even mention grease.

A Glock in a Raven Concealment holster is the best "truck gun". But doesn't meet your listed criteria.

How about a S&W M&P with the optional safety lever?

Still I recommend keeping it covered in a Ravens Holster. My rule is: One in the pipe? Trigger is then covered by a holster of some sort.

miles1
September 29, 2011, 08:30 PM
about $299. Built solid and will take hot loads too. Makes an excellent truck gun.
Agreed 100%.Was thinking the same thing.

MachIVshooter
September 29, 2011, 08:39 PM
Another vote for the 5906.

glock 9mm would be great especially since there are factory 33round mags
but if its for a truck and not concealed carry id consider a glock 10mm

OP stated:

Must have an actual safety. Prefer a decocker. No "safe action" guns or DAO's without an actual safety.

mgmorden
September 29, 2011, 08:41 PM
Buy something you don't mind some punk helping himself to over night while you're sleeping after he breaks your window to gain entry. Don't ask, thank goodness I don't believe in truck guns, though.....

This is a risk, but its mostly overstated. The VAST majority of vehicle break-ins occur because the owner was stupid and left something of value in plain sight.

Breaking into a car (and likely setting off an alarm) is a risk for a criminal. It's a risk they're willing to take, but they can't do it to every car in a neighborhood (or most expecially in a parking lot) before getting caught. The break into one, grab what they can, and then dash.

No good thief is going to roll the dice on that one car they picked not having anything worth stealing in it. They're going to pick sure-shots. Don't leave anything worth stealing visible, and you won't have any issues.

I've kept a gun in my car for 10 years. Never had anything stolen. As a matter of fact out of all the people I even know I only know of one who's had ANYTHING stolen from their cars, and - you guessed it - he left a bag full of merchandise sitting on the front seat, AND LEFT THE DOOR UNLOCKED.

Strykervet
September 29, 2011, 09:33 PM
Well, for a truck pistol, keep it locked out of sight. I know they sell armrests for many trucks for about $100 that have a built in pistol safe. Pretty cool.

For what you requested, look at the Kahr for all stainless and compact in 9mm and .40. Their biggest one has only a 4"bbl., and the smallest a 3" I think. They are very thin and have single stack mags.

There are other Sigs than the one you mentioned, look at their site. They make a bunch. There are bunch of good used ones going around too. A local store has them for $450 or so with night sights in the boxes (but pretty well worn).

Beretta has the Inox 92 and 96. Basically an all stainless 92.

There are a BUNCH of 3rd gen. Smith and Wesson pistols around, and at great prices. They don't make 'em anymore and they come in all flavors and sizes from full size .45 and 10mm to compact 9mm single and double stack. They came blued, stainless, mixed, and with aluminum frames. All kinds of safety and decocker options. Well made and accurate, I wish they still made 'em.

Kimber makes a new 9mm compact pistol that is a little different than the run of the mill stuff. Worth checking out I guess. Stainless and aluminum I think.

Para Ord? makes or made a DA/SA compact pistol that is like a 1911 but with a different trigger. I think it came or comes in different calibres. If Para Ord doesn't make it, I can't recall who did.

CZ makes a fine 9mm, the CZ75 and others like it. I don't know about the finish options though. Some consider it along with the G17 or 19 as "the" modern 9mm pistol.

Armalite has a pistol now, but I don't know much about it. They aren't really known for pistols.

Getting away from aluminum frames, you have the new FN pistols, they have this new switchable action or something, they come in stainless with plastic frames. Smith and Wesson has their pistols with manual safeties and then there are the Springfield XD's and others as well. Sig, Walther, everyone has gone over to mostly plastic on their new stuff. That and stainless, and you have a lot of options.

Now I think the Glock is the best thing for defense, but not the newest ones. They won't rust and they are ready to go. I carry one and so does my wife. Her G17 has a heavier "NY" trigger. It doesn't have the safety you want, but with a good holster it is desireable this way.

W.E.G.
September 29, 2011, 09:35 PM
If you're planning on leaving it in a vehicle where it might get stolen, buy the most expensive gun you are willing to lose.

redraidermgr
September 30, 2011, 05:41 AM
I second the Ruger P95. Great gun cheap and you can get one for 300 or less (especially used.)

The size goes against your specs size wise but is a durable and cheap gun.

Another option would be the M&P9c with a manual safety. They have stainless slides with a melonite finish (very rust resistant). The downside to these are they are more expensive (in the $500 dollar range for new).

Peter M. Eick
September 30, 2011, 08:28 AM
Thanks for the advice.

The truck is always locked. Having had one stolen already, I understand that in Texas it is not if, it is a matter of when the truck is stolen. I was going to put in a gunsafe in the truck, but if they take the truck it will be just a few more minutes to pry that out.

I will drop by the LFGS and take a look at the Ruger P95. I know nothing about them and they seem to come up a lot as a suggestion.

Someone suggested I hard chrome one of my other P7's. I have considered that but H&K's have a well earned reputation for rusting and even with hard chrome I expect that it will rust in the truck. The gulf coast is just too darn hot and humid.


I will say it was a lot easier living in west texas. Out there I just dropped a Witness 10mm in and never worried about rust.

So off to see about a Ruger. Thanks a bunch.

CWL
September 30, 2011, 02:25 PM
A bit late, but I want to jump on the bandwagon for getting a Ruger. Not my favorite manufacturer especially when compared to HK P7s, but Ruger fits your criteria.

Old John
September 30, 2011, 03:33 PM
My DSW carries a Keltec P11, 9mm. We only gave $269 for it at the LGS. So, it's not like an expensive gun. The regular magazines hold 10 rds. And, I think you can get 12 rounders. The only thing, it's a DAO w/a 9# trigger. DSW shoots her's just fine.
It's mostly all aluminum and polymer.
It's a good Cheap Alternative to a higher Dollar gun.

wild cat mccane
September 30, 2011, 03:39 PM
None.

A truck can be stolen. No matter how secure it is in the truck it does not have the level of protection that a gun in the house does.

Leaving anything of value in a car is just stupid. This is a well known concept. Not the same as a house, so let's not play the metaphor game.

Don't leave guns in cars. (says the guy who had one stole out of his car. To some degree it was my fault.)

MICHAEL T
September 30, 2011, 06:39 PM
Bersa 380 9mm 40 or 45 all DA/SA decocker and compact

RAINS
September 30, 2011, 06:49 PM
Add a vote in for the sig 9mm p2022. Hell of a lot of gun for the money. But if you need that manual safely and semi disposable nature with decent quality just go Ruger.

TheBurns
September 30, 2011, 07:22 PM
Buy the highest capactiy hand gun you can find if it is strictly a truck gun. If you've made it to the vehicle. givem em hell. I now have a ketlec sub 2000 in my vehicle with glock 9mm 33 round magazines. before that, had a saiga 12 with a beta mag. Dont mess around is what I suggest. If someone chases you all the way to your vehicle. send them to hell in pieces. also, since you ARE in Texas, maybe a mare's leg? Henry carries new models now.

now. if, this is just a gun you can CCW and store in your vehicle during work, buy something you can CCW. The P95 is a hog. I love mine, even though its large and unwieldly but, if you're thinking about carrying this gun CCW and just leaving it in your truck when you get to work, install a decent little gun safe under the seat, wally world carries winchester's new one, and carry something you like.

Hossfly68
September 30, 2011, 08:38 PM
I've been drooling over the CZ-2075 lately. They make a polymer one, with a decocker, but I've got my heart set on the alloy one with the safety.

BossHogg
September 30, 2011, 09:02 PM
Sigma 9mm is a perfect truck gun. But living where you do I'd take it in everynight.

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