[usmarine0352_2005]

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http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2011/10/01/minn-man-kills-self-in-his-car-after-losing-job/



Minn. Man Kills Self In His Car After Losing Job

October 1, 2011 2:19 PM



BURNSVILLE, Minn. (AP) — Burnsville police say a Northfield man who had just lost his job committed suicide in front of former colleagues by locking himself in his car and shooting himself in the head.

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[Jorg]

First off, apostrophes are used to indicate something is possessive not plural.

What exactly are you afraid they are going to do? Do you really think there are legions of anti's (sic) looking at this and thinking, "Wow, we need to ban guns in parking lots so disgruntled workers don't shoot themselves!"?

I find it truly bizarre that anyone would read that article and immediately be wonder if guns in parking lots being will be outlawed.

[usmarine0352_2005]

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Guns in cars in parking lots has been a recent battle in quite a few states.



Disgruntled, angry or upset iemployees having access to guns in their cars is one of the biggest points that people who are against guns in cars in parking lots point to.



This is perfect example of why they don't want employees to have guns in parking lots.

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[Freedom_fighter_in_IL]

Uhhhhhhh Jorg, have you, as of yet, ever seen ANYTHING from the anti crowd that a sane person could actually make sense of? I can honestly say that was NOT the first thing that came to my mind when reading the article BUT I really could see the anti crowd seeing it as a target. Take a look at all the other crap they use for fodder and think about your statement again.

[627PCFan]

Maybe if companies are truly worried about an employee going postal in the workplace they would let employees carry at work. IMO antis dont care about a gun toting citizen offing himself.

[usmarine0352_2005]

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Maybe if companies are truly worried about an employee going postal in the workplace they would let employees carry at work. IMO antis dont care about a gun toting citizen offing himself.




You know many antis say that easy accessibility and use of guns aids in many suicides.



According to them apparently if we didn't have guns we wouldn't have most suicides.



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[Jorg]

*sigh*

I give up. Go back to your regularly scheduled hand-wringing and moral superiority.

[thezoltar]

As far as I know killing yourself is against the law in most states. I don't think someone bent on suicide is going to care if they break two laws instead of one.

[Rail Driver]

You now, this whole "us vs. them" mentality is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Fighting amongst ourselves is certainly not helping matters.

Why don't we try to come up with some things we can do to avoid situations like this in the future? Maybe someone can post a youtube video about gun safety (and tie in a little "if you're depressed or upset, do not handle guns" public service message) or a video from gun owners denouncing the decision this particular person made, thus creating distance between the suicide victim and other gun owners.

[Skribs]

You now, this whole "us vs. them" mentality is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

It's "us vs. them" because antis label gun users as "them." In general, pros want everyone to have a choice to have a gun, while antis want nobody to have the choice. When it comes to antis, we have to defend our second amendment rights (which shouldn't need defending in the first place). That is where the "them" attitude comes from.

[orionengnr]

Last I heard, committing suicide was against the law (although I've never heard of a successfull prosecution/conviction).

Ergo, the individual in question was not a law-abiding citizen by definition.
Ergo, regardless of what the law may be, he would not have observed it.

[Zombiphobia]

I worked at a prison where we weren't allowed to have weapons in our cars on facility grounds, including the parking lot.

That may be a different issue, but still BS. I could understand why prison guards would be inclined to kill themselves though.


Edit: If someone wants to commit suicide, how would they be tried in court, assuming they fail, if it is illegal to off onesself?

And if someone wants to kill themselves, then who's to say they shuldn't be allowed? Maybe we could have suicide zoning regulations??

Example: An adult (18+) may be permitted to commit the act of suicide only in specifically designated areas with specifically approved tools or in their own home under LE supervision/aid as long as no child under the legal adult age is present to witness the act or clean-up.


Kidding aside. These kinds of laws are both sensical and a bit ridiculous IMHO.

[The Lone Haranguer]

Sure, someone might bring it up, blissfully ignorant of or unaware that someone bent on suicide isn't going to obey any laws. :rolleyes: The probability that it will gain any traction is very low. It is a lot harder to repeal an established law than it is to get a law enacted in the first place.

[camar]

I see the nanny state mentality popping its head up here. We should not automatically be placed on the defensive when someone descised to use their gun in an illegical manner.

We all have free choice and how we use it is an individual decision.

[AirForceShooter]

Hey somebody that did it right.
He did himself first thinking he could go in and get his enemies afterward.

AFS

[sig220mw]

What freedom fighter said!

[1911Tuner]

You know many antis say that easy accessibility and use of guns aids in many suicides. According to them apparently if we didn't have guns we wouldn't have most suicides.

A small percentage of suicides are accomplished in the heat of the moment, and without immediate access to a gun, may not occur...but I'm pretty well convinced that if somebody is predisposed to off themselves over a situation gone sideways, they'll eventually get around to it. What's the old saying about hammers and nails?

For the vast majority of suicides, the idea doesn't just come like a thunderbolt. It's something that they've either been planning for a while...maybe years...or something that they've come close to on a number of occasions for one reason or another. If these people are determined to die, the lack of a gun won't stop'em.

[CajunBass]

"Anti" will use anything they can, and make up what they can't.

[beatledog7]

Last I heard, committing suicide was against the law (although I've never heard of a successfull prosecution/conviction).

Ergo, the individual in question was not a law-abiding citizen by definition.
Ergo, regardless of what the law may be, he would not have observed it.

orionengnr, your logic is flawed. It simply does not follow that if person A chooses to break law X he has no regard for any other laws.

Do you drive faster than the speed limit, ever? Or make a "rolling stop" at a stop sign? Dump something harmful down a drain or toilet?

People are naturally devoted to their self interests; they obey or break laws selectively, depending on dozens of factors, usually breaking them when they either think they won't get caught or don't fear the consequences of being caught. That's just the cold fact.

We do ourselves no service by claiming that a lawbreaker is a lawbreaker and leaving it at that. To do this makes us all lawbreakers, equally.

[EddieNFL]

First off, apostrophes are used to indicate something is possessive not plural.

What exactly are you afraid they are going to do? Do you really think there are legions of anti's (sic) looking at this and thinking, "Wow, we need to ban guns in parking lots so disgruntled workers don't shoot themselves!"?

I find it truly bizarre that anyone would read that article and immediately be wonder if guns in parking lots being will be outlawed.

I don't think I would be so quick to criticize punctuation.

[EddieNFL]

If these people are determined to die, the lack of a gun won't stop'em.

And without a simple, effective way to do so, may just take someone with them.

[RX-178]

The worry in this case, doesn't come from someone committing suicide in a car.

It comes from the TIMING of this incident making headlines.

The TX law prohibiting employers from forbidding firearms from workplace parking lots has only recently gone into effect. The antis are looking for their usual 'blood will run in the streets' effect of pro-gun laws being enacted, so it would be naive to think they WOULDN'T immediately try to tie the two together.

[Art Eatman]

Historical bottom line: The anti-gun crowd has ALWAYS been quite willing to call for more restrictions whenever there has been any sort of rather unusual misuse of a firearm.

Let's wait until they raise a hue and cry over this event, as to further discussion.