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hvychev77
September 30, 2011, 10:13 PM
as the title says, i'm looking for the best tumbler for the $$. I went cheap to begin with, i got one from harbour freight, and as you could imagine it only lasted about 6 months. i haven't used it that much either, i think i paid 40 bones for it. i was looking at the cabelas (which i think is made by berry's) and it had good reviews, and i've also looked at the Lyman but was concerned about the top on it. It looks as if the top is open and it says, it has a media seperating type top on it? Anyways, i don't need one to do huge amounts of brass. Any advice or warnings would be greatly appreciated, i don't want to flush money down the toilet like i did on the first one.......Thanks guys, hvychev77

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jcwit
September 30, 2011, 10:17 PM
My recommendation, get the Berry or Cabelas tumbler, they are the same and a very good value.

BTW you should have taken the H/F tumbler back, I did and got my money back. One of the few times I've ever had a problem with anything from H/F.

hvychev77
September 30, 2011, 10:28 PM
i've gotten tons of stuff from 'em. i did call and talk to someone and they told me the only way i could get it replaced was if i had bought the extended warranty, which of course i did NOT!! i honestly didn't think i would have any issues with it, oh well, that's life i guess.

jcwit
September 30, 2011, 10:41 PM
Just a tip, going to the store with other customers present is a whole different ball game than calling up on the phone. They sure don't want to come across as the bad guy in front of a group of customers.

How do I know? Experience, 60 years in the retail business.

giggitygiggity
September 30, 2011, 11:11 PM
I have the Cabelas Tumbler. It was a good price and it works great. I have tumbled tens of thousands of pieces of brass through it without any issues.

Hondo 60
October 1, 2011, 12:31 AM
I have a Lyman 1200 Turbo.
I've had it for just over 2 years & it's cleaned thousands of cases.

I like to go to the range 2x a week & usually shoot 3 or 4 boxes each time.
4 boxes = 200 x 2 per week = 400 x 52 weeks = 20,800 x 2 years = 41,600 cases cleaned

Even if I've taken a couple of weeks off, it's still a LOT of cases.

No problem so far.

Wrage
October 1, 2011, 02:15 AM
I have a Cabela's and an old tumbler from Midway - both work great, I don't see a difference in the job they do. I would highly recommend both.

hvychev77
October 1, 2011, 05:55 AM
@jcwit, you are so true with your previous post here, i wish that modern day stores had that mindset. It's absolutely so obvious that customer service is a thing of the past. i should have taken it back exactly like you said, but i had already put it in the trash after talking with 'em. Thanks for all the other replies guys. i've done a lot of reading online and everyone seems to really give the cableas tumbler high reviews. i'm leaning towards that one.........

bds
October 1, 2011, 12:36 PM
I have the Cabela's 400 tumbler (http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/Reloading/Tumblers-Scales|/pc/104792580/c/104761080/sc/104661180/Cabelas-Model-400-Case-Tumbler/731767.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse.cmd%3FN%3D1100197%26WTz_l%3DSBC%253BBRprd731769&WTz_l=SBC%3BBRprd731769%3Bcat104661180) (green) which is made by Berry's MFG. It is a great tumbler with good capacity (1000 9mm cases, 650 .38 cases, etc.).

If you want different color, they come in blue (http://www.sportsmanswarehouse.com/sportsmans/Berry%27s%20Mfg%20400%20Tumbler/productDetail/Tumblers%20&%20Media/prod9999001414/cat100144) and red (http://www.sinclairintl.com/.aspx/sid=69843/pid=36851/Product/Berry-s-Tumbler?utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=googlebase&mc_id=s8000&gdftrk=gdfV21820_a_7c291_a_7c3470_a_7c749006480_d_749006480_d_5606) also.

BTW, they normally go on sale for $49, but Cabela's got the kit on sale (http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/Reloading/Tumblers-Scales|/pc/104792580/c/104761080/sc/104661180/Cabelas-Model-400-Case-Tumbler-Kit/731769.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse.cmd%3FN%3D1100197%26WTz_l%3DSBC%253BBRprd731769&WTz_l=SBC%3BBRprd731769%3Bcat104661180) for $49 which includes the tumbler, media, polish and shifter.

http://images.cabelas.com/is/image/cabelas/s7_212869_999_01?rgn=0,0,2000,1324&scl=6.0181818181818185&fmt=jpeg&id=2FkP2ENY5I-fREOIpcosUn

slowr1der
October 1, 2011, 01:00 PM
I have the Lyman Pro 1200 tumbler and I don't know if it's the best as I've not tried the rest of them, but I can say that I'm satisfied with it. It works very well for me and has worked great for me. The top is kind of open. The top looks almost like the media separator in the picture above. It does let some dust out this way, but I've not found it to be too bad.


This being said if mine ever dies and I'm to do this again, I'd spend a little more up front and instead of getting a vibratory tumbler, I'd get a drum type and use SS media in it. IMO that's the way to go instead of a vibratory one.

hvychev77
October 1, 2011, 11:18 PM
well, i ended up ordering the kit from cableas today. i didn't figur e it was a bad deal for only fifty bones. not to say that later on i might step it up to a tumbler with stainless media. thanks for all the replies and advice guys........hvychev77

1SOW
October 1, 2011, 11:35 PM
Cabellas 400 works great for me.
Clear top, on-off switch, reasonable quiet, warranted at Cabellas for free exchange. (Mine was on sale at $3?:00 when I bought it :-))

I have approx. 18K 9mm cases in coffee containers and shoot about the same as HONDO-200+/week avg, ALL done with the Cabellas with zero problems.

ranger335v
October 1, 2011, 11:43 PM
" i might step it up to a tumbler with stainless media."

Some of us would say that's not so much a 'step up' as just a step sideways.

FROGO207
October 2, 2011, 10:05 AM
I stepped sideways and I am glad i did. It is more work than dropping them into a vibratory tumbler but the way I was doing it I save a couple steps processing on the press AND the brass comes out looking like it is brand new--primer pockets, inside, and all.:D Should have done it years ago.:banghead:

Kevin Rohrer
October 2, 2011, 12:47 PM
1. There is no "best" of anything.
2. You get what you pay for.
3. Take a look at Dillon's. You can't beat the warranty (life).

jcwit
October 2, 2011, 12:58 PM
2. You get what you pay for.

Not necessarly a factual statement. Many times extra value is involved. Have you never heard of someone getting more than they bargained for as in getting the Savage .22 that outshoots everyone elses whatever, or the car off the lot that gets 5 more miles per gal. than others of the same model.

Cost of a product is not a measure of quality. With that logic we should ONLY buy Dillion, Rolls Royces, Land Rovers, ect., ect., ect.

357Shooter
October 2, 2011, 01:01 PM
I think FROGO has the "Best" way to go!:D

jcwit
October 2, 2011, 01:08 PM
If I had it to do all over again I also believe in the SS media and rolling wet tumbler method.

But seeing as I'm all set up with a vib. unit and a huge bag of fine corncob media and limited time to use it all up because of age, well I think where this is going...............................

cfullgraf
October 2, 2011, 01:34 PM
Cost of a product is not a measure of quality.

Right, a measure of quality is how well a product meets specifications. High cost does not mean the product meets specifications.

Kevin R, read your Dillon warranty. Electrical/electronic stuff is only warranted for a year. The motor is the most likely component to fail in a tumbler.

cfullgraf
October 2, 2011, 01:43 PM
well, i ended up ordering the kit from cableas today. i didn't figur e it was a bad deal for only fifty bones. not to say that later on i might step it up to a tumbler with stainless media. thanks for all the replies and advice guys........hvychev77

I believe you will be happy with the choice, not that others would be adequately serviceable.

I have been happy with my Berry Mfg tumbler. I also have an early 1990s vintage Midway that is still going strong. The Midway broke a wire once and was easily repaired.

A Frankfort Arsenal tumbler i have failed after a few years. After several more repairs and failures, it has been retired as a backup. I will trash it when I retire the Midway from regular service.

But, hey, remember these are VIBRATING tumblers. Industry spends millions to remove vibration from their rotating equipment and here we have something that is designed to vibrate. Something will fail eventually. Hopefully not until many years of happy service.

Alan Robertson
October 2, 2011, 01:47 PM
One thing about tumbling: long term shooters/casters/re-loaders diagnosed with lead ailments have been found to have gotten their excess lead intake not so much from shooting or lead- casting, but from dry- tumbling and/or handling media in a poorly ventilated space. Primer compound contains lead and that fine lead dust in the media is the culprit that did 'em in.

I wet tumble with a Thumbler's using brass media cut from 1/16" and 1/8" brazing rods, purchased cheap at the local weldor's supply and then cut into 3/4" pieces. The media will never wear out and cost less than a bag of dry media.
Fill the tumbler about 1/3 way w/brass and media and cover just barely w/water with a small squirt of detergent and a teaspoon of cream of tartar (which gives dried cases a slick feeling.) Then, rinse and run them through a media separator before drying. Dry cases in winter in the oven at low temp (150F- helps warm the house) and in summer on an old table cloth, or the like.
This is a bit more work, but is faster and safer than using dry media; best to dry tumble outside and take care during the process to avoid breathing the dust.

Not sure about you, but having already significantly diminished my original stockpile of brain cells with various stunts and habits over the years; my aim now is to give the remaining few a break.

hvychev77
October 2, 2011, 02:49 PM
yeah, i did look at the dillon tumblers too, i'm sure they are top notch. however, i'm all about the warranty and reviews from other fellow reloaders. there's a terd in every batch, but if the majority of folks give good reviews on a product, i'll put value in their opinions and experience. anywho, it'll be here this week and i guess i'll keep others posted on my experience with it. thanks again guys........hvychev77

unknwn
October 2, 2011, 06:27 PM
I did a whole bunch of brass of various calibers and starting condition in a Lyman 1200 , and HATED every second of it.
The tumbler was 2nd hand me-down from my brother who used it extensively also. No problem with the machine, it was just a punishment having to deal with the dust and such. Never again.
If you insist on putting yourself through it, get some Kaytee walnut bedding at the pet store. It is much more effective for cleaning.
Then use up your corn cob with some polish afterwards. Corn cob removes case lube well also.
I bought a Thumler's and SSM and I have never been happier. Spotless, quiet, heathful.
If you've got to go the vibratory route, Lyman has been selling them longer than anyone, but do yourself (and your health) the favor and wet tumble/StainlessMedia and forget the aggravation.

jcwit
October 2, 2011, 07:07 PM
One thing about tumbling: long term shooters/casters/re-loaders diagnosed with lead ailments have been found to have gotten their excess lead intake not so much from shooting or lead- casting, but from dry- tumbling and/or handling media in a poorly ventilated space. Primer compound contains lead and that fine lead dust in the media is the culprit that did 'em in.

Give us links providing proof of the above statements.

I use a vib. tumbler with corn cob, have for years, in the past 10 years I have had my blood tested as often as 4 times a year to the present of twice a year. I've yet to have high numbers regarding heavy metals.

john16443
October 3, 2011, 02:00 AM
hvychev77, there's a FA tumbler available on Amazon for $36 including shipping.

http://www.amazon.com/Frankford-Arsenal-Quick-n-Ez-Case-Tumbler/dp/B001MYGLJC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1317617858&sr=8-1

Alan Robertson
October 3, 2011, 09:06 AM
Give us links providing proof of the above statements.

I use a vib. tumbler with corn cob, have for years, in the past 10 years I have had my blood tested as often as 4 times a year to the present of twice a year. I've yet to have high numbers regarding heavy metals.Hello jcwitt.
Glad to hear that you haven't had any lead issues using your tumbling methods, or from any other "shooting" sources.

Lots of people use/have used vibratory methods without issue.
I would have probably had a vibrating tumbler if my Thumler's 'B' hadn't been available at a give- away price.

Perhaps I should have said [Some] long term shooters... that was poorly worded.
Do I have any links? How about in this forum? Here's a thread that discusses lead hazards in general. You'll see plenty of references to lead from tumbling media: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=307170
Regards,
Alan

HK SD9 Tactical
October 3, 2011, 11:25 AM
+1 on the SS wet media. I also have a dry media RCBS vibratory. It maily sits on the shelf right now. SS is more work but I like the way the brass comes out and don't mind the extra steps involved. I also think that it helps minimizes my exposure.

Lead has a cummulative effect and the body does not filter out the element Pb. I know of several long term re-loaders that have increased lead deposits in their systems (my uncle being one of them) and they all say the same thing - "I never thought it would have happened to me, but I am sure it is because of reloading". Why take chances when you do not have to. It is inevitable that you will be exposed to some type of lead somewhere during the range/cleaning/re-loading process. Minimize it as much as possible. I recently met an older gentleman at the range I visit and he told me that his doctor wants him to stop all his firearm activities including re-loading due to the increased lead in his system that is causing a multitude of problems for him. He is very disappointed and has reluctantly agreed with his doctor. It was an eye opening conversation with him and I can't even relate to you the loss he feels of his life long hobby.

Media tumblers/vibratory tumblers do what they are supposed to do and if you are carefull you probably will never have any problems what-so-ever.

Just my .02 cents.

jcwit
October 3, 2011, 11:40 AM
Perhaps I should have said [Some] long term shooters... that was poorly worded.
Do I have any links? How about in this forum? Here's a thread that discusses lead hazards in general. You'll see plenty of references to lead from tumbling media: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=307170


I'm not going to go back and reread all of that link, if you peruse it carefully you will see where I've posted on it a few times.

To the best of my memory there is not one case that it is PROVEN BEYOND A DOUBT that shooting, reloading, casting, tumbling/polishing brass is the known cause of the high levels of lead. Its very easy to ask a person where they come into known contact with lead and conclude at once, Hey, there's the answer. Whos to say what the actual culprite is?

Put proof out there not supposition.

BTW where are you dumping all that contaminated liquid solution.

Alan Robertson
October 3, 2011, 01:47 PM
Hello jcwit,
There were at least 2 posts in that thread confirming this issue. Here's one from an individual:http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=7037097&postcount=188

That's an excellent question about proper disposal of the liquid...
I'd originally thought about dropping it off at the city's hazmat facility, but that's a big hassle, so came up with a very simple solution.
All waste water (including rinse water,) gets poured into a 5 gal. bucket in my garage. I made a hardware cloth top for it so no critter would fall in (might do some good against mice) and leave it uncovered so that the water can evaporate. That way, all the gunk stays concentrated in one place. It never has dried out completely or gotten more than about 1/2 full.
One of these days, the bucket might get filled with gunk and need proper hazmat disposal, but for now, it's good to go.
BTW, I marked the bucket with good info so that if any thing happens to me, those who would get rid of my stuff would be aware of the issue... it is highly concentrated and it wouldn't do to just dump in the sewer or back yard.

jcwit
October 3, 2011, 03:28 PM
Thats it!
Lead in primers, my Dr. Dr. Bones said the same thing after I got a high rating. It's not the casting, smelting, or reloading. It's the lead in primers. Go to a good indoor range with fans. And wash your hands. Also I get soap from Dillon Precision to remove heavy metals.

So this Dr. claims to know positively, absolutely beyond a shadow of a doubt the posters heavy metal counts are caused by tumbling brass in a vibratory tumbler and the dust it creates.

I would get a second opinion.

HK SD9 Tactical
October 3, 2011, 03:35 PM
....

BTW where are you dumping all that contaminated liquid solution.

Like the previous poster, I dump the contaminated water into a 5 gallon bucket and let 99% of the water evaporate. What is left is a small amount of waste that may be contaminated with lead. I usually transfer this waste to a smaller container being very careful while handling it. The waste can then gets sealed. Once the can is close to full (I also put my spent primers in this can) I bring it to the local dump that has a collection site for hazardous materials about every 6 weeks.

I also dispose of my used vibratory media through the collection site as well.

jcwit
October 3, 2011, 05:36 PM
Why throw the spent primers away? They are brass and worth money and easily recycled.

Actually I wish the SS wet tumbling method was widely known years ago, it how I would have went at the time but now I'm 68 and not about to acquire a whole new setup.

As far as disposing of said water, I seriously think I would dig a shallow hole and just dump it in. After all lead is no more than an element readily found in nature and a infinitesimal amound found in the tumbling waste is of no concern, no more so than the bullets in the berm is a concern. Of course this is just my opinion.

Jimfern
October 3, 2011, 05:48 PM
I have been happy with the Lyman Pro 1200 too. No experience with any others so far.

Searcher4851
October 4, 2011, 04:49 PM
For what it's worth, I've had a Thumlers Model B for somewhere around 31 years now, and it still works fine. Heck, I've even polished rocks with the kids in it many years ago. It just keeps going and going. Never replaced a single part on it. I think it was a fine investment.

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