[TenMillimaster]

THR, since you and I get along so well, I'd like you all to look over this and see what you think. I sent the V.P of administration of my school (emory university) this email:

Hello Mr.xxxxxxxxx,
A number of students and I are currently active recreational shooters. As students we find it difficult to exercise our 2nd amendment rights while we are residents at our school. I understand that university policy states that weapons are not allowed on campus. I also understand that Georgia state law allows for exceptions to be made by the institution.

In light of this possibility we would like to have a weapons locker placed on campus under the care of the University Police department; I have spoken with Sgt. xxxxxxxxxxx about the matter and he has confirmed that it is only university policy that stands in our way. Other students and I feel that with a locker on campus for storage we can better start a recreational shooting club, perhaps a competition shooting team representing our school, and be better able to exercise our individual second amendment rights.

We would like to petition for the placement of such a locker on campus if change can not be had now, but I am unfamiliar with university policy regarding petitions. Will I need to have my petition approved by the unversity before I can start collecting signatures?

Thank you for your time,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

His response:

xxxxxxxxxx,
I appreciate you reaching out in this way and I will get back with you early next week. While I think it will be problematic to meet your request in this way, I want to consider some alternatives before formally responding. Thank you
*

I want to get some of my fellow students and perhaps some faculty to email him before he replies again to try and convince him. Any thoughts on what I should say?

[hso]

Find out what Tech does for their shooting club. Get enough friends together to apply for club status for a shooting club. Have all of them make the same request and contact other clubs on campus for support.

I would get support from at least 3 faculty members and any of the ROTC students pursuing their program off campus.

[TenMillimaster]

Find out what Tech does for their shooting club. Get enough friends together to apply for club status for a shooting club. Have all of them make the same request and contact other clubs on campus for support.

I would get support from at least 3 faculty members and any of the ROTC students pursuing their program off campus.

I'm getting a shooting club chartered... Need 3 more members (which I can undoubtedly get) and I already have my faculty contact. The help from ROTC students and other clubs is a great idea, forgot about them.

[TenMillimaster]

I got my reply today. At least he was polite.

XXXXXXXXXX

Again, thank you for your note.* *As you know, Emory does not currently have a secure weapons storage facility on campus and after discussing your request with the Chief of Police and General Counsel, we are all in agreement that we should not develop one at this time.* There are, however, *private businesses that could satisfy your needs.* The Sandy Springs Gun Club and Range does provide weapons storage to its members.* They can be reached at ##########.* *I recognize this is not convenient to campus and may not work for you, but it does point to the possibility of alternatives.* Closer to campus, on Zonolite Road, the Quickshot Shooting Range may be another option.* While they do not currently provide such storage lockers, if you and several of your friends request them, they may see an un-served market and provide these services.* For a variety of reasons including the availability of these options, we do not foresee providing this service on campus.
Thank you and best wishes,
XXXXXX

[Oxide]

Well, he is denying your second amendment rights. You've got every right to go to war on the institution.

On the other hand, sometimes discretion is the better part of valor. You're already on their radar, but, sometimes, it is better to quietly do what you want, by yourself, than to try to be a crusader. For instance, a university cannot search your car without a signed warrant. They can search your dorm at their whim. Then, there is always off campus housing.

When someone hits 20, they learn that they want to change the world for the better. When someone hits 30, they realize it isn't worth the trouble it will cause.

[langenc]

Might try to get a group like this to support you!!!! (VCDL=Virginia Citizens Defense League) Check their website and get on the email list. All kinds of good info-you can even join the organization!!
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1. VCDL protests are coming: "Operation Campus Safety" announced
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THE PROBLEM - UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES ENDANGERING THE INNOCENT

The Board of Directors of VCDL has decided that enough is enough when it comes to the safety of the students, faculty, staff, and guests at Virginia public universities and colleges. Higher-education "no gun" policies do not make the innocent any safer. Instead such policies enable people like Cho to wantonly massacre, rape, and rob.

Those policies disarm students, faculty and staff not only on campus, but going to and from campus. ODU, for example, is not situated in the best part of town and unarmed students pay the price.

What's even more egregious is that concealed handgun permit holders, who are at least 21 years old, have clean records, have had training, are not illegal drug users or habitual drunkards, and carry virtually everywhere else they go, are purposely left helpless. There simply is no excuse for that. Just one armed permit holder in one of those classrooms under attack at Virginia Tech on that fateful day in 2007 could have stopped Cho.

[A JMU STUDENT, WHO IS ALSO A CHP HOLDER, SAVED HIS LIFE LAST WEEK JUST OFF THE JMU CAMPUS - SEE ITEM #2, BELOW]

Just who exactly do those who live in the Ivory Towers think they are to dictate what your life or mine is worth? Where do they get the authority to do so? Gun laws are strictly controlled by the General Assembly and there is NO enabling legislation giving higher-ed the authority to have gun-control on campus. Too many of those in the Ivory Towers are so lost in the alternate world of academia, they become isolated from reality.

The thought of being expelled from Virginia Tech, something that I'm sure the University considers right up there with the death penalty, didn't even slow Cho down from his dark mission. And after the massacre, the University completely missed the real-world lesson that was so painfully taught them. Instead they decided to double-down on a failed and dangerous policy that only works on a blackboard.

The universities know that the Virginia Attorney General Cuccinelli has stated that they are not responsible for ensuring the safety of students (http://tinyurl.com/65vyx9w), yet those same universities demand that students nonetheless delegate their safety to the university and its police officers (who by the way have a Supreme Court ruling that says that THEY are not responsible for the safety of any one individual, only the public generally)! Nothing against campus police, but the same unfortunate reality applies to them as it does all other police officers - when seconds count between life and death, the police are only minutes away.

Speaking of that, when Virginia Tech was under attack by Cho, guess where a contingency of police went immediately? You guessed it - to protect those in the Ivory Towers! Those in the Ivory Towers should not get any more protection than anyone else - after all, it is their dangerous policies of making people FEEL safe that only end up aiding someone like Cho in his mission of murder.

A SOLUTION - VCDL WILL BE PROTESTING AT A SCHOOL NEAR YOU!

If higher-education won't do the right thing on their own, then VCDL and gun owners statewide need to "nudge" them onto the right path.

How do we do that?

Simple. We hit them where it hurts - right in the wallet. With the economy in the dumps, higher-ed is probably not getting the level of donations they are used to and we plan on squeezing them even more.

To that effect, VCDL is preparing a series of campus protests over the next few months. We are having signs, brochures, and stickers made as I write this. We will be on campus educating students and we will be reaching out to alumni to stop donations to the school until they change their policies, however long that takes.

Those protests will be starting in a few weeks.

ALUMNI AND PROSPECTIVE PARENTS - WE NEED SOME QUOTES FROM YOU!

If you are an alumni of the following schools, or are considering sending your son or daughter to one of them, and don't mind your name being published in the pamphlets, email me (president@vcdl.org) a one or two sentence quote that we can use in the brochures that we will be handing out on campus:

College of William & Mary
Virginia Commonwealth University
George Mason University
Virginia Tech
James Madison University
Radford University

Include in the quote, which university or college you attended. Something like, "As an alumni of XYZ University, I cannot and will not support a school that mindlessly disarms students, faculty, staff, and guests with concealed handgun permits." Please use your own wording.

I will be announcing each protest a week or so before it is held here on VA-ALERT so that we can get a good turnout at each one. We will need people holding signs, handing out brochures, and talking to those with questions. Someone from VCDL leadership will be interfacing with the press.

In the meantime, spread the word far and near. When a university or college asks for money, tell them: NO GUNS? NO FUNDS!

[rjrivero]

Have this student contact Michigan State University's Public Safety Office. Let them know that he is interested in modeling a University Operating Procedure similar to the one they have been using for DECADES.

Ask for any and all problems that may have occurred using their current program in order to provide some re-assurance that this has worked for other big universities in this country.

Have him also check with schools that have a collegate shooting team. Find their procedures for storage of their competition firearms for students living on campus.

This is not new, but it IS going to be like pissing in the wind in today's liberal college climate.

You need to be the squeaky wheel. So start squeaking louder and more often.

[22lr]

Have a convenient method in place for students to carry to and from school would be awesome. I went to IUPUI in Indianapolis and you could just swing by the campus PD and drop it off. Kind of a hassle since the PD wasn't near anything else, but it worked.

Staying polite and professional is key, its a plus that the replys seems to be professional. I think the problem is the cost of a safe, and insurance issues of having to cover the firearms on the policy (covering for loss, damage etc). Personally I see this as a great compromise between the 2 camps (CCW on campus, and no carry). id like to see full carry, but id accept this as a compromise since I know there isn't a chance in Hades to get CCW on campus short of a congressional order.