.223 Bolt Action w/ the Following:


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Skunkabilly
January 27, 2004, 05:29 PM
Is there a .223 with the following:

6.5 lbs or lighter
Can be top-loaded (detachable magazine or not)
Iron sights
20" barrel or shorter
$600 or less.

The Remington 700 ADL is sounding good but they don't make it in .223. Other than saying 'tactical' why is the LTR so much more, because it has a fluted barrel? Can it be had with irons?

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Kestryll
January 27, 2004, 05:45 PM
Check out the Ruger M77 Mark II series, either the compact or the lightwieght should fit your criteria.
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/P-CategoryRiflesCBA.html

My mistake, only the International model has iron sights.

jacketch
January 27, 2004, 06:04 PM
Mr. Skunkabilly,
Have you looked at the 527 series CZ rifles?
CZ Firearms (http://www.cz-usa.com/product.detail.php?id=15)

Kestryll
January 27, 2004, 06:23 PM
Don't do it!! Don't look at the CZ 527 series!
Don't be lured in by thier svelte styling, nice triggers and european good looks!!
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Oh goodness I want a 527 Kevlar varmint rifle SOOooo bad!!...

ocabj
January 27, 2004, 06:24 PM
The Remington 700 ADL is sounding good but they don't make it in .223. Other than saying 'tactical' why is the LTR so much more, because it has a fluted barrel? Can it be had with irons?

The 700P/LTR come with kevlar and fiberglass stocks made by, iirc, HS Precision. I don't think you can put irons on them without silver soldering a front one on the barrel. Someone will have to verify that one.

What are you planning on doing with it?

The CZ is a good choice, but the Remington 700 will net you some more money if you decide to sell it, since the 700 action is very popular.

Bruce H
January 27, 2004, 07:00 PM
Give the following a look. http://www.savagearms.com/11g.htm Might give the youth model al look if stock length is important.

dakotasin
January 27, 2004, 07:43 PM
rem model 7 youth.

Steve Smith
January 27, 2004, 08:29 PM
Skunk! I can't believe you're saying the words "iron sights!" Wow!

Ok, what KIND of irons do you want? This is important. Do you want something that is like an open leaf type, a rugged but somewhat coarse rear sight and a post, or do you want target sights? A lot of the questions that other's posts have brought up can be answered if you answer this question.


Also, did you want a hunter style stock or a comp stock?

Onslaught
January 27, 2004, 10:24 PM
Since I have a pretty good idea of your "taste" in firearms, I'm gonna have to second the Savage... But in a different flavor... (plastic :) )

Savage 11F (http://www.savagearms.com/11f.htm)
6.5#
22" barrel (easily and inexpensively shortened)
free-floating and button-rifled barrel,
top loading internal box magazine,
open sights.

Comes with the excellent AccuTrigger.

Suggested RETAIL is only $473!

Unfortunately, the detachable mag version, the 11FC, isn't available in .223. I know you said you didn't care, but it's always nice.

If you don't like the sights, Ashley Outdoors makes the ghost ring set specifically for the Savage.

mark mcj
January 27, 2004, 10:37 PM
Without posting a purpose for the firearm, it's tough to get a good idea going. I think you might be looking for a rifle to practice with.

"""""""""""""""""""""IF""""""""""""""""""""""""" that's the idea, I have to ask if you have a .22 rimfire?

If you have the time 3 or 4 days a week and about 45 minutes for each day, you could really elevate your skill level.

I would suggest a larger caliber in a small, light weight rifle with open sights. To me, that suggest a close in rifle or over big hills and other stuff that leaves one sucking air and wanting a lighter rifle. Not to many critters I would chase in those situations with a .223.

Give us some info Skunk!!!!!!!!!:)

Brian Williams
January 27, 2004, 10:54 PM
If these ever get imported they will be hot stuff for a build it yourself
http://www.charlesdaly.com/HTML/products/firearms/rifles/barreledActions/mauserBarreled.asp

http://www.charlesdaly.com/images/firearms/rifles/Actions/BarreledMiniBlueC2R2.gif
http://www.charlesdaly.com/images/firearms/rifles/actions/large/MiniMauserBarreledActionBlue.jpg

Mini-Mauser Action, White .222 Rem to .223 Rem .386" $319.00
Mini-Mauser Action, Stainless Steel .222 Rem to .223 Rem .386" $369.00
Mini-Mauser Barreled Action, Hi-Polish Blue .223 Rem 20" $399.00
Mini-Mauser Barreled Action, Matte Stainless Steel .223 Rem 20" $449.00
http://www.charlesdaly.com/images/firearms/rifles/actions/large/MiniActionOnly.jpg

duckfoot
January 27, 2004, 10:58 PM
Without knowing the job it's hard to recommend a tool for it.

But for general purpose rifle the CZ carbine is hard to beat

WYO
January 27, 2004, 11:31 PM
What dakotasin said. Unless the price went up recently, Wally World used to stock the Remington Model 7 youth for about $450. If the length of pull is too short, you could add a longer recoil pad at nominal cost and still come in under budget.

RubEric
January 28, 2004, 01:31 AM
CZ 527 !!!!!.

Also See http://pub105.ezboard.com/bczechpistols82792 for the CZ message board.

I have three CZ's in .223, K Hornet and .17 hmr (this is a CZ 452) and they are wonderful.

Andrew Wyatt
January 28, 2004, 02:14 AM
You can wait for the lawrence ordinance .223 lee enfield to come out.

Skunkabilly
January 28, 2004, 11:50 AM
Steve Smith, I'll probably put my Trijicon 1.25-4x hunting scope on it simply becuase that's what I already have. The irons will merely be a backup if the scope goes TU.

As for the purpose, a general purpose rifle with cheap ammo, similar to whatever role a lever-action is supposed to fill. I shoot other people's scoped .223s better than I shot my own .30s. Probably because I'm a wuss.

Iain
January 28, 2004, 12:56 PM
Not a bolt-action but - not interested in an SU-16?

Kestryll
January 28, 2004, 01:04 PM
You can wait for the lawrence ordinance .223 lee enfield to come out.

Okay, now you've got my curiosity up.
Any info on these? I've never hear of them but I've wanted an Enfield action for quite awhile.

Snorkel Bob
January 28, 2004, 01:18 PM
Not sure why you dont think that Remington does not make a 700 ADL in 223. My buddy has one. Its synthetic but still shoots pretty damn good. Factory states its weight at 7and a quarter pounds, so they may be heavier than what you want.

Skunkabilly
January 28, 2004, 03:38 PM
http://www.remington.com/firearms/youth/700adlsynyth.htm

Oops, I meant the Synthetic Youth. It's 6.75 lbs with the .243 and has a shorter LOP, iron sights, 4 rd capacity, and it's black for extra tacticality.

Steve Smith
January 28, 2004, 07:58 PM
Then in that case, the CZs and Rem ADLs are a good choice. If purchased with a wood stock, you can cut the stock down to fit you well. Make sure the sights are rugged sights, and will still give you some good accruacy. Something like the 1903 apertures would be great.

Frohickey
January 28, 2004, 08:08 PM
I seem to remember seeing a Rem 700 in 308 set up for a match with stripper clip guides. Might be something that could be done to a Rem 700 in 223, though, I doubt you can fit 10 in magazine.

Steve Smith
January 28, 2004, 08:22 PM
Frohickey, they're usually built to hold 5 rounds. Quick reloads though!

Andrew Wyatt
January 28, 2004, 08:54 PM
Perhaps a remington 700 adl/bdl in .223 with an extended fixed magazine, stripper clip guide, and williams reciever sights would be the hot ticket.

Frohickey
January 28, 2004, 09:06 PM
Quick reloads? Huh?

Yeah, stripper clips would make for reloading a bolt-action faster, but most stripper clips for 223 are the 10 round variety, with the stupid brass tab that usually breaks off, instead of the spring steel in the body of the stripper clip.

I think the 5 round limit is because of hunting laws that limit amount of rounds in a gun.

Steve Smith
January 28, 2004, 09:17 PM
I know a certain person who has several adapters (look like they're from a SAW) that adapts a stock to an AR-15 magazine. Wouldn't it be nice to mate that to a good bolt gun action?

He has them for sale.

Fro...yeah, man, fast fast fast! You can alter those strippers, or make do with buying them occasionally. Personally I like the idea of adapting one to take AR mags.

Hmm...might have to buy one of those adapters.

Onslaught
January 28, 2004, 11:15 PM
Come on fellas, this is SKUNKABILLY we're talking about here... We all knew what he wanted it for... And what's with all the WOOD STOCK SUGGESTIONS? :confused:

Skunk will take any color, as long as it's Tactical Black!

:D

Skunkabilly
January 29, 2004, 10:59 AM
1. How are the ADL sights--I have yet to get a good look at one. They will be for backup to the scope.

2. About this stripper clip talk, wouldn't a scope preclude their use, unless it is set up as a scout? How difficult is it to set up an ADL or LTR as a scout anyhow?

Andrew Wyatt
January 29, 2004, 01:52 PM
The adl sights are, quite frankly, crap. (like most sporter sights.) they don't seem to get in the way of a scope, though. I'm leery about only having four rounds on tap, though.

Frohickey
January 29, 2004, 03:03 PM
Well, your original spec called out for top-load ability, and iron sights.

Iron sights on a Rem 700 is not as good, you lose the sight radius, because the rear sight ends up being in front of the scope, much like the sights on rifled shotgun barrels. One of the contributors to accuracy of the M1A is the long sight radius.

Detachable magazines end up not being as reliable, from what I have read.

As to tactical black, there are ways of getting that. Personally, I like the Hogue rubber overmold stocks with the full length aluminum bed. Sticks to your hand, and its black. :D

Stripper clip guide, more like a cutout, would not preclude scope mounting, but using the stripper clip would mean that you don't have the scope mounted.

I think this (http://www.sigarms.com/products/blaser-lrs2.asp) is what Skunky should get. :D

Ian
January 29, 2004, 04:41 PM
Regarding .223 strippers, look for Canadian issue ones. They're black plastic and are MUCH easier to use than US metal ones. They have little nubs at each end that keep rounds in but don't make stripping difficult of break off. The Canadians also issue loading guides that cover the whole clip, rather than the little US adapter bits. I've been using them with my Daewoo for some time, and they're great.

Skunkabilly
January 30, 2004, 03:04 AM
Can those R93s top-load?

artherd
January 30, 2004, 03:52 AM
Sean- that's scary, check out this thread I just started right before I read your post.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=62264

Sactown
January 30, 2004, 04:06 AM
http://www.mcmillanrifles.com/TUBB2000T.jpg

Tubb2000 available with irons.

http://www.mcmillanrifles.com/T2000C-SIGHT.jpg

Steve Smith
January 30, 2004, 09:08 AM
I have been informed of a company making quality, reusable, .223 strippers.

pwrtool45
January 30, 2004, 11:42 AM
Friend of mine has a CZ rifle. His is a .22 rimfire, but the quality is better than anything I've seen from a new rifle in quite some time. If I ever get around to purchasing another non-milsurp turnbolt, it will be a CZ. Not too big a fan of their pistols (though it seems like a bunch are), but their rifles are tops. Other CZ rifle owners seem to agree.

The CZ 527 FS beats your weight requirement by half a pound (only weighs 6), has a 5-round detachable magazine and has (by all indications) *good* iron sights. Mannlicher wood stock, but hey, a little class will do you good. ;)

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